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There's so much more to it than that. But if you prefer to look at people through the lens of what they are doing in bed, then that's how you see other people.

It's called "Pride" (flags, parades, month, etc.), and not "Who People Sleep With" for a reason.
I've seen pride parades. If there's more to homosexuality than that, maybe people should depict it better. I can tell you this, I don't have straight pride because my sexuality doesn't define me. Sexuality is the delimiting factor between gay vs straight and all of the things you mentioned really only have to do with that.

That said, I do recall older pride being more about love and being a lot more inclusive. More recently, it's just seemed to be about debauchery.
 
Hi zync, did you mean to quote someone else? I never labeled Florida in that way and I certainly didn't call anyone a fascist.
I mainly meant to tag on and agree with you, and then I ended up branching out and including more generalized statements. Sorry about that!

UK, finished secondary school in 2008, zero out gay/trans people in my graduating cohort but I know of about a dozen people (me included!) who came out during the following decade.

The environment is a lot safer and more permissive now and it's not because people just kinda passively and organically got better. Things changed because activists kept doing the work in spite of tedious losers telling us that we were being Hysterical or Too Sensitive or that Things Are Already Fine You Don't Need To Keep Doing This.

The fact that these conversations continue to happen at all proves that we still got a long way to go.

If you willing to listen, I can give you some insight. These conversations are NEW conversations. People like me aren't the people you fought against to get your rights. Hell, I even have one of the previous year's bands because I thought it looked cool. In 2008, as a Libertarian, I voted for Obama. I was happy that gay marriage passed. And I thought, "excellent, now we can just come together and just be!" But people kept pushing and pushing further because it wasn't just about acceptance or tolerance. Now it's about forcing others to agree with whatever wind is blowing and most of us are just tired of it. A lot of the LGBTQ+ community is even tired of it. They're pretty vocal about it. The more I see now, the more it just annoys me. I'm tired of hearing about immutable characteristics as the measurement of people's worth. Pressing on is not doing you a service. It's like if you won the NBA championship and all you did from then on was rub the victory in people's face. We were rooting for you. Now? Nah. Your sexuality doesn't make you special. It's not something you chose to do. Isn't the fact that I'm telling you this proof enough that you've won? You fought for homosexuality to be normal, and I'm sitting here telling you it's so normal I don't think you're special for being gay. You've won.

But now, it is a different conversation. We're telling you you've gone too far. That is the conversation most conservatives are trying to have. We don't want to shut you out of society. We don't want to get rid of you. We just want to stop talking about sexuality, race, and even politics, in every aspect of our lives.

Anyway, I'm out. Have a good evening people. Maybe think about what I've said. Maybe think I'm some bigot. Who cares. All I'm saying is, you accomplished what you set out to do. And the 5 people who actually do hate you are vastly outnumbered and don't matter. You don't need to keep up the crusade.
 
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I mainly meant to tag on and agree with you, and then I ended up branching out and including more generalized statements. Sorry about that!



If you willing to listen, I can give you some insight. These conversations are NEW conversations. People like me aren't the people you fought against to get your rights. Hell, I even have one of the previous year's bands because I thought it looked cool. In 2008, as a Libertarian, I voted for Obama. I was happy that gay marriage passed. And I thought, "excellent, now we can just come together and just be!" But people kept pushing and pushing further because it wasn't just about acceptance or tolerance. Now it's about forcing others to agree with whatever wind is blowing and most of us are just tired of it. A lot of the LGBTQ+ community is even tired of it. They're pretty vocal about it. The more I see now, the more it just annoys me. I'm tired of hearing about immutable characteristics as the measurement of people's worth. Pressing on is not doing you a service. It's like if you won the NBA championship and all you did from then on was rub the victory in people's face. We were rooting for you. Now? Nah. Your sexuality doesn't make you special. It's not something you chose to do. Isn't the fact that I'm telling you this proof enough that you've won? You fought for homosexuality to be normal, and I'm sitting here telling you it's so normal I don't think you're special for being gay. You've won.

But now, it is a different conversation. We're telling you you've gone too far. That is the conversation most conservatives are trying to have. We don't want to shut you out of society. We don't want to get rid of you. We just want to stop talking about sexuality, race, and even politics, in every aspect of our lives.

Anyway, I'm out. Have a good evening people. Maybe think about what I've said. Maybe think I'm some bigot. Who cares. All I'm saying is, you accomplished what you set out to do. And the 5 people who actually do hate you are vastly outnumbered and don't matter. You don't need to keep up the crusade.
Nah dude you people were saying the exact same stuff about how you're a Very Good Ally but unfortunately the gays just got too uppity and crazy for you 15 years ago. It's very boring!
 
That’s a nonsense, unreliable, misleading source.

Being gay or lesbian is nothing to do with being same gender attached. It’s same sex attraction. The clue is in the term homosexual.

The gender activists decided to redefine it for us to suit their agenda.
That's a false clue. Some gay people are only attracted to others with the same chromosomes as they have (or the same equipment). But generally, attraction happens before you see what's under the clothes and you may never see the other person's chromosomes! If you're attracted to femininity, you may find yourself falling for a trans woman. If you're attracted to masculinity, a trans man might attract you.
 
That's a false clue. Some gay people are only attracted to others with the same chromosomes as they have (or the same equipment). But generally, attraction happens before you see what's under the clothes and you may never see the other person's chromosomes! If you're attracted to femininity, you may find yourself falling for a trans woman. If you're attracted to masculinity, a trans man might attract you.
Incredible how these people happily flip-flop between We Can Always Tell and We Need To Ban Trans Healthcare Because Otherwise We Won't Be Able To Tell depending on the needs of the conversation
 
What’s wrong with having “every little subset” be included and have their own elements?

Because it’s subtraction through addition. The beauty of the original design was that everyone already understood that it was the flag for the entire queer spectrum and that every one of those subgroups were included in the greater whole. As the spectrum of gender and sexuality expanded, you didn’t need new elements for bi, or genderfluid people, you already knew they belonged. All the colors of the rainbow, there from the very beginning.
 
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Because it’s subtraction through addition. The beauty of the original design was that everyone already understood that it was the flag for the entire queer spectrum and that every one of those subgroups were included in the greater whole. As the spectrum of gender and sexuality expanded, you didn’t need new elements for bi, or genderfluid people, you already knew they belonged. All the colors of the rainbow, there from the very beginning.

Does it really matter if they mix it up every year?

I just feel like we are blowing this way out of proportion.
 
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I've seen pride parades. If there's more to homosexuality than that, maybe people should depict it better. I can tell you this, I don't have straight pride because my sexuality doesn't define me. Sexuality is the delimiting factor between gay vs straight and all of the things you mentioned really only have to do with that.

That said, I do recall older pride being more about love and being a lot more inclusive. More recently, it's just seemed to be about debauchery.
"all the things I've mentioned?" You seem to have me confused with someone else or someone else's comments. Unless you think pride parades, pride flags and pride month are about sex, well then that's on you.

As for the rest, people often see what they want to see. I go to Pride parades every year. The loudest cheers - without fail - are for PFLAG. A bunch of (generally) older, (generally) straight parents who love their kids unconditionally. Also of course there are the cops, sheriff's deputies, firefighters, religious organizations, almost every politician who wants to be re-elected, local businesses big and small, schools, neighborhood groups, nightclubs, bookstores, banks, marching bands, ethnic dance and music clubs, civic groups that deliver food to seniors (gay and straight), and on and on and on. I don't claim to know what Pride parades are like where you live, but here they are incredibly inclusive and family friendly. I don't see the "debauchery" you mentioned. At all.

The parade here is the largest single-day civic event in the region, attracting around 250,000 - 300,000. If it were all about "debauchery," there's no way that many people would be there.

So if you're speaking accurately about the Pride parades you've been to, that's too bad. Sounds like a terrible parade. If you're speaking about parades you haven't been to but you've seen edited clips on television, well that's a bad source of information, and the people who should "depict it better" aren't the people at the parade. It's the people with an axe to grind, who have a vested interest in making the LGBTQ community look bad. Perhaps for political power or ratings?
 
The reality is, the reason why many in the LGBTQIA community are out, loud and proud is because this sentiment of "shut up about it" you hold led them to suffer in silence and be treated horribly by the hetero majority, sometimes to the point of suicide.

Nobody has ever been hostile or violent to you for kissing your heterosexual wife/girlfriend in public. Gay people born before about 2000 cannot always say the same.

Conservatives have this nasty little trait where if something hasn't happened to them yet, they cannot empathize. "Oh I started caring about the LGBTQ community when my son/daughter came out -- not before then." It's a character defect worth working on.
I see where you’re coming from but I understand his sentiment. Our daughter who’s 10 is starting high school in the UK this year. We went to the schools open house to be greeted by a big transgender flag in the lobby.

My opinion is we don’t have to be waving flags to be kind and decent people and because the flags are on every street corner or comparably entrance it does become a bit forced. And for my situation I just want my kid to be a kid for as long as possible and the schools jumping on it at a young age I find very disappointing.

I agree with both your opinions and I think we need more middle ground on it all now
 
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It's trying to be as inclusive as possible


I’m cognizant of that, I’m merely saying that the acronym is so long it became susceptible to ridicule. Frankly IMO it became as ridiculous as “LatinX”. And look, I’m down for all of these causes… but we gotta keep the acronyms short. That’s all.
 
I see where you’re coming from but I understand his sentiment. Our daughter who’s 10 is starting high school in the UK this year. We went to the schools open house to be greeted by a big transgender flag in the lobby.

My opinion is we don’t have to be waving flags to be kind and decent people and because the flags are on every street corner or comparably entrance it does become a bit forced. And for my situation I just want my kid to be a kid for as long as possible and the schools jumping on it at a young age I find very disappointing.

I agree with both your opinions and I think we need more middle ground on it all now
I knew I was a lesbian when I was 9 and I was no less of a child for it
 
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It seems the US will soon be joining column B. These companies never cared, it’s like the Aperture Science pride month parody video says. “Congratulations homosexuals! Your existence has been deemed profitable in the following regions…”
 
Wish they would stop shoving this stuff down our throat. The social engineering has jumped the shark in modern society. Stick to building devices. Nobody cares about your support of "the new thing" or old in this case..... nobody cares what your preferences are.
You need to actually experience having something shoved down your throat, maybe take a trip to North Korea to learn reality. Nobody is forcing you to look, read, or comment. hate gotta hate
 
Which specific regressive administration? There's plenty of countries sadly are like that, worse some chuck you off a roof.
There are preachers in USA pushing that type of violence against those they hate. And the crowd roars. Videos easy to find.
 
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I don't envision there being an overturning of Obergfell with the current courts makeup. I think it's with the states, where it belongs.
I never called for it to become a state issue and I fully support gay marriage, explaining my constitutional reasons why, earlier in the discussion.
1. "I think it's with the states, where it belongs."
2. "I never called for it to become a state issue"

I didn't equate one to the other, I provided two examples where the previous administration violated the US Constitution.
You party people and your spinning and cherry picking blows me away. Trump unconstitutional! BAAAAD! Biden unconstitutional! Well, it's nuanced, and this, and that. Give.Me.A.Break.
1. "I didn't equate one to the other"
2. If you don't equate one to the other. "Give.Me.A.Break."

I've supported the gay community for years and backed their rights openly, in this very discussion and I'm getting hostility. It makes no sense.
As they should be. DEI is toxic, it is societal poison, and damaging in countless ways.
1. "I've supported the gay community for years"
2. Diversity, equity, and inclusion is "toxic"

Is it really strange that people disagree with you when you frequently disagree with yourself? :)
 
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Oh do let us know why then. I mean a MONTH? This group needs 8% of a year?? for what?????? Was there some holocaust like event that occurred in history we should all know about? Absolute insanity.
It is not just one month a year.

February – LGBT History Month (UK, Canada)​

  • Celebrates the history and contributions of LGBT+ individuals.

March

  • International Transgender Day of Visibility (March 31)

April

  • Day of Silence (U.S., mid-April): Students take a vow of silence to protest the silencing of LGBT+ people.

May

  • International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia, and Transphobia (May 17)

June​

Pride Month

August

  • Amsterdam Pride, Copenhagen Pride, and other international Pride events.

September

  • Bi Visibility Day (September 23)

October

  • LGBT History Month (U.S.)
  • National Coming Out Day (October 11)
  • Asexual Awareness Week (late October)

November

  • Transgender Awareness Week (2nd week)
  • Transgender Day of Remembrance (November 20)
 
You need to actually experience having something shoved down your throat, maybe take a trip to North Korea to learn reality. Nobody is forcing you to look, read, or comment. hate gotta hate
LOL! Imagine saying this to someone while accusing them of hate! 😂
 
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