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Sure. I mean, without any proof I guess you can go ahead and believe anything you want.

You might want to get spun up on Goldman Sacs history over the last decade and a half. The easiest way to know if a GS executive is lying - is his lips moving.
 
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Given that the physical card has no provision for a signature, I wonder if the card will feature PIN -- and, notably, offline pin -- authentication for the cases where Apple Pay cannot be used, *and* whether that will function properly everywhere. I have a true chip-and-pin -- i.e. PIN priority -- card and at one retail establishment -- Nordstrom -- their point-of-sale system would not accept it. It would fail with "transaction could not be completed". I called my bank and they confirmed the transaction doesn't even make an appearance there; i.e. it is failing at the store. And, believe it or not, on one occasion when I attempted to use the card at Nordstrom, their point-of-sale system actually *rebooted*. Really.

I highly doubt it. I mean, by MC rules it needs to support PIN for purchases, but it will likely be last on the card's CVM list--ensuring that it's never asked for in the US (and almost never in the rest of the world if you end up running into one of the few merchants still not supporting NFC). There might not even be a specific PIN set/change feature in Wallet, requiring a call to GS to set the "cash advance" PIN.

However, I've been wrong on stuff before so we'll see.

Americans are not as terrified of something new as people in other countries such as Mexico.

Eh, I'm not sure I'd go that far. RFID blocking devices/wallets do brisk sales despite contactless cards being uncommon, after all.

That’s exactly the problem they’re too US centered. They should have started the process to get regulatory approval for ECG in a few other countries at the same time when they started it in the US. Then those other countries would be closer to getting the ECG app by now. They didn’t and now those users will have to wait much longer.

As someone who works in the medical device industry, there is actually a way to get approval for a particular device in one market and have it apply to others with little additional effort. I don't know if it applies to what Apple's working on though.
 
It's a no-fee 2% cash back card. There aren't that many of them out there. This makes sense even if only as a secondary card. It gives me a better rate of return than my fee based Southwest and Chase cards, and adds Mastercard to my currently Visa only wallet, so I'm open to it.
I do not think either of the two cards that I mentioned has annual fee.
 
In theory, it’s interesting but I’ll pass.

If they were offering 5 or more percent back on Apple purchases...maybe, but my credit card offers more and that money will go toward paying off the iMac and iPad Mini.
 
None of the cards in wallet, today anyhow, show the card number. Its just the last 4. When she mentioned the CVV she said look in the app. If they show the full number this will be different than in the past.
None of the cards we manually add to Apple Pay show the card number and CVV because we have that information on the plastic card, but the Apple Card is different since it originates in the wallet app. That's why the card information for that one does have to be displayed in the app (the physical card seems to be optional and it still won't have anything engraved on it except for the apple and Mastercard logos). This was clearly stated in the keynote presentation.
 
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The whole idea of cashback is a joke, vendors/sellers just add that to their prices, so you gain absolutely nothing.

Apple Card, meh, for what, same goes for ApplePay, here in Europe there's really little need for it since we had easy payment systems for years, if not decades.
 
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Discover only has 5% on certain categories at certain times of the year, and it's not automatic (you must activate the category). And I don't think I've seen them ever have Apple stores in a category.
Apple store is there (according to this article) but some products (newest phones?) are excepted. Phones are available on Amazon though.
 
In the US and maybe a few other countries they don't even look at the card, but there are still many countries where some of the merchants may request an official ID along with the payment card and check the names on both before processing the payment in an attempt to prevent the use of a stolen card. Happens in Mexico and most of Latin America.

I never really understood, with all of the credit card fraud that happens these days, why a pin of some sort isn’t required for all credit card transactions. It’s not fool proof, but a simple 4 digit pin would cut it down drastically. Right now, if I drop my wallet there is nothing stopping anyone from picking up my cards and easily racking up purchases until I report it lost/stolen. But if there was a personal pin required none of those purchases could happen. It just seems so simple. Some gas stations in the US require the billing zip code after u swipe and I’m sure it helps. But even that is stupid because u can possibly narrow zip codes down to the area u found the card and possibly guess it. And if ur gonna go that far, why not just require a freaking pin #. I don’t get it. I just don’t get it.
 
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I wish something like this would come to Hungary sometime in the next 20 years or so. Though I doubt it. Currently every bank account has a monthly fee, a yearly fee, a transaction fee and percentage for every single damn transaction, and of course a fee for cash withdrawals. Oh and bank transfers take at least 2 hours but can take up to two days. So it's good old paper cash for another decade or two I guess!
I've learned to not expect to see ANY new apple features outside the US, UK, Canada, Australia, China, Japan and Western Europe anytime soon. It is extremely rare, if not impossible, for Apple to roll out a new feature outside those regions in less than 3-5 years. If they even plan to roll out outside those regions, that is, which I seriously doubt.
 
I never really understood, with all of the credit card fraud that happens these days, why a pin of some sort isn’t required for all credit card transactions. It’s not fool proof, but a simple 4 digit pin would cut it down drastically. Right now, if I drop my wallet there is nothing stopping anyone from picking up my cards and easily racking up purchases until I report it lost/stolen. But if there was a personal pin required none of those purchases could happen. It just seems so simple. Some gas stations in the US require the billing zip code after u swipe and I’m sure it helps. But even that is stupid because u can possibly narrow zip codes down to the area u found the card and possibly guess it. And if ur gonna go that far, why not just require a freaking pin #. I don’t get it. I just don’t get it.
Exactly. I’ve been looking for a true chip and PIN card in the US, but haven’t found one yet.
 
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Will places accept a card with no numbers or signature? I doubt it
This should not be a problem
It's gonna really suck when the internet is down and places need to manually take down CC info.

YAY FUTURE!
When has that ever happened? Sure, payment processing systems have crashed or have slowed down at retailers in the past however, it would only be an issue if Amex, Mastercard, Visa, Discover were unable to process the transactions. Those systems do not use the internet to talk to each other. The use systems such a Plus, Most, Accel, CU 24 and Co-Op to name a few.
 
Oh please. You have no idea what Steve would / wouldn’t do.

People change. Things change. They probably thought a cell phone was a weird idea too at 1 point.
I know what you're saying but seeing Apple quickly push out all of the new hardware last week to focus on their non-existent TV services is a joke. It shows where their priorities lie. They're too big now.
 
That's in the US but not necessarily elsewhere. Here in Mexico, for example, we still hand the card to the cashier at many places, and due to the high card fraud rates some of them even request an official ID along with the payment card and check the information on both. Those cashiers would certainly reject a chip card with no account information on it. I mention this because Apple claimed worldwide acceptance of the card, and while their statement is undoubtedly true Americans traveling here in Mexico would have better luck using their iPhone or Apple Watch to pay with the Apple Card than using the physical titanium card with no account information engraved on it.
Well, can't speak for Mexico but the whole point of having a Chip & Pin card is that you know the code unlike a signature which can be faked.
 
Will applying to the Apple Card affect your credit score? They didn't mention it.
I'd assume it would be a hard inquiry just like applying for any other credit card.
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Variable APRs range from 13.24% to 24.24% based on creditworthiness. Apple left that out.
Since they established it was a credit card, I don't think they needed to go into details about the rates at the event. You can always find that in the fine print. When applying for the apple card, you would be able to see this info then, just like when applying for any other credit card.
 
The whole idea of cashback is a joke, vendors/sellers just add that to their prices, so you gain absolutely nothing.
You're not wrong. But now that it's established, you're basically paying for other people's cashback without getting anything in return if you don't participate. Paying by credit card also has a number of other advantages as long as you use it responsibly (i.e. pay it back in full every month so you never pay the inflated interest rates).

A 2% card without annual fee and foreign transaction fees is actually quite competitive, but only getting the 2% for Apple Pay transactions is a serious drawback. Apart from that the "features" didn't seem all that different from any other card, just nicely packaged in the Wallet app.
 
I'm an American who exclusively uses credit cards. I don't pay fees; instead I get paid to use my cards through rewards. Balances are always paid in full every month unless I'm on a 0% APR promo. I buy what I can afford but use a credit card for the rewards, extended warranties, and purchase protection.
yes yes. You are "minor minority" judging by the state of debt of US households. And that is fuelled by banks and banks only. In Europe there is many banks that gives you cash back on debit as well as all the tools that they presented today in your app.
Also it takes 2 seconds to split accounts and set up limits so no fraud will hit your account. And my cards in the app change the numbers after every use.
 
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