Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

[hushw]

If you are using Logic Pro, in most cases your device is going to be connected to an audio interface.

No, if you are using an audio interface then you might as well be using a desktop or laptop... I mean really, that is true. The beauty of Logic on an iPad would be the portability, and having to use your one usb-c port for headphones is truly weak, and having to bring along an audio interface as the alternative is a non-starter. I was about to go pick up an iPad Air this morning until I remembered the lack of headphone port.
It's one of Apple's only real screwups, getting rid of headphone jacks but not replacing with a (non-latency) alternative. They should've waited for the airpod technology to mature before they killed off the jacks.

 

[Mac... nificent]

I did not know they were introducing yet another separate device specific operating system

(I get that they are all Darwin, but still)

That's what I heard, and it makes sense as Apple continues to blur the lines (and tests the waters) between Macbooks and iPad Pros. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them introducing a new Pencil just for the 16" and creative professionals.

 

[nathansz]

That's what I heard, and it makes sense as Apple continues to blur the lines (and tests the waters) between Macbooks and iPad Pros. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them introducing a new Pencil just for the 16" and creative professionals.

Can you point to where you heard about this?

 

[darngooddesign]

And if you use an iPad “Pro”, you can’t do audio work because Apple idiotically removed the headphone jack from those.

Why would you use a consumer grade tiny headphone jack when you can use a batter Jack supported through USB.

 

[FaustsHausUK]

That’s been possible for years with 3rd party apps like Cubasis.

Sorry, I should have been clearer... I use Logic Pro on Mac, I want to be able to track parts on the go and sync them back to a Mac project.

 

[orionquest]

The people who are whining and claiming that the iPad Pro is not a pro device have never used an iPad Pro. Simple as that. Having said that it is a different work environment. Using the iPad with the pencil just feels much more intuitive. In the end iPads and MacBooks are simply tools, and how you use those tools matter what you get out of them. A lot of people are also forgetting about the new 16" iPad Pro that's coming out and being geared toward creative professionals. It will have its own OS (MacOS lite) and I'm guessing it will change a lot of peoples minds about this topic.

I'm sure the ipad is a capable device there is no question is can perform. But I don't believe it's a very efficient device for the tasks based on the input capabilities, without a mouse and keyboard. Yeah you can add those, but at that level what is the point. I'm just not seeing it. Just so you can do this on the mobile device then transfer over to another to finalize, just skip that and send the assets to your proper workstation. I dunno just me, I'm sitting in front of a 3 monitor setup, with ton's of storage, proper project/file organization system, with other support apps, of which I don't see how I can do on a little ipad or even want to bother with. And if someone says it's for smaller projects, well there is iMovie for that 🤷‍♂️

 

[FaustsHausUK]

I'm sure the ipad is a capable device there is no question is can perform. But I don't believe it's a very efficient device for the tasks based on the input capabilities, without a mouse and keyboard. Yeah you can add those, but at that level what is the point. I'm just not seeing it. Just so you can do this on the mobile device then transfer over to another to finalize, just skip that and send the assets to your proper workstation. I dunno just me, I'm sitting in front of a 3 monitor setup, with ton's of storage, proper project/file organization system, with other support apps, of which I don't see how I can do on a little ipad or even want to bother with. And if someone says it's for smaller projects, well there is iMovie for that 🤷‍♂️

I think a lot of that is likely related to muscle memory of how you perform certain tasks. You get used to doing things a certain way, that's all you know.

I know people who have been creating music in GarageBand for iPad and having a whale of a time doing it. They never got used to DAWs on normal keyboard/mouse/window-based operating systems so they don't know any different. In fact, their workflow is more like folks who came up making music on samplers like the Akai MPC60.

 

[Mac... nificent]

Can you point to where you heard about this?

It was codenamed "Mendocino". Apple probably already knows that MacOS will work just fine on the M series iPad Pros, but they're dragging their feet because of public perception. Once they make the move to the full version of MacOS it will kill their Macbook sales, so they're most likely trying to keep both camps happy until even more powerful chips are available. Having said that, if the new 16" is popular, and I'm guessing it will be, then they'll be forced to speed the transition to full MacOS up a bit.

Apple is reportedly testing a Lite version of macOS for iPad

This leak also comes right on the heels of Blackmagic's announcement of DaVinci Resolve coming to the iPad Pro with M1 and M2 chips in Q4 2022. , Gadgets, Times Now

www.timesnownews.com

 

[nathansz]

I'll try, but I'm at work. It was codenamed "Mendocino" if that helps. I'll see if I can find some links for you

That was enough of a pointer

I found it

Thanks

 

[beermode]

Just my guess but I would think "pros" would be using something more like a Mac Studio or MBP with much more horsepower than an iPad. Maybe they're pricing it for people who already have FCP and LPX on desktop as a supplemental app for those on the go with their iPads. Hard to say.

As an ex-pro, I see the value in it. There isn't a quit button in some pros. If I take my ipad on vacation, I might have an idea and want to leverage something pro and portable. There are dozens of more reasons.
It seems like a lot of people spend a lot of energy gatekeeping what others do.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

As an ex-pro, I see the value in it. There isn't a quit button in some pros. If I take my ipad on vacation, I might have an idea and want to leverage something pro and portable. There are dozens of more reasons.
It seems like a lot of people spend a lot of energy gatekeeping what others do.

NAIL....HEAD....HIT! This is how I work too. If I have my ipad, and my USB C card reader, I can take images/videos with my cameras and create on the spot!

 

[yabeweb]

Yayyy another subscription…

 

[Unregistered 4U]

It will have its own OS (MacOS lite) and I'm guessing it will change a lot of peoples minds about this topic.

In my humble opinion, this fits with my expectations and what Apple’s been showing. The aging macOS piggybacking on the iOS/iPadOS processor design flows well into a future Mac just using an iPad form factor. It allows them to continue driving down the costs of maintaining macOS software and hardware.

 

[Luki1979]

Hmm Xcode for iPad with subscription would be great as long as it covers Apple Developer membership fee.

 

[nick42983]

I have no problem with the subscription model, people would be screeching even louder if it were priced like the Mac software. "$299 for an iPad App WTF!!!" (even at $199). We've gotten used to iPad apps costing $1.99-$19.99 max. At $49/year it's 6 years before you've paid what the Mac software cost but you can cancel any time. What I disdain is that it only runs on M1-M2 iPads. I have no doubt Apple was sitting on this release so it didn't appear to be a naked iPad upgrade ploy coupled with the release of the re-branded iPad chips, which of course have been "Apple Silicon" since 2010. Don't tell me my 2020 A12Z can't run this. Apple was forced to expand compatibility for Stage Manager after an uproar, though in this case I bet they'll hold firm.

 

[leebroath]

I’ve heard Final Cut Pro wont be able to read anything from an external SSD plugged in?

Is this true, and if so I’m hoping this will change in an update

 

[Mac... nificent]

I have no problem with the subscription model, people would be screeching even louder if it were priced like the Mac software. "$299 for an iPad App WTF!!!" (even at $199).

Two points; first, the iPad version does not have all the functionality of the desktop version, so why would it cost 199/299?

Second, I would gladly pay $99 for a one time price, especially since they already have $300 of my money, not to mention all the money spent for the hardware....

 

[Mac... nificent]

I’ve heard Final Cut Pro wont be able to read anything from an external SSD plugged in?

Is this true, and if so I’m hoping this will change in an update

Not sure where you heard that.... however, you won't be able to use a Mac version project on the iPad version.

 

[leebroath]

Not sure where you heard that.... however, you won't be able to use a Mac version project on the iPad version.

Play from 09:20, this Tuber had prior access to the app and Q&A with Apple

LOGIC PRO AND FINAL CUT PRO FOR IPAD ... LET'S DISCUSS!!!

I have info and I’m dying to share my thoughts….

www.youtube.com

 

[MobiusStrip]

And instead gave us USB-C meaning you can now use a professional grade external DAC however, without a dongle.

The headphone jack on iPads while was never "professional" grade - was handy.

You can use bluetooth for non latency-critical tasks.

Ridiculous, and nonsensical. If you're going to use an external DAC, why would you be dicking around with an iPad in the first place? And what do you mean "without a dongle?" You have to plug the DAC into the USB-C port (assuming that Apple hasn't gimped this capability out of the port, as they are wont to do), making it... a dongle. And how are you going to power your iPad then if necessary? Or use external storage (if that happens to be allowed)?

And you still have the general file I/O hassle on iOS devices.

Instead of turning a tablet into an octopus of wires and external junk, you might as well just use a MacBook Air. Then you get proper I/O, a keyboard and trackpad, precise UIs, and can use all kinds of software and plug-ins.

People are working so hard to turn a gimped toy into a computer; when the computer is nearly as small and affordable, and way more capable.

 

[nathansz]

Ridiculous, and nonsensical. If you're going to use an external DAC, why would you be dicking around with an iPad in the first place? And what do you mean "without a dongle?" You have to plug the DAC into the USB-C port (assuming that Apple hasn't gimped this capability out of the port, as they are wont to do), making it... a dongle. And how are you going to power your iPad then if necessary? Or use external storage (if that happens to be allowed)?

And you still have the general file I/O hassle on iOS devices.

Instead of turning a tablet into an octopus of wires and external junk, you might as well just use a MacBook Air. Then you get proper I/O, a keyboard and trackpad, precise UIs, and can use all kinds of software and plug-ins.

People are working so hard to turn a gimped toy into a computer; when the computer is nearly as small and affordable, and way more capable.

Part of this is something I was thinking

If you have to pack an interface anyway then what are you gaining by packing a tablet rather than a laptop

I don’t see anything to gain and a lot to lose

 

[fourthtunz]

No, if you are using an audio interface then you might as well be using a desktop or laptop... I mean really, that is true. The beauty of Logic on an iPad would be the portability, and having to use your one usb-c port for headphones is truly weak, and having to bring along an audio interface as the alternative is a non-starter. I was about to go pick up an iPad Air this morning until I remembered the lack of headphone port.
It's one of Apple's only real screwups, getting rid of headphone jacks but not replacing with a (non-latency) alternative. They should've waited for the airpod technology to mature before they killed off the jacks.

Yeah, the whole beauty of the iPad is the portability. I just looked at my air 4 that I just got I can’t wait to try logic on it but youre Right I wasn’t thinking about the non headphone jack either.
The Apple keyboard case that I have has the extra USB on it so you have two usb ports, do they sell headphones that are like the lightning headphones with a mic and headphones together?
anyhow, looking forward to trying logic on my iPad! I can see more adapters in my future.
@$#

 

[mdriftmeyer]

No, if you are using an audio interface then you might as well be using a desktop or laptop... I mean really, that is true. The beauty of Logic on an iPad would be the portability, and having to use your one usb-c port for headphones is truly weak, and having to bring along an audio interface as the alternative is a non-starter. I was about to go pick up an iPad Air this morning until I remembered the lack of headphone port.
It's one of Apple's only real screwups, getting rid of headphone jacks but not replacing with a (non-latency) alternative. They should've waited for the airpod technology to mature before they killed off the jacks.

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As an ex-pro, I see the value in it. There isn't a quit button in some pros. If I take my ipad on vacation, I might have an idea and want to leverage something pro and portable. There are dozens of more reasons.
It seems like a lot of people spend a lot of energy gatekeeping what others do.

Most people take their laptops on vacation and an iPad if they own one.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

By running around, I don't mean traveling. I mean carrying the iPad working in team in a production setting jumping from one person to another. You won't carry a MacBook jumping from one person to another.

That would be a director jotting down info or adjusting stuff that is integrated on their backend servers. The example Apple demonstrates for Coloration is fine. But, realistically, studios will be building custom in-house applications with Enterprise licenses that have Client interfaces for iPad, Laptop and Desktop to Workstation interfaces all with varying levels of focus--the iPad being the thinnest client.

All of their work will be via a SAN or NAS redundant server locally, periodically sync'd to the cloud for their global clients.

 

[ignatius345]

Weird that their computer counterparts have been one-time-only payments for more than a decade and the ipad versions will only be subscription.

I've always assumed they were basically subsidizing FCP to throw pro/prosumer users a bone and give them a reason to keep buying Macs. I don't follow Logic, but I own FCP and it's seen free (and major!) updates for like a decade or more at this point, all off that initial one-time purchase price.

That said, $4-5/month is truly peanuts if you're earning literally any money at all using it. There are freaking astrology apps out there that charge a lot more than that...