Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

[mdriftmeyer]

YET

They never will be. You're not going to want to load 100GB of instruments, samples, etc., onto your iPad, burn out the battery in a few hours and ultimately expand the device by loading third party plugins like LiquidSonics Reverbs themselves range from 200MB to 100GB of Bricast IR samples in 44khz-96khz.

All these 3rd party vendors support VST2/VST3/AU/AAX and are just getting around to Silicon. Nearly all of them are not AU3 Audio Unit plugins. The few you see on the AppStore are stripped down plugins.

Most of the vendors have to support several DAWs and it is far simpler to focus on Macs than on iPadOS and macOS.

This isn't going to convince users of Pro Tools or Ableton Live, or Cubase to move to Logic Pro. And it isn't going to convince Mixing studios using Logic to add this to their arsenal. Small independent Instagram training mixologists like YouTube channels who barely scratch the surface or do nothing but sampled music and not actual analog mixing of Drums, Bass, Synths, Orchestral Strings, Brass, backup singers, etc., to Live performances will ever use these iPad products.

The notion Colorists are going to use FCP behind the director's chair on-set is far fetched. Colorists are post-production people. All of FCP is post production, not on-the-fly in production work.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Thank you, it should not be a full blown computer with roots that are 40 years old.

You lost me at novices though. Considering the smartphone market penetration, there are no novices for touch controlled computers relying on online services.

Sometimes when I see comments about the iPad from Tech people, I think “what a novice”

95% of Smartphone use is Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, Snapchat, TikToc, etc., Those are novices. They aren't computer professionals. They are narcissistic seeking image influencers selling out to brand other 3rd party junk on these visual feeds.

Their not office professionals working with Databases, large matrix spreadsheets used for real-time data collection, producing technical publications for companies from legal professionals, software manuals, etc.

They are consumers==Novices.

They're not in applied science fields of engineering, chemistry, physics, etc., using their smartphones with their jobs. They are consumption based time wasting portable handheld systems to keep you tethered to Current Events.

 

[Luis Ortega]

subscription only?
New business model: Buy the hardware and then rent the software. That is the future. I don't want to take part of this. I will gladly pay for software updates and new revisions.

The power of the boycott is immense in a capitalist economy. Get almost everyone to stop buying subscriptions and the companies will fold like cheap lawn chairs.

 

[Wando64]

Now bring MainStage to the iPad

As long as the full Logic library is available

 

[Trusteft]

Finally! That's what I always wanted and demanded before I get an ipad. A subscription model for FCP!!!

I kid, frell subscription models for software.

 

[Abazigal]

The power of the boycott is immense in a capitalist economy. Get almost everyone to stop buying subscriptions and the companies will fold like cheap lawn chairs.

That’s kinda how subscriptions work. Most people won’t use them, but the app / service will go on to acquire a niche but dedicated user base who will earn the developer enough to sustain such a business model.

 

[petvas]

The

Most people take their laptops on vacation and an iPad if they own one.

When I go away for a short trip, then I mostly take my iPad with me. When I am on vacation, my laptop is with me. My iPad not so much..

 

[MajorFubar]

The power of the boycott is immense in a capitalist economy. Get almost everyone to stop buying subscriptions and the companies will fold like cheap lawn chairs.

We collectively can't organise that level of united militancy. If we could there wouldn't even be any wars because literally no solider wants to fight, they want to be at home making memories with their family and friends. They're each only fighting because the other side is fighting. If both sides said 'kcuf it we're not doing this anymore', downed arms and walked away, what could their country's generals do? Imprison them all?

Remember the great words of Hopper in Bugs Life: "Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one, and if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food, it's about keeping those ants in line."

 

[cupcakes2000]

95% of Smartphone use is Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, Snapchat, TikToc, etc., Those are novices. They aren't computer professionals. They are narcissistic seeking image influencers selling out to brand other 3rd party junk on these visual feeds.

Their not office professionals working with Databases, large matrix spreadsheets used for real-time data collection, producing technical publications for companies from legal professionals, software manuals, etc.

They are consumers==Novices.

They're not in applied science fields of engineering, chemistry, physics, etc., using their smartphones with their jobs. They are consumption based time wasting portable handheld systems to keep you tethered to Current Events.

So what you’re saying is professionals don’t use smartphones or social media. Got it.
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The trouble with this ridiculous self entitled thread, is that people are so entrenched and stuck in their own beliefs and ways that they can’t see past their own noses, can’t see the bigger picture and fail to see the absolute ridiculousness they’re writing.

I mean, half the comments here are by people saying that the young people of today, renting, self entitled, you’ll own nothing and like it blah blah. Those same people are complaining that they purchased fcx or logic once, potentially over ten years ago and are not receiving a free iPad sub. I mean what? Obviously you are not. And how is that not as a ridiculous assumption as what you’re accusing others of who actually prefer a sun for this type of thing?

Further, these same people also subscribe to multiple things. Tv, phone, mortgage, hp, utilities. Professional software that gets used day in day out has every right to be offered as a sub.

No one like the turn towards subscriptions for ridiculous things such as a calculator app, but this is quite far removed as a subject. The word subscription is the only similarity and nothing else is equal, so can’t be discussed as if so.

 

[Joosst]

Maybe if they called these iPad counterparts Final Cut Go and Logic Go, then everybody would be happy?

Because it does seem like nice software. But the claim that this is ‘pro’ software upsets people, and makes me scared for the future of the desktop versions.

I just don’t really know who this software is for. Because the real pro’s (especially Logic Pro’s) really can’t use this because of the lack of AUv2 support.

I also don’t really get the portability argument, because laptops are also portable, while having more ports, more storage, more battery, more plug-in support, AND a built-in trackpad / cursor which is absolutely unbeaten for precision editing.

So I guess this software is meant for things you can do better with your fingers than with a cursor.

Just not yet sure what those things are…

For music making there are maybe a few niche use cases, but video editing? With your fingers? Why?

 

[Tesix2]

Getting some more moo from the herd.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

That’s kinda how subscriptions work. Most people won’t use them, but the app / service will go on to acquire a niche but dedicated user base who will earn the developer enough to sustain such a business model.

The important part is that niche will number in the millions. A small sliver of the billions in the world, BUT a profitable niche for Apple. Apple’s always gone after one profitable niche after another and focuses their products on folks with money willing to pay for those products. Anyone that finds Apple’s products “not worth paying for”, that’s by design as they’re actually looking to sell to someone else, not them.

 

[fourthtunz]

Yeah, the whole beauty of the iPad is the portability. I just looked at my air 4 that I just got I can’t wait to try logic on it but youre Right I wasn’t thinking about the non headphone jack either.
The Apple keyboard case that I have has the extra USB on it so you have two usb ports, do they sell headphones that are like the lightning headphones with a mic and headphones together?
anyhow, looking forward to trying logic on my iPad!

Nothing from any of the professional audio makers. Fabfilter, Native Instruments, Waves, Sonible, Slate Digital, Izotope - I could go on and on. There's nothing but toys in the app store.

Well, give it time. And logic has lots of great plug-ins already so we’ll see
I haven’t owned final cut for 10 or 12 years so it’ll be cool just be able to get my toes back into Final Cut on my iPad and of course you have the touchscreen which will be nice for drawing filters and things like that.

So, picture a youtuber at the likes of a conference or trade show (e.g. NAMM) where you are shooting video and need to be "the first" with the latest and greatest hardware to garner the most views.

Being able to shoot video directly on the device, edit on it and have something reasonably decent looking uploaded in minutes is going to be priceless.


For one thing, maybe I'm using my desktop/laptop for other tasks. Maybe I'm recording and outputting the entire band on one device, while using the other device as a midi brain.

There is already oodles of standalone audio apps that will be able to routed into Logic channels. If plugins are indeed coming, that might be where the real value lies.



I don't disagree, the computer is more capable. But an iPad is almost as capable and fits into some situations better. The right tool, is the best tool for any given job. You seem to think the only tool is a hammer.



Yes

All that I have found so far are android wired earbuds, I guess Apple really want you to pay money for the AirPods! You can buy regular 1/8 “ earbuds or lightning earbuds on the Apple site, but they do not make USB earbuds as far as I can see.

 

[fourthtunz]

They never will be. You're not going to want to load 100GB of instruments, samples, etc., onto your iPad, burn out the battery in a few hours and ultimately expand the device by loading third party plugins like LiquidSonics Reverbs themselves range from 200MB to 100GB of Bricast IR samples in 44khz-96khz.

All these 3rd party vendors support VST2/VST3/AU/AAX and are just getting around to Silicon. Nearly all of them are not AU3 Audio Unit plugins. The few you see on the AppStore are stripped down plugins.

Most of the vendors have to support several DAWs and it is far simpler to focus on Macs than on iPadOS and macOS.

This isn't going to convince users of Pro Tools or Ableton Live, or Cubase to move to Logic Pro. And it isn't going to convince Mixing studios using Logic to add this to their arsenal. Small independent Instagram training mixologists like YouTube channels who barely scratch the surface or do nothing but sampled music and not actual analog mixing of Drums, Bass, Synths, Orchestral Strings, Brass, backup singers, etc., to Live performances will ever use these iPad products.

The notion Colorists are going to use FCP behind the director's chair on-set is far fetched. Colorists are post-production people. All of FCP is post production, not on-the-fly in production work.

Well, for people like me, who already have a studio set up on the Mac with ProTools and logic, it might just be a portable solution, which is how I’m looking at it and I’ll get to try the touch version of Final Cut Pro, which I haven’t had for about 12 years! Going to be interesting to see how this all develops.

 

[fourthtunz]

Maybe if they called these iPad counterparts Final Cut Go and Logic Go, then everybody would be happy?

Because it does seem like nice software. But the claim that this is ‘pro’ software upsets people, and makes me scared for the future of the desktop versions.

I just don’t really know who this software is for. Because the real pro’s (especially Logic Pro’s) really can’t use this because of the lack of AUv2 support.

I also don’t really get the portability argument, because laptops are also portable, while having more ports, more storage, more battery, more plug-in support, AND a built-in trackpad / cursor which is absolutely unbeaten for precision editing.

So I guess this software is meant for things you can do better with your fingers than with a cursor.

Just not yet sure what those things are…

For music making there are maybe a few niche use cases, but video editing? With your fingers? Why?

It’s just the portable nature of it. I realize we already have GarageBand but to be able to just import whatever you did on your iPad is very cool I don’t know what everybody else is going to do but I’m talking about just using the wired earbuds with the mic built-in and I do like the touch nature of the instruments and evidently some of the controls will be different adapting to the touch interface. It’s at least worth doing the seven day demo and I can’t wait to try out final cut again. I don’t see why everyone’s complaining what if you got to lose you don’t like it don’t use it doesn’t cost a thing.

 

[fourthtunz]

When I go away for a short trip, then I mostly take my iPad with me. When I am on vacation, my laptop is with me. My iPad not so much..

Ha ha when I go away on a trip I’m so lazy I barely take enough clothes. I like to pack light.!
But I will take my iPad now, even with the case I think it weighs about a pound less than my M1 air.

 

[deevey]

All that I have found so far are android wired earbuds

Any USB-C headset I've tried has worked fine - Android ones included.

You can puck up a set of Dual driver KZ ZSN's with USB-C and Mic for a couple bucks more than the price of wired Earpods. They sound a whole lot better than the earpod crap anyways

 

[Mac... nificent]

For music making there are maybe a few niche use cases, but video editing? With your fingers? Why?

Before we go any further maybe it would be a good idea to define what a "Professional" is. It's not someone who has been using this or that software on/off for many years. It's not someone who can make a quick video and post it to YouTube, and it's not someone who has a wall of monitors and every toy that you can think of connected to them. Everyone's going to have their own definition, but for me a true professional is someone who earns a living at this craft AND they have an eye for the fine details. With that said, and to answer your question, editing video on a iPad Pro with the Pencil is a whole other environment from using the mouse on a desktop. Using the Pencil is much more intuitive and natural feeling. It's a more fluid feeling. With the Hover feature you can see exactly where your Apple Pencil will touch down on the display, allowing you to preview your edits before you make them. When I edit something on the iPad with the Pencil, and then go back to use the mouse on the desktop, the mouse feels much more bulky and imprecise.

 

[fourthtunz]

Any USB-C headset I've tried has worked fine - Android ones included.

You can puck up a set of Dual driver KZ ZSN's with USB-C and Mic for a couple bucks more than the price of wired Earpods. They sound a whole lot better than the earpod crap anyways

Excellent thanks for the tip!

 

[cupcakes2000]

Before we go any further maybe it would be a good idea to define what a "Professional" is. It's not someone who has been using this or that software on/off for many years. It's not someone who can make a quick video and post it to YouTube, and it's not someone who has a wall of monitors and every toy that you can think of connected to them. Everyone's going to have their own definition, but for me a true professional is someone who earns a living at this craft AND they have an eye for the fine details. With that said, and to answer your question, editing video on a iPad Pro with the Pencil is a whole other environment from using the mouse on a desktop. Using the Pencil is much more intuitive and natural feeling. It's a more fluid feeling. With the Hover feature you can see exactly where your Apple Pencil will touch down on the display, allowing you to preview your edits before you make them. When I edit something on the iPad with the Pencil, and then go back to use the mouse on the desktop, the mouse feels much more bulky and imprecise.

Exactly. It’s not like graphics tablets are a new concept, and that is exactly the concept at play here.

 

[Ghost31]

This thread right here shows it was never about Final Cut coming to iPad. That wasn’t gonna make them happy. The whole “iPad is not a real computer until it has pro apps!” Pro apps show up “screw this! I hate subscriptions! $5 will make me go bankrupt on my $2k machine!”

Every year we get another thing marked off the checklist for iPad that we always ask for. External support. Hard drive support. Now we have pro apps. There’s always something to complain about. There will always be a segment of the population that will never accept iPad as a real tool that people can use because it doesn’t fit their traditional use of a computer

 

[Brien]

Weird that their computer counterparts have been one-time-only payments for more than a decade and the ipad versions will only be subscription.

Would not be surprised if all the software follows suit. Gotta appease them shareholders.

 

[Choco Taco]

This thread right here shows it was never about Final Cut coming to iPad. That wasn’t gonna make them happy. The whole “iPad is not a real computer until it has pro apps!” Pro apps show up “screw this! I hate subscriptions! $5 will make me go bankrupt on my $2k machine!”

Every year we get another thing marked off the checklist for iPad that we always ask for. External support. Hard drive support. Now we have pro apps. There’s always something to complain about. There will always be a segment of the population that will never accept iPad as a real tool that people can use because it doesn’t fit their traditional use of a computer

We still don't have pro apps. That's the problem. They released bastardized, gimped versions of the desktop apps. You can't even go between desktop and iPad with FCP. One way only. Ridiculous. You can't use external storage as an editing medium. It took them a million years to release this and it's a pathetic release. Meanwhile, DaVinci lets you go back and forth between the iPad and Mac as well as being able to edit from external storage. The iPad is a real tool. I edit professional video projects on the iPad in DaVinci Resolve constantly. It's the full app and I can go between my Mac and the iPad without any issues. You'd think Apple could at least compete on a level playing field with their native apps compared to third party apps. The garbage they just released is not worth a subscription.

 

[Ghost31]

We still don't have pro apps. That's the problem. They released bastardized, gimped versions of the desktop apps. You can't even go between desktop and iPad with FCP. One way only. Ridiculous. You can't use external storage as an editing medium. It took them a million years to release this and it's a pathetic release. Meanwhile, DaVinci lets you go back and forth between the iPad and Mac as well as being able to edit from external storage. The iPad is a real tool. I edit professional video projects on the iPad in DaVinci Resolve constantly. It's the full app and I can go between my Mac and the iPad without any issues. You'd think Apple could at least compete on a level playing field with their native apps compared to third party apps. The garbage they just released is not worth a subscription.

The second someone calls an unreleased product a “gimped version” and a “garbage release” before its even actually come out, you lost me. You just lost me.

 

[Choco Taco]

The second someone calls an unreleased product a “gimped version” and a “garbage release” before its even actually come out, you lost me. You just lost me.

That's great for you. I'm glad you can baselessly shut down because of some weird defense of Apple instead of actually taking people's thoughts into account whose livelihood depends on workflows that make actual sense. You can be lost all you want. I really couldn't care less. It doesn't change the fact that you can't edit from external media in FCP or edit projects back and forth between Mac and iPad seamlessly like DaVinci Resolve. These aren't opinions. This is the state of the iPad app that was announced. I'm not an audio engineer so I can't speak on the state of Logic, but at least with Logic, you can do two way edits between the Mac and iPad. If they don't fix this, it's going to be DOA for a lot of people.