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I need to digest this to really understand it but yey for words like "groundbreaking post-quantum cryptographic protocol"!!

Long story short quantum computers will be able to break all known encryption methods we currently use since our encryption is based on prime numbers which current computers take a long time to solve (but quantum computers can solve a LOT faster).

Cyber criminal groups are hoarding stolen encrypted data for when this happens so groups were formed to find a quantum-proof encryption. The popular ones last time I checked were based on mathematical lattices (not sure how Apples works) which are hard for even quantum computers to solve.
 
that’s not what a cross platform client is. whatsapp is an example
copy paste from news article "Apple plans to adopt the Rich Communication Services (RCS) messaging protocol, which aims to enhance cross-platform communication between iPhones and Android devices."

iphone/ios would be one platform, android would be another platform, and RCS allowing them to talk to each other on those two different platforms, making it cross platform.
 
Never a bad thing to be proactive, but I highly doubt quantum computers poses an imminent threat.

This is all about future threat. Those [people, governments, corporations] who fail to appreciate the dangers of a future threat are doomed to suffer its consequences. It is far better to prepare today than to roll out a solution 8 months after 100% of your customers are compromised.

Three years ago, usable AI was 30 years away.
 
This is all about future threat. Those [people, governments, corporations] who fail to appreciate the dangers of a future threat are doomed to suffer its consequences. It is far better to prepare today than to roll out a solution 8 months after 100% of your customers are compromised.

Three years ago, usable AI was 30 years away.
Oh please. AI can't even draw a picture of a human with anatomically correct hands. We don't need to fear the T-1000 anytime soon.
 
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Oh yes it is much easier.
Just one example: sending a photo from your camera roll using the share button, you have to enter the recipients name manually or go through all of your hundreds of contacts and pick one. In Whatsapp you simply land in your recent chats overview and just click on an Avatar/Chat to send it. I can‘t wrap my head around the fact that I can not do this simplest and most logical thing within iMessage. There are dozens of more examples.
Of course cross platform is a big one but all my relatives have iPhones and still use Whatsapp. When asked why, they answer „because it‘s easier to use“.
Except for the part where all your frequent contacts are at the top of the share bar and the method you normally share with them is already set.
 
Except for the part where all your frequent contacts are at the top of the share bar and the method you normally share with them is already set.
Ok I just found the option. I disabled everything Siri on day 1 and that‘s why for years I never had these suggestions. They are somewhat useful but still a long horizontal list you have to scroll through and it’s not specific to one messaging app. So I have to scroll through 8 recent whatsapps to get to the one iMessage contact…
Yeah..no…Whatsapp is way easier.
 
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Sure I get it, Apple needs to flex and announce this to reinforce their brand on privacy.

But less detailed information might be better, no?
I mean you're just challenging hackers to take a crack at it.
 
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How? I never had any contacts in the share bar showing up. All I see is app icons and underneath options for copying, printing, set as background etc
  1. Open Settings and tap on Siri & Search.
  2. Then, find the section called Suggestions From Apple.
  3. Look for Show When Sharing—that's the one you need to enable or disable.
 
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extremely well-resourced attackers can already prepare for their possible arrival by taking advantage of the steep decrease in modern data storage costs

Apparently those attackers are not using iCloud for their storage, amirite gang?
 
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This is insanely secure... Unless you are an important government leader, a spy or very, very wealthy, it is also totally unnecessary, and will be for decades. Every experimental quantum computer known to exist uses liquid helium cooling, which is inherently expensive (and won't get cheaper). There is NO research in the open press suggesting anyone is within many decades of a room temperature quantum computer, and quite a bit suggesting that such a thing simply cannot exist.

If we are still looking at liquid helium cooling (which we will be for the forseeable future) , a quantum computer poses a legitimate security threat - to VERY interesting people. If your email address is something like joeb@whitehouse.gov or bezos@amazon.com, you certainly have to worry about someone coming at you with a quantum.computer. If it's anybody@cia.gov, you MIGHT. If it's jenniferlawrence@gmail.com, the porn industry is simply going to deepfake you - far cheaper than quantum-hacking your iMessages in hopes you sent out a nude selfie. If it's pretty much anything else, you aren't going to be attacked by anyone with THAT kind of resources.

This is similar to all the threats that require extended, in-person access to your laptop or phone and expensive tools. If your last name is Biden, you might not want to leave your computer lying around. If you are the CEO of Goldman Sachs, you might want to be careful not to leave the company passwords in a text file (and it's amazing how many CEOs do things like that!). If you're an ordinary person, you should be far more concerned about things that aren't encrypted AT ALL and can be collected by random idiots, and about phishing e-mails, malware, etc.

Most data security, for most people, isn't about being smarter than the intelligence agencies of a well-resourced nation state (if you are the late Alexei Navalny, it certainly was). It's about being a step ahead of teenage script kiddies, indiscriminate data vacuums and advertisers who want your data.

Using WhatsApp (Meta's data habits are well known) is just dumb, but either existing iMessage or Signal security is perfectly good unless you have the FSB (better known by their old name - KGB) after you.

It's FAR more important to secure the BIG data leaks like advertising and phishing than to worry about the tiny probability of a professional spy with a supercomputer. The Meta Pixel and friends are HUGE threats, fake credit card readers are significant threats, and the NSA hacking most people with a quantum computer is a nonexistent threat.

Many people think I'm a security freak - I won't use any Meta product under any circumstances, I religiously use a password manager, and I am EXTREMELY careful about logging into Google from any browser (I do all my searches without login, check my gmail only over imap, and any time I HAVE to login, I immediately log out, close the window and let Cookie do its thing to clean up). I have Cookie set to delete nearly everything every time I close Safari, and I'd never touch Chrome.

With all of these precautions, this is the first time in years I've spared a thought for spies with quantum computers - and I've dismissed them entirely unless you are intersting to a professional spy and worth millions of dollars or rubles to hack.
 
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I bet it only takes Google about 10 years to up their game, and complain about Apple every year they don't. Their "standard" that they keep trying to sell on everyone apparently has pretty bad encryption (According to a lot of articles anyway)
 
I need to know what “supported conversations” means. Because some of the longest, oldest, personal conversations I have on iMessage, are received by the other person on an iPad with iOS 12, among other devices running iOS 16.

My question is, if I update my devices to iOS 17.4, and the other person keeps having one of their devices on iOS 12, what will happen? Will this person lose access to the conversation on this old iPad? Or the conversation will just remain on the older (current) encryption?
 
PQ3 is the next big thing for the next decade..hoping for others to join it
Well, Signal already made some enhancements, and Apple introduction of a matrix multiplication coprocessor (named AMX) in its Mx series didn't go unnoticed. This kind of coprocessor accelerates computations in a cryptographic field (lattice-based cryptosystems) expected to retain some resistance when or if quantum calculators become reality (= the ones able to run already-known algorithms breaking most current keys, not the ones praised by IBM, Google, Msoft, NSA... which are not suitable for breaking keys). Right now, and despite a first set of NSA/NIST standardized algorithms, it would be very impractical - and theoretically unproven - to provide "post-quantum safe" mechanisms resisting a real wave of quantum key-breakers. Apple made a step in the right direction, for sure, but more marketing/competition than cryptology advance. Something like:
- Hey team, these RCS guys are annoying, and now Signal claims "post-quantum" security. Also, my wife has this new Quantum cream, sounds neat! Can't we do that too ?
- Well, there are mechanisms, but they don't mean much, heavy research field, so...
- OK! send me something so we can out-quantum them all, we'll fine-tune the wording!
 
FWIW, Quantum computing is available as a service from various providers such as Azure, for example: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/quantum/
True.

But quantum computing is in its infancy. CPUs of today are millions of times more powerful than their infant predecessors in the 1970s and 80s. And modern GPUs are more powerful still. So a quantum computer 20-30 years from now likely will be much more powerful than what exists today.

Given that Apple's statement has forward looking claims (i.e., mitigate risks against "an attack scenario known as Harvest Now, Decrypt Later.") what confidence do we have that messages harvested under Apple's initial PQ3 implemention will be resilient from powerful quantum computer 20-30 years into the future?
 
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