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It looks like Apple just loaded a crap ton of bloatware to the messaging app to me. I'm disappointed with what I saw. It looks like they geared messages towards a teenage girl. I like the current quick/business feel of messages. I hope I can turn off these bedazzled features.
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My coworkers and I are starting to feel like this is the beginning of the end. Apple is losing touch with their core users that want simplicity over everything else. From what i saw, it does not look like iOS10 will not pass the grandparents test.

So, because it's something you don't like/won't use, it's bloatware? People are throwing that term around incorrectly. I don't need/use the phone app, but I wouldn't call it bloatware, as it's not.
 
The proximity sensor.

Probably uses the low-power M chip (at least in the iPhone 5s and newer) that is always measuring movement.

Doesn't make sense for Touch ID users, especially on the 6s. IDK how many times I've picked up my 6s and blown past my notifications by barely touching the home button. There will probably be a toggle for the raise to wake functionality.
Now I understand the technology a little more, it makes a lot more sense!

I only discovered you could save more than one fingerprint a couple of weeks ago too, that's made life easier :)
 
I love the redesign... Except the new music app. That's pretty awful. If I wasn't paying for a family Apple Music subscription, I would be uninstalling it!!
 
Now I understand the technology a little more, it makes a lot more sense!

I only discovered you could save more than one fingerprint a couple of weeks ago too, that's made life easier :)
Haha, yep. If only they would add more slots. Probably would require a new secure enclave element though. I'm looking into buying an iPhone for my grandparents to share right now and thinking about how Touch ID will work for them. I figure all four thumbs and a lucky one of them can register a finger, lol.
 
Apparently you haven't used Android, Chromebooks or Windows anytime lately, because yes, a lot of those things that were mentioned in today's keynote are already available on such devices. For example:
  • Since Lollipop (5.0), Android has a feature called Smart Lock, where your phone can be automatically unlocked if it is near a certain location or Bluetooth device. Chromebooks can be unlocked automatically using the same tech if your phone is near.
Yeah, and there's an app that does that with Macs too, such as MacID or Knock to Unlock. But Chromebooks have full continuity support? Or can run something besides a web browser? It's a toy. I can do more with my old original 2010 iPad—and THAT is saying something.
  • Using an app like Pushbullet or AirDroid, I can send and receive texts from Windows or a Chromebook. The upcoming Anniversary update for Windows will allow for Android notification mirroring and replying to text messages natively.
So the support isn't built-in yet? Maybe if you're lucky, that update will be pushed down your throat as well. They sure love doing that over at Microsoft! Macs have had the Messages app since 2012 and text message continuity since iOS 8, so around 2014.
  • Google Photos has done everything Apple's upcoming Photos app will do for quite a while now.
Sure, if you don't mind Google storing and scanning every photo you've ever taken in their mysterious cloud of "I can't believe these people morons give us all their personal data so we can turn around and sell it for advertising!"
  • Google's upcoming Allo app was announced prior to today's WWDC, and will do many of the same things as Apple's new messaging app (Shouting, whispering, stickers, smart replies, etc.)
And it's not nearly as nice. Just look at the animations. There's no comparison. Apple gets the human side of software. Google is too harsh and robotic in their approach to, well, most everything.

And I could go on and on. More or less, the idea that Apple has this "seamless" ecosystem that no one else has is outdated, and anyone who believes otherwise needs to get their head out of the sand.

If these platforms are so great, then why do you spend so much time writing on an entirely Apple-focused website? Oh wait, you just show up once a year to crap on our parade. If it wasn't for Apple, you wouldn't even have your precious little Android device. Look up the first Android device—it was a complete BB ripoff. Then they stole from Apple. Then they passed Apple in some areas, and Apple passed them, and they've gone back and forth ever since. But I favor the overall approach of Apple, who has taken a stand to protect my right to privacy. Their design can't be matched, and their attention to detail when it comes to humanizing software can't be argued. They're far from perfect, but I'll be damned if I say Google is better just because they rush half-baked apps and features to market first, come up with a bunch of pie-in-the-sky concepts that never become products, and give out lots of "free" stuff. The platform is a hugely fragmented mess of different devices, OS versions and shoddy developer commitment and support. Only recently have they even attempted to create a unified design—and upon a quick browse of their store—it doesn't look like most developers give a crap.

Just accept it: Nobody else has continuity like Apple does, built into the core of the OS, that works across so many different devices, that just works out of the box. Full stop.
 
So, because it's something you don't like/won't use, it's bloatware? People are throwing that term around incorrectly. I don't need/use the phone app, but I wouldn't call it bloatware, as it's not.

I agree, not needing software and bloatware are different things. I would consider the phone app to be bloatware if it had a lot of unneeded silly things such as the ability to play firework noises when people said things I liked or the ability to play white noise that they could only hear by holding their finger on the screen. Bloatware is adding unnecessary things to a piece of software that does not enhance it's ability to do it's core function.
 
[you were referring to HomeKit at this point]. A lot of people invest in HomeKit tech, and as sales of smart home technology are growing and will continue to grow (there are even connected dishwashers and cooking extractor hoods now but no idea why!) hopefully Apple will link up and get more of it HomeKit approved - or whatever they call it. I rally think you miss the point saying 'nobody buys it' - I think this is a huge market for the future, and the very near future at that. If Apple sleeps they will really miss out.

I don't understand what you're saying. I've never met someone with a device that is controlled by an iPhone or iPad other than Apple TV. I've never met someone with a scale, thermostat, plug system, etc, in their house that's controlled by an iPhone. I didn't miss the point at all regarding the lack of popularity of these devices.

I think Apple needs to do some more advertising on certain products, such as Apple Pay and HomeKit.
 
As Samsung (and other android) hardware morphs into the iPhone and iOS morphs into android OS soon there will only be minor distinguishing elements.

Without a true file manager and real widgets, they are very distinguishable..........let's not get to external drive support mouse support etc that android has.......
 
that whole conference was cringe worthy awkward with the guest speakers. especially the music chick, and the other peeps when their stuff wasn't working. awkward.
 
I agree, not needing software and bloatware are different things. I would consider the phone app to be bloatware if it had a lot of unneeded silly things such as the ability to play firework noises when people said things I liked or the ability to play white noise that they could only hear by holding their finger on the screen. Bloatware is adding unnecessary things to a piece of software that does not enhance it's ability to do it's core function.
One man's bloatware is another man's dream functionality. Just because I find a feature useless doesn't mean there isn't someone else who finds it useful, and vice versa.

Apple doesn't design an iPhone for you and you alone. Get over it.
 
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How did you feel about iOS 7 when it came out? Did you like that look? How do you feel about it now? Still hate/love it?

I feel about the same about the look now as I did then, but I've learned to live with it. iOS was sure in need for an update visually, but they did a really poor job at it imo. I still don't get how they could release a product with such icons out in the public. I laughed out loud when they first displayed it, thinking it had to be some sort of joke. Also the lack of contrast between certain UI elements still bothers me. They took flatness one step too far in some departments.
 
It looks like Apple just loaded a crap ton of bloatware to the messaging app to me. I'm disappointed with what I saw. It looks like they geared messages towards a teenage girl. I like the current quick/business feel of messages. I hope I can turn off these bedazzled features.
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My coworkers and I are starting to feel like this is the beginning of the end. Apple is losing touch with their core users that want simplicity over everything else. From what i saw, it does not look like iOS10 will not pass the grandparents test.

Nope. You just have to face the fact that you are no longer Apple's target demographic. Professionals kept Apple ticking over in the lean times. Now, Apple no longer needs or wants to cater for this demanding market sector and is aiming its increasingly messy inventory at the Facebook/Beats/Emoji brigade. Well, good luck with that fickle segment of the market. As soon as the halo really slips, there won't be many evangelists singing Apple's praises left. Some nebulous notion of 'cool' doesn't quite cut it, especially if you try to chase it rather than earn it.

Simplicity and ease of use is also going the way of the dodo. That is what happens when geeks take over, who lack Steve Job's dictatorial clarity of vision, however limiting it may have been in the face of what was/is available on other platforms. Everyone seems to have his finger in the pie now and now Apple's distinctiveness is giving way to the jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none muddle of Android, without necessarily taking on board all of its virtues.
 
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One man's bloatware is another man's dream functionality. Just because I find a feature useless doesn't mean there isn't someone else who finds it useful, and vice versa.

Apple doesn't design an iPhone for you and you alone. Get over it.
I understand they are taking a utilitarian approach. I have iOS devices because they seem more focused than android devices IMO. I'm over it - i'm just expressing my opinion is all.
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Nope. You just have to face the fact that you are no longer Apple's target demographic. Professionals kept Apple ticking over in the lean times. Now, Apple no longer needs or wants to cater for this demanding market sector and is aiming its increasingly messy inventory at the Facebook/Beats/Emoji brigade. Well, good luck with that fickle segment of the market. As soon as the halo really slips, there won't be many evangelists singing Apple's praises left. Some nebulous notion of 'cool' doesn't quite cut it, especially if you try to chase it rather than earn it.

Simplicity and ease of use is also going the way of the dodo. That is what happens when geeks take over, who lack Steve Job's dictatorial clarity of vision, however limiting it may have been in the face of what was/is available on other platforms. Everyone seems to have his finger in the pie now and now Apple's distinctiveness is giving way to the jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none muddle of Android, without necessarily taking on board all of its virtues.
Well put - I couldn't agree more.
 
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I don't understand what you're saying. I've never met someone with a device that is controlled by an iPhone or iPad other than Apple TV. I've never met someone with a scale, thermostat, plug system, etc, in their house that's controlled by an iPhone. I didn't miss the point at all regarding the lack of popularity of these devices.

I think Apple needs to do some more advertising on certain products, such as Apple Pay and HomeKit.


I wouldn't argue you don't know anybody who has these products, but you said 'nobody buys it' - that isn't the same thing. People do buy it, just obviously not your friends and family. You seem to believe that because you don't know anyone who owns one that nobody owns them. If that was the case why is the market expanding and big manufacturers making new smart / automated home products?

If you have evidence to show nobody buys these items please share it, I'm genuinely interested to know where you got your information from if it isn't just from not knowing anyone who buys these products.
 



At today's WWDC keynote, Apple unveiled iOS 10, the latest version of its mobile operating system that will launch in the fall. Apple's list of new features for iOS 10 is extensive, focusing on revamping established apps (like Messages, Photos, and Apple Music), introducing new aspects of the user interface, and doubling down on privacy.

One of the more notable updates in iOS 10 centers around Messages. Apple hopes the handful of new Message features in iOS 10 will bring more "personal and expressive" ways to communicate with friends and family, with a roster of new text message abilities including text balloon animations, invisible ink, enlarged emoji, and handwritten notes.

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On the lock and home screen side of things, Apple debuted a new "rich notifications" system that lets users get more information from various apps without unlocking their iPhone. The update will also introduce a "clear all" feature for Notification Center notifications, and a way to access the iPhone's camera and widgets by sliding left or right, respectively, from the lock screen.

All of this will be even easier to glance at thanks to an Apple Watch-like "Raise to Wake" ability that wakes up the iPhone whenever users raise their device to eye level. Those users on iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus will also benefit from deeper integration of 3D Touch with the new rich notifications, which will let interacting with apps be "even easier." Notes will be getting a new collaborative project feature and Live Photos will be able to go through an editing process in iOS 10.

The second phase of iOS 10's new features focus on adding new abilities into Apple's already well-known apps. The first is a new "Memories" tab in the Photos app that will intelligently draw out specific photos -- thanks to facial recognition and geo filters -- to dynamically group together family vacations and special memories. The app will also now create slideshows with the photos and videos users take within each album, without the need for intensive editing software.

Maps is getting a redesign in iOS 10 as well, featuring larger buttons and typefaces, with Apple saying that the new look makes it "simpler and even more intuitive to use." The app has also been made more intelligent, scanning your calendar or assessing your routine and delivering directions proactively. Once a route is planned, the updated Maps app can search the route for gas stations, restaurants and more, even telling you how long a pit stop would affect your trip. Finally, Apple Maps is now open to third-party extensions, allowing you to make a restaurant reservation via OpenTable within Maps or calling a ride from service like Uber.

Next, Apple Music will get its long-rumored significant redesign in iOS 10, which is shared with an updated version of Apple News. Apple says the new design language allows the content of the apps to "become the hero," making it even simpler for users to find the music or news they want. The Library, For You, Browse and Radio tabs in Apple Music have all been revamped with the new design language, and Apple has added a Search tab to make it easier to search for new music. Apple Music has also gained support for lyrics.

Meanwhile, the redesigned News app features a revamped For You section that's broken down into sections that include trending news and specialized topics that users have indicated interest in. In addition, the news-centric app has gained support for subscriptions for select publications like The Wall Street Journal.


The Cupertino company also debuted a new Home app that allows users to easily manage and control all of their HomeKit devices in one place. The app allows users to either manage their accessories individually or by grouping them together in "scenes." Scenes allow users to affect all of the devices with a single command.

iOS 10 will also include a public API for Siri, allowing developers to plug into Apple's personal assistant. Users will now be able to use Siri to make VoIP calls, send messages through messaging apps like WhatsApp and hail cabs from services like Uber. Additionally, iOS 10 will include smaller updates like Split View within Safari for iPad and a new Bedtime Alarm mode in the Clock app that allows users to set a regular sleep schedule and reminders for bedtime.

Lastly, Apple has debuted a new privacy feature for iOS called Differential Privacy, which allows Apple to discover user habits to improve AI features without compromising privacy.
The developer preview of iOS 10 is available today, and a public beta program will begin in July. Users interested in the public beta can sign up for information at beta.Apple.com. iOS 10 will be available in the fall for free for iPhone 5 and later and all iPad Pro and Air models. The fourth-generation iPad and the iPad mini 2 and later will also support iOS 10.

Article Link: Apple Announces iOS 10 With Overhauled Messages App, Rich Notifications, and More
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I love the redesign... Except the new music app. That's pretty awful. If I wasn't paying for a family Apple Music subscription, I would be uninstalling it!!

Well people might be confused with music app in ios9 but I feel that is way more elegant and in line to Apple's philosophy of a good design. This new crap is like some out of the box taco store bought in cheapass markdown. It just doesn't fit in at all.. I don't use it because it is only too confusing when syncing playlists and songs between different device. Spotify solved all of those nicely plus dark theme app.
 
As for Waze, it can work with Siri once the developers take advantage of Siri being opened up to them though not sure how much she's being opened up yet. Mind you, since Google bought Waze, I feel it's been neglected.
Because Waze was good enough compared to the Apple and Google Maps. Though ironically Google Maps has the option to set to avoid tolls by default on iOS they don't have such capability on Android.
 
LOL....Android users getting very salty over Apple's upcoming new features.

Well..........'Android'...rhymes with 'Hemorrhoid' and those 'bad boys' often occur when frustrated by using something that is a piece of crapola.
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I understand they are taking a utilitarian approach. I have iOS devices because they seem more focused than android devices IMO. I'm over it - i'm just expressing my opinion is all.
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Well put - I couldn't agree more.

Excellent commentary! So true.

'Too many cooks spoil the broth', as the old saying goes. Steve, rest his Soul, was a 'minimalist'. Years ago his house had no furniture and Steve sat on the hard floor. Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, and other 'visionary' types are not 'lovable' folk...but they had clear focus on their goals.

Apple today looks like a 'committee' describing an elephant. In this case, a White Elephant. If nothing else, 'Tim' needs to cut back on the 'advocacy' and 'social cause' stuff. Also, stop his too many boondoggle junket 'trips' and focus on strict management by lowering the 'too many discordant voices' at Apple. In a word..stop trying to be 'loved'.
 
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