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This is absolute bullcrap. That Post article nailed it. Everyone already hates At&T and wants to jump ship as soon as possible when the iphone becomes available on a different network, so how wise is it for them to screw this giant customer base Apple hand delivered them?

this will come back to bite not just At&t on the ass, but Apple also. They can try and spin it all they want but there will not be an en masse upgrade to the new models at these prices. Apple will get stuck with inventory and have no one to blame but themselves for sitcking with At&t. Hopefully as a result it will only hasten Apples' move to allow the iphone sold through other carriers.

Not if AT&T is able to stay exclusive with Apple and lord knows they are going to need all your money to do it.

And I think Apple is probably on top of their inventory controls.
 
I really don't understand why no one can grasp the concept of a subsidized phone. It's not difficult to understand.

You sign a contract for a set number of years.
The carrier discounts your phone and because they will earn it back over the set time.
After the set time, you can get another subsidy.

I have a 3G phone. I cannot upgrade at the subsidized price. I may hate AT&T, but its not because of this.
 
Do you not understand? It's because you're in a contract.
The iPhone would only be $199 if it was SUBSIDIZED BY AT&T FOR SIGNING A NEW CONTRACT. Somebody has to pay that $499 or whatever it is to Apple. And AT&T aren't gonna do it again for you. Wait until your contract is up.

Wait until some other phone company offers a phone superior than the iphone and then we will see who changes the terms of their contract to attract customers 🙂
 
What's wrong with you. You SIGNED a 2 year contract. 2 YEARS from the date of signature... which can differ for anyone who purchased the phone at variable times. People who have finished their 2 year contract get a better price.. because they can leave the company at any time.. and NOT be held liable for a surcharge. People who DON'T have AT&T get a discounted price to get them to switch... YOU DON'T Get a price.. because your in a contract.. "CONTRACT".

You really don't get it. I know I'm in a contract. I know people who have finished their contract or have never been in one get a better price. I don't have a friggin' problem with that, so you are talking to the wrong person. I only am trying to figure out why people who bought the 3G last July at the same time I did it are getting quoted different prices and different upgrade times, when we should be on a level playing field by virtue of when we bought the damn phone. Try to figure out who you're actually responding to.
 
I really don't understand why no one can grasp the concept of a subsidized phone. It's not difficult to understand.

You sign a contract for a set number of years.
The carrier discounts your phone and because they will earn it back over the set time.
After the set time, you can get another subsidy.

I have a 3G phone. I cannot upgrade at the subsidized price. I may hate AT&T, but its not because of this.

Thank you. A voice of reason!!! 🙂 I *LIKED* AT&T.. until they screwed me out of MMS... which I guarantee I will have to pay Extra for.
 
I really don't understand why no one can grasp the concept of a subsidized phone. It's not difficult to understand.

You sign a contract for a set number of years.
The carrier discounts your phone and because they will earn it back over the set time.
After the set time, you can get another subsidy.

I have a 3G phone. I cannot upgrade at the subsidized price. I may hate AT&T, but its not because of this.

whose side are you on? The customers or the phone carriers? 🙂
you should understand..... 😉
 
I only am trying to figure out why people who bought the 3G last July at the same time I did it are getting quoted different prices and different upgrade times, when we should be on a level playing field by virtue of when we bought the damn phone.

Maybe you and those other people have different plans? Different plan, different subsidy rates.
 
Wow, the level of whining here is just epic. Every single phone carrier does the exact same thing with every single phone. Why is this news to you ppl??

Look how much a less advanced ipod touch costs because there is no subsidy. We should be grateful to at least have the subsidys.

I have my gripes about ATT, but it's certainly not about this. Granted spending less money is better than spending more, but I never expected a free hand out from ATT and Apple... nor should anyone else.

I'm more upset $30 a month being a little too expensive for data.... and about MMS not working yet.
 
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As Foghorn Leghorn once said " I Demand Satisfaction!"
I don't know but all of the sudden there seems to be lots of posts defending ATT and calling out criticism of said company as a bunch of whiners... Maybe ATT employees or management ?

Not part of AT&T.
I just don't understand why people are getting so bent our of shape for a practice that has been the way cell phone subsidies have worked for long before the Iphone came out. I am all for criticizing AT&T on the Tethering and MMS fiasco. Or the fact that there is no 3G in my area. But if a person makes a deal they should follow it. 3G owners made a deal that got them a cheaper up front price.
 
You really don't get it. I know I'm in a contract. I know people who have finished their contract or have never been in one get a better price. I don't have a friggin' problem with that, so you are talking to the wrong person. I only am trying to figure out why people who bought the 3G last July at the same time I did it are getting quoted different prices and different upgrade times, when we should be on a level playing field by virtue of when we bought the damn phone. Try to figure out who you're actually responding to.

Ya.. figure out who I'm responding to.... please. Yes.. there is a fiasco about when you can "upgrade" depending on who you ask.. Apple or AT&T. I'm not sure of your situation, but if you bought your phone in July... I'm guessing you have a year left on your contract. The general norm (at least on this site) is that you can upgrade at the subsidized price at 18months. That makes it around december/January for you... Since Apple/AT&T are not on the same page with this, I'm not certain which one is the reliable source.
 
That would probably explain it, so thank you for pointing it out. But I'm still suspicious. It seems like a majority of iPhone 3G users have reported that they're eligible for a $399/499 upgrade now, versus the $599/699 full retail price some of us are being unceremoniously quoted. Are a majority of iPhone 3G users really paying over $99 a month right now?

If I remember right, most Iphone plans are over $100. I thought the "normal" plan was around $100-$110. With only one plan being cheaper at $65. So most of those 3G customers would be eligible for the upgrade in July.
 
Ya.. figure out who I'm responding to.... please. Yes.. there is a fiasco about when you can "upgrade" depending on who you ask.. Apple or AT&T. I'm not sure of your situation, but if you bought your phone in July... I'm guessing you have a year left on your contract. The general norm (at least on this site) is that you can upgrade at the subsidized price at 18months. That makes it around december/January for you... Since Apple/AT&T are not on the same page with this, I'm not certain which one is the reliable source.

No, next April for me, whereas it's much earlier for most people in the same boat. Go figure. Please, somebody, go figure.
 
Wow, the level of whining here is just epic. Every single phone carrier does the exact same thing with every single phone. Why is this news to you ppl??

Umm.. and this is the problem. Because everyone else does it (in the US) it is ok and we should be happy?
 
Umm.. and this is the problem. Because everyone else does it (in the US) it is ok and we should be happy?

So revolt. Buy the 3G S unsubsidized and use it on another carrier. You do have the option of buying these phones unsubsidized, at least most of the time. And then you aren't tied to a company like AT&T.
 
uh, so....is anyone able to explain why I can't have my two phones for my family plan delivered? the site keeps telling me I have to drive 90 miles to Atlanta to pick it up in store, and then that a reservation "does not guarantee availability".

Am I missing something? I'm a VZW customer trying to switch...I feel like I'll be switching back in a year though with all of the rumors...but I really like the 3GS.
 
That would probably explain it, so thank you for pointing it out. But I'm still suspicious. It seems like a majority of iPhone 3G users have reported that they're eligible for a $399/499 upgrade now, versus the $599/699 full retail price some of us are being unceremoniously quoted. Are a majority of iPhone 3G users really paying over $99 a month right now?

No, next April for me, whereas it's much earlier for most people in the same boat. Go figure. Please, somebody, go figure.

Figuring....
When Did you buy it? I will assume July at this point.
What plan do you have? I am going to assume the lowest ($69.99 I think) at this point.

So if we use the guidelines that we have:
No upgrade fee if-

Customer has had a standard calling plan plus data services costing at least $68.99 a month but no more than $98.99 a month, and who has been in contract (and not had a phone upgrade) for 21 months or more

24-21=3 months

So July ->June->May->April - so- April is 3 months before july.

April 2010 is 21 months into your contract and when you are eligible for an upgrade without fees.
 
Figuring....
When Did you buy it? I will assume July at this point.
What plan do you have? I am going to assume the lowest ($69.99 I think) at this point.

So if we use the guidelines that we have:
No upgrade fee if-

Customer has had a standard calling plan plus data services costing at least $68.99 a month but no more than $98.99 a month, and who has been in contract (and not had a phone upgrade) for 21 months or more

24-21=3 months

So July ->June->May->April - so- April is 3 months before july.

April 2010 is 21 months into your contract and when you are eligible for an upgrade without fees.


Makes sense.. thanks!
 
I don't understand. Current 3G owners already are in for a 2 year contract.

If you mean they won't be signing up for an additional contract, then I guess I get your meaning.

But as a business AT&T understands there is a difference between an opportunity cost(the new contract) vs. a loss(not getting full payment for a current contract). I would imagine they are taking this chance on pissing off the current 3G owners because they are going to try to keep this arrangement with Apple exclusive. And in that case, if you want the iPhone, now or in the future, you will pay what is asked of you.

True. But if AT&T isn't able to extend its soon to be expiring exclusivity with Apple, it obviously made a mistake.

Lots of people whining and complaining helps send the message to Apple that many of their customers do not want to deal with AT&T anymore.
 
Here's my thing...

I want this phone. Right now I have a Verizon phone that sucks because it is two years old.

The question is: how much will the plan for this phone cost? 39.99 + 30.00 data + 20.00 text? Or are they changing the price of the plan?

If not I don't know I might get the Palm Pre just because the unlimited plan is 69.99
 
Paying about $100 for the plan is ridiculous and is what's keeping a lot of people away. That's why I don't have an iPhone pretty much. The upfront part price on the phone doesn't matter to much in the long run. Plus, no one seems to want to deal with AT&T, which needs to be able to handle MMS and data Tethering on the iPhone. I realize that would put a lot of strain on the network, but they need to get this resolved quick. Hopefully they will.

As far as buying the phone is concerned, this is standard protocol. You're still paying for the phone pretty much. That's what you're doing. That's why there is a charge.
 
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