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I'll stop buying optical media when iTunes stops charging the same amount for a film as a bluray disc with a nice cover with extra features lol.:p

Along with the blu-ray being true uncompressed 1080P and lets say it is an older movie, iTunes $19.99, used $5.00, I think I will go with the blu-ray. It is not just Apple that overprices digital content, hardly anyone does it right.
 
Why does my desktop need to be lighter? I'm not using it on my lap... Give me an optical drive please.

Because it's sexy as hell! :p
Seriously though, my boss nearly vomited when he saw this as he just got a new 27" iMac and the Retina Macbook Pro 15" (as a traveler, because he didn't like the 13" MBP's lower res screen) 10 days ago. I made him feel better by mentioning the new iMac won't be available in 27" until December, and that by waiting until the product refresh in March/April he wold get the 4th gen Core i processor, and maybe a Retina display. But really...it's a desk top. Why chop out the DVD.. and with the current screen res...where is the BluRay?? Seriously, Apple boffins. Your hardware is made for it...why deny the faithful?? WHY????????????:confused:
 
Along with the blu-ray being true uncompressed 1080P and lets say it is an older movie, iTunes $19.99, used $5.00, I think I will go with the blu-ray. It is not just Apple that overprices digital content, hardly anyone does it right.

And don't forget 4k movies are on the horizon... Streaming them will become impossible.
 
And don't forget 4k movies are on the horizon... Streaming them will become impossible.

I do wonder how mainstream 4K could be, I know they have televisions that can do 4K or more. Movies would not be much harder, with that said most people are not close to ready to upgrade again. I would love higher resolution screens to become more common place. Funny how bad things can look once I look at my iPhone 4s.
 
There will still be physical media..The difference is it has switched hands...Your digital content is on their physical media not yours....

It still wont change the fact that eventually physical media for the current purposes used by consumers today will be redundant. The old generations accustomed to them will die and the new will simply find it foreign to use such devices for the purposes they're being used to today. Therefore blue ray will die out in the same way VHS, casetes and other inferior storage devices that preceeded them.
 
Same price .. Get less .. You get thinner chassis, means less use of aluminum, no dvd drive. And puny 128GB SSD which can be bought around $100 today. Less upgradeable, more greedy price tagging for not including GTX680MX on standard high end 27".

Well no thanks...
 
Now waiting for matching thunderbolt display!

I'm way overdue to upgrade, but my dual 24" displays (iMac + secondary) still trumps any single 27". An upgrade now has to be TWO 27" -- or nothing.

And, of course, they have to match in appearance! :p
 
It still wont change the fact that eventually physical media for the current purposes used by consumers today will be redundant. The old generations accustomed to them will die and the new will simply find it foreign to use such devices for the purposes they're being used to today. Therefore blue ray will die out in the same way VHS, casetes and other inferior storage devices that preceeded them.

I can see this happening, new generations will not care that much, a big issue is money, I have to find almost everything for a deal, I do not pay twenty dollars for movies in any format let alone digital, ten is pushing it and that has to be blu-ray. I like saving money while many others will just buy whatever they want and the ease of use will be a huge draw.

I like to own things to a higher degree, if I pay for it I want control over it, trade it, sell it, give it away etc.. digital does not allow for that. These are all matters that most will not even care about and I know that.

I lot of people just rent films as well, once again my rental limit is about two dollars at best. Some say netflix is not that great for quality, most are okay with it being good enough. Even I am moving in a direction that is about seeing it even if it is not the best quality available.

I wonder if there will be a time when I no longer care, I am getting away from needing to own every movie I like so time will tell.

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Same price .. Get less .. You get thinner chassis, means less use of aluminum, no dvd drive. And puny 128GB SSD which can be bought around $100 today. Less upgradeable, more greedy price tagging for not including GTX680MX on standard high end 27".

Well no thanks...

Of late I have seen some 128GB in the $75 range and that would be our cost, I imagine Apple gets really good deals on the items they purchase.
 
I just want to say I'm so happy I gave up waiting for this piece of garbage 3 months ago and built my hackintosh.

An $1800 desktop computer that has the performance of an obsolete notebook? Wow. It's a DESKTOP. Makes no difference to me if it's 5mm thick or 5 inches thick. All I care about is performance.

So, i7-3770, GTX 670 (not a crappy M model), SSD and massive HDD, all for under $1000 or this underpowered pile of junk for $1800? $90 for Mountain Lion and the trackpad was all I needed to spend with Apple.

Oh and Apple invented hybrid HD technology? Oh wait, no they didn't. Been out for years, and if you care at all about performance you have separate volumes for you SSD and HDD.


I'm seriously considering doing this myself too. Apple has gotten way too out of hand over everything being thin. Thickness has never been an issue.
 
I'm seriously considering doing this myself too. Apple has gotten way too out of hand over everything being thin. Thickness has never been an issue.

There is going to be a point where we get as thin as it can go, where it is thin enough to be usable. Ipad, iPhone, Macbooks etc.. if the phones get too thin it starts to feel a little off. They seem a little too obsessed with thinness to where it can take them twenty minutes talking about it.

Oh, that a nice looking desktop, okay you removed that and that, less power, cannot do that........... :confused: yeah, not so good. Looks cool though, there are more important factors when buying a computer.
 
Nope. USB Superdrive is the only optical option.

Rotten Apple!
So we have an iMac that you can plaster on the wall but you need an external cd/dvd unit?
How much time they thing we spend looking at the iMac from the sides?

I do burn dvd of my family movies, you know, on my yester-century imac 2007.
 
What I like to know from the optical drive users is why they are still using them? You can download everything you need from the web, and with fast internet connections it doesn't take hours anymore either.

The timing for losing the optical drive is about right. Get with the times.

1. I value my music. Music downloaded from the web does not sound as good as importing my CDs (of which I have 1000s) in lossless.
2. I own lots of movies on DVD. Sometimes I like to pop a movie in and watch it.
3. I'm an actor. I always receive copies of my work on dvds. I pop them in and download them to my computer.

I don't understand the value to Apple of losing it - other than saving a very few bucks.
 
I have to say... Im pretty disappointed the fusion drive doesn't come standard...and even more disappointed I can't upgrade to it from the base model. I am a student and don't have tons of $$ around to pay min of ~$1550 for an imac with SSD-like capabilities.

The real questions is what will be the speed difference in the 5400 rpm 1tb standard hard drive on the 2012 vs. the 7200 rpm HDD from the 2011 model? Im really thinking of getting a refurb high end 21.5" from 2011 since I know I could upgrade the HDD to a SSD or add one in place of the optical drive. I also like the option to upgrade the RAM myself. I think apple messed up with the base 21.5" model this time around.

what should i do????
 
Originally Posted by dutchbb
What I like to know from the optical drive users is why they are still using them? You can download everything you need from the web, and with fast internet connections it doesn't take hours anymore either.

The timing for losing the optical drive is about right. Get with the times.

I use my computers for watching movies as well, and I find good deals on movies, not downloading over priced films any time soon. I can also find cheap music, digital cannot beat finding that dollar CD at full quality.

Even if one went all digital it does not change what you already own.
 
I can see this happening, new generations will not care that much, a big issue is money, I have to find almost everything for a deal, I do not pay twenty dollars for movies in any format let alone digital, ten is pushing it and that has to be blu-ray. I like saving money while many others will just buy whatever they want and the ease of use will be a huge draw.

I like to own things to a higher degree, if I pay for it I want control over it, trade it, sell it, give it away etc.. digital does not allow for that. These are all matters that most will not even care about and I know that.

I lot of people just rent films as well, once again my rental limit is about two dollars at best. Some say netflix is not that great for quality, most are okay with it being good enough. Even I am moving in a direction that is about seeing it even if it is not the best quality available.

I wonder if there will be a time when I no longer care, I am getting away from needing to own every movie I like so time will tell.

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Of late I have seen some 128GB in the $75 range and that would be our cost, I imagine Apple gets really good deals on the items they purchase.

Isn't it strange that we pay premium prices for the hardware with very minute attention to detail and thin bezel and retina display and diamond edged chamfers and what not , but are willing to just ignore the ability to play high quality content on them? We seem to be satisfied with average quality content streamed from the cloud. Convenience is a major factor, but still.
 
Isn't it strange that we pay premium prices for the hardware with very minute attention to detail and thin bezel and retina display and diamond edged chamfers and what not , but are willing to just ignore the ability to play high quality content on them? We seem to be satisfied with average quality content streamed from the cloud. Convenience is a major factor, but still.

I find that really odd, someone will buy an amazing television then stretch out a horrible 480 issue to fill the entire screen so now everyone looks far too short. While I prefer 1080P blu-rays that look amazing.

I really do like the displays in the newer Macbooks, I wonder why Apple had to be the first to do so with a laptop, someone could have beat them too it.
 
I do wonder how mainstream 4K could be, I know they have televisions that can do 4K or more. Movies would not be much harder, with that said most people are not close to ready to upgrade again. I would love higher resolution screens to become more common place. Funny how bad things can look once I look at my iPhone 4s.

NHK Japan was broadcasting HD content starting from the 80's. Now they have started 4k content. Maybe it will take another 25 years for 4k to catch on.
 
NHK Japan was broadcasting HD content starting from the 80's. Now they have started 4k content. Maybe it will take another 25 years for 4k to catch on.

I think it will be easier for new content, television shows, even new movies, the idea of people buying their movies again to get 4K is something I feel a lot of people will not be doing. Some would though. If one could get 4K why not? The states has hardly had live 1080P yet, I imagine 4K is a long ways off.
 
No it's user configurable there is a little door where the RAM slots now reside on the back. Users can get access to RAM for upgrades.

27" is the way to go.

I see your point about the 27", but I don't necessarily agree. Fact is, if someone just wants a machine for general computing, the stock 8GB that comes in the 21.5 is as much as they'll ever need. Also, if Apple is willing to only get $100 for the upgrade, you can just put 16GB in and call it a day.

I would choose the 27, just because I want the bigger screen.
 
With the new design, Apple just lowered their corporate shipping costs... these are 12 and 21 lbs... the old ones are 20 and 30 lbs. Huge freight weight savings, probably box size for containers, to.

In other words, this design will pay for itself with reduced freight charges at the port and gas charges from trucking/shipping.

How many units will they sell? How much weight is saved? Tons and tons.


That's great. I'm so glad to see they passed those savings on to the consumer by raising the price by $100.
 
That's great. I'm so glad to see they passed those savings on to the consumer by raising the price by $100.

Exactly what I was thinking, like, good for them, less functional desktop at a higher price, yet they get to make more money. yay..........?

Apple is just making it hard to like the direction they keep going in.
 
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