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Why isn't the full tech specs of each new Macbook available on the Apple site ? anyone ? else missing these ?


also would the Firewire port on the new MBP be backward compatible with a FW 400 cable ? just asking as I have some external hdd's that are FW400 and this might persuade me to buy the pro ?? help
 
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Now isn't FCP designed for "PRO" users?

Get real.

Not necessarily. Educational institutions (high schools and colleges) have been using it for years to teach students to prepare them for a video career. Aopple has always promoted it for education and student. Final Cut Express (which is the interface of FCPro with some functionality removed) could be purchased installed on the MacBooks. Many students in the past have purchased their own MacBook to accelerate learning. They won't be doing it anymore. And I'll be recommending good PC laptops with Adobe software in the future. They can't afford MBP's. That's as real as it gets. Firewire is such an inexpensive addition that there is absolutely no valid reason to exclude it, except in an attempt to force content creators to buy the MBP. this is very disappointing since education was one of the markets that kept Apple going for many years.
 
I never understood the lack of a Superdrive in the old base model MacBooks, I understand the lack of firewire even less.
Was looking to upgrade from a 12" PB, wondering if it should be to the white one.

Don't get the 2.1GHz. That is the worst deal that I have ever seen (even worse than the new aluminum MacBooks). Hit the refurb store and get an amazing deal on the 2.4GHz plastic MacBooks. They are $1049 (white) and $1099 (black). Awesome deals to be had there.

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That's fine if you're a professional with extra cash. My high school students can barely afford a MacBook. Now, they're out of the game, at least on the Mac side of things.

We are to vested in Apple equipment and software to consider a switch at this point. Not sure if our lowly Canon ZRs (varied models) can do USB video or not, but all of our Panasonic equipment is firewire only.

If Apple hoped to force us to MBP when the plastic Macbook is inevitably discontinued, they hoped wrong. No way we can afford that kind of jump in price per computer.
 
Nothing amazing, but it's enough to likely sell over a million units by the end of this year and four or five million next year, so Apple (nor their stockholders) will be whining about it.
Yea.

I envy those people in the new MB ad, they can use the new MB!!!!. Nooo, I want to be in that ad :cool:
 
Hey, the new MacBooks look ways better than the old ones.
But I'll get the new MBP.
Could someone tell me how fast the SSD hds are? Would it be better to get a 7200 rpm or a SSD?
 
Not necessarily. Educational institutions (high schools and colleges) have been using it for years to teach students to prepare them for a video career. Aopple has always promoted it for education and student. Final Cut Express (which is the interface of FCPro with some functionality removed) could be purchased installed on the MacBooks. Many students in the past have purchased their own MacBook to accelerate learning. They won't be doing it anymore. And I'll be recommending good PC laptops with Adobe software in the future. They can't afford MBP's. That's as real as it gets. Firewire is such an inexpensive addition that there is absolutely no valid reason to exclude it, except in an attempt to force content creators to buy the MBP. this is very disappointing since education was one of the markets that kept Apple going for many years.

You're telling me your students have been using the plastic Macbook with crappy graphics, a slow FSB and slow memory to use FCP ?

What school is that.
 
Why isn't the full tech specs of each new Macbook available on the Apple site ? anyone ? else missing these ?


also would the Firewire port on the new MBP be backward compatible with a FW 400 cable ? just asking as I have some external hdd's that are FW400 and this might persuade me to buy the pro ?? help
I would imagine it would work, I've done it the other way - PB's FW400 to a hard drive's FW800.
 
My new middle 2.4 white macbook from earlier in the year cost me £799... that was quite a lot more than I could have paid for a PC, but I wanted to try my first Mac... the new middle macbook is £949... that's a stunningly big price rise.

I'm really happy with my macbook, but as a quite new mac user, I have to say that if it had been £949 a few months ago I probably wouldn't have switched to it.

I really can't imagine they are going to sell many macbooks in the UK at those prices... particularly with the current economic turmoil.

I can't even begin to imagine who would buy a macbook pro as the prices for those are really really crazy, but then they were before as well.

I'm glad I shouldn't need to replace my current macbook for a few years, as at the moment I don't want to go back to my old windows / linux dual boot. But cost is a consideration, I'm not made of money and as much as I'd like to stay with the mac, there's only so much of a price premium I'd be prepared to pay to do so.
 
Wow... Look what I found.. I think han_solo94 was correct.

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And is it me? or do I see a crack/line on the edge of this MacBook.. *flashback to the plastic MacBooks*

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I have had the latest of this model for years...

Going back to Ibook 900. I have tons of drives, music, samplers, video, keyboards, midi convertors, and probably other things, that require firewire.

I hope to god the update puts it back in, or I am going to have to stock pile old machines. I sure as hell not going to spend a thousand dollars or more for a freaking firewire port. The Ibook/Macbook has always done me well. This whole no firewire thing is stupid.:mad:
 
Eh, the cost alone will keep me on my year old white book.

I'm sure Steve and the boys had their reason to ditch FW. From a consumer to Apple dumb move. At least add and extra USB port!

As far as room why not move a port to the back or front?

And does anyone use the lock?
 
I can see other educational facilities doing the same in Audio and Video, which in five years time will cause Apple problems.

They've worked really hard on their Pro Apps, still problems here and there, but if students can't afford to buy the gear that will run the Pro apps they'll use an alternative, and when these people are working in their relative industries they'll use the software that they know, on the platform they've learned it on.

That was partly the reason that FCP , and to some extent Logic Pro have been successful, they've undercut the market leaders (Avid and Digidesign), and enabled people to use the software at home, or school at an affordable level (a big plus if you're a student).

++++ Very well stated. You're absolutely right. The education market is where Final Cut got it's boost. But the other software developers aren't sitting still. It's a very competitive market and there are others looking to get their foot in the door the way Apple did.
 
so you're still stuck inside that GHz myth eh ? :)

What myth? You're comparing the same processor at different speeds.

MacBook White: 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
MacBook Al: 2.0GHz or 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed

If we're only looking at the processor itself, we're comparing apples to faster apples. The same chip running at a higher frequency can do more computations in the same time.
 
MacWorld 09, we heard your cries, so now the new MB will be cheaper and it will have a FW800 port. Yea, it sad that the MBP now have only 1 FW port even thought I never used it.

Also we now make our glasses anti-reflective so that regardless of your working condition, you will be able to work :D.
 
What myth? You're comparing the same processor at different speeds.

MacBook White: 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
MacBook Al: 2.0GHz or 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed

If we're only looking at the processor itself, we're comparing apples to faster apples. The same chip running at a higher frequency can do more computations in the same time.

Is it the same chip?
 
You're telling me your students have been using the plastic Macbook with crappy graphics, a slow FSB and slow memory to use FCP ?

What school is that.

Not just my school. We are a member of the Student Television Network and there are thousands of student using MacBooks to edit video with. They run Final Cut with SD video just fine. It was things like Motion that you can't run on the crappy graphics card.
 
We are to vested in Apple equipment and software to consider a switch at this point. Not sure if our lowly Canon ZRs (varied models) can do USB video or not, but all of our Panasonic equipment is firewire only.

If Apple hoped to force us to MBP when the plastic Macbook is inevitably discontinued, they hoped wrong. No way we can afford that kind of jump in price per computer.

I agree 100%. And, no, the ZRs don't do USB. Firewire only
 
Not just my school. We are a member of the Student Television Network and there are thousands of student using MacBooks to edit video with. They run Final Cut with SD video just fine. It was things like Motion that you can't run on the crappy graphics card.

Standard definition. That explains it. you do realize the US is going HD in January don't you?
 
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Perhaps not, but many of my drives are firewire only. Also, you can daisy chain firewire drives, you can't do this with usb.



There are lots of students doing video & audio editing on laptops.



The fact is, Apple will lose sales over this. Pretty dumb on their part, considering the firewire port probably costs them all of $10 to include.

Right on! And how much does their cheap remote cost them? $3?

The only thing that I can think made apple omit the firewire port ,
isn't there a new spec for firewire over ethernet?
Anyone? Great, you'll need another widget!
this is dumb short term thinking.
 
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Perhaps not, but many of my drives are firewire only. Also, you can daisy chain firewire drives, you can't do this with usb.



There are lots of students doing video & audio editing on laptops.



The fact is, Apple will lose sales over this. Pretty dumb on their part, considering the firewire port probably costs them all of $10 to include.

It cost Apple 10 cent per Macbook to include Firewire. Those 10 cents are gonna cost them dearly. I'm head of ASB at my Technical College and we currently use Macs. Today Apple probably lost a couple $100,000 just from us alone.
 
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