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Apple Announces New Apple TV 4K With A15 Bionic Chip and HDR10+ for $129
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Not a fair comparison as the UK price includes VAT while the U.S. price does not include sales tax.
The pre-VAT price is around £140 which is around $158 USD compared to $149 pre-sales tax in the U.S.
This was demonstrated 3 years ago... https://www.anandtech.com/show/1453...s-rtd2173-displayport-14-to-hdmi-21-converter
Just ordered the 128GB version on the Veteran Apple Store for $134.
I have been waiting for larger storage for a very long time.
I have been waiting for larger storage for a very long time.
We all hate the “if Steve was alive” stuff, but does anyone think there’d be two Apple TV models if Steve was around? These penny-pinching decisions and baked-in up sells in categories like this make the product lineup confusing and muddled. There’s nothing elegant about the state of Apple’s product lineup. It’s confusing and at times flat out embarrassing.
On another note, no mention of the ability to output full HD audio so I’m assuming we’re still stuck at 24/48. Very cool that Apple begins offering HD audio up to 24/192 with no elegant way of listening to it. Very Apple. Very Tim Cook.
Many of us lament Tim Cook’s bean counting, but if they don’t get a product person in as the next CEO, this general sort of disjointed product malarkey will only get worse.
On another note, no mention of the ability to output full HD audio so I’m assuming we’re still stuck at 24/48. Very cool that Apple begins offering HD audio up to 24/192 with no elegant way of listening to it. Very Apple. Very Tim Cook.
Many of us lament Tim Cook’s bean counting, but if they don’t get a product person in as the next CEO, this general sort of disjointed product malarkey will only get worse.
Also will Netflix support HDR10+? What about the other apps? Hope it’s not gonna be an Apple Tv Plus-only feature. That would be a bummer.
Agree. I don’t see any reason to upgrade.
This is why they didn’t do an event. They would get boo’d off stage for trying to hype up these devices other than the new iPad.
Is there a reason they don't allow us to download movies purchased on iTunes to our Apple tv's? I rarely have connection issues but some family movie nights it happens, I'd love to be able to download a movie prior to avoid possible issues.
Question: My 2017 Sony TV (HDMI 2.0) can pass Atmos from built in Android TV apps to my Sonos system. My 1st Gen Apple TV 4K cannot (all audio is converted to 5.1 instead). Do the newer 4k models pass through Atmos on HDMI 2.0 tv's or is HDMI 2.1 a requirement. To be honest, I detest the built in Android TV but use it because of the audio advantage.
Feel the same way. Lots of whining but I'm really pleased about all those upgrades over my 2017 4k model.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a TV without DV support. I think Amazon is the only streaming service that supports HDR10+ and seems like they are tipping towards DV with Rings of Power.
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They only know how to make what they buy.
They bought PA Semi so they make good chips.
Apple was once known for innovative software experiences because they had bought NeXT, but that seems to have run its course.
On every platform people wonder: What is the utility of the powerful chips?
With the Apple TV they are literally telling you: Go out and use our competitors controllers (XBox and Playstation) and come play our third-rate games with them on our box. Why? Because we have an A15 so we'll put it in a box.
I actually thought they might have done something with it this time.
It's like at Taco Bell they have a million things on the menu but it's just the same few ingredients.
Tim Cook is uninspired.
They bought PA Semi so they make good chips.
Apple was once known for innovative software experiences because they had bought NeXT, but that seems to have run its course.
On every platform people wonder: What is the utility of the powerful chips?
With the Apple TV they are literally telling you: Go out and use our competitors controllers (XBox and Playstation) and come play our third-rate games with them on our box. Why? Because we have an A15 so we'll put it in a box.
I actually thought they might have done something with it this time.
It's like at Taco Bell they have a million things on the menu but it's just the same few ingredients.
Tim Cook is uninspired.
Just a guess, but maybe something to do with licensing/distribution rights that Apple has for those films.
$18 more for double the memory and ethernet? Try doubling the memory on an iPad or iPhone for that price. Wow...
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The $20 USB charging cable is no longer included with the AppleTV ...Hence the larger than expected price cut.
but adds A15, Double Storage, USB-C on remote. Base model removes Thread, Ethernet.
The $20 USB charging cable is no longer included with the AppleTV ...Hence the larger than expected price cut.
but adds A15, Double Storage, USB-C on remote. Base model removes Thread, Ethernet.
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if I’m not mistaken, there *was* two Apple TVs when Steve was around.
A 40GB version and a 160GB version.
It also started at $299, and required a Mac or PC with iTunes to load it with any content.
It was one of Apple’s biggest flops in the Jobs era.
As for I/O up charging, Steve’s Apple did that too.
With the old PowerMacs, you had to buy the more expensive model for more capable superdrives and such.
Same with the iPod, certain features were restricted to models with more storage.
In fact, the third gen iPod Touch got a faster processor and voice control support… But only if you opted for the 32 or 64 GB model. The 8 GB model got nothing, and lost software support a year and a half earlier.
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As some have noted, the previous Apple TV 4k already supports HDR10+ via tvOS 16.
For those wondering where HDR10+ content comes from: Amazon, one of the largest tech companies in the world. Some newer Android devices also shoot video in HDR10+. It's the only dynamic metadata format supported by Samsung TVs which...are the #1 best-selling TVS in the world.
Ironically, HDR10+ is "more open" than Dolby Vision but....for whatever reason, just about everyone supports Dolby Vision (Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney+) if they support a dynamic metadata HDR format and...the only streaming service I know of that supports HDR10+ is Amazon Prime Video. Lots of 4k Blurays support HDR10+, but that's not really relevant to discussion about a streaming box.
Having said all this...despite tvOS 16 supporting HDR10+ on the current Apple TV 4k...they (Amazon) still have not updated their app to support HDR10+. Source: I have Prime Video and the outgoing Apple TV 4k...the only way I can get HDR10+ on Amazon Prime Video is...by using the slugging app built into my TV. The Apple TV app still throws an HDR10 signal.
For those wondering where HDR10+ content comes from: Amazon, one of the largest tech companies in the world. Some newer Android devices also shoot video in HDR10+. It's the only dynamic metadata format supported by Samsung TVs which...are the #1 best-selling TVS in the world.
Ironically, HDR10+ is "more open" than Dolby Vision but....for whatever reason, just about everyone supports Dolby Vision (Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney+) if they support a dynamic metadata HDR format and...the only streaming service I know of that supports HDR10+ is Amazon Prime Video. Lots of 4k Blurays support HDR10+, but that's not really relevant to discussion about a streaming box.
Having said all this...despite tvOS 16 supporting HDR10+ on the current Apple TV 4k...they (Amazon) still have not updated their app to support HDR10+. Source: I have Prime Video and the outgoing Apple TV 4k...the only way I can get HDR10+ on Amazon Prime Video is...by using the slugging app built into my TV. The Apple TV app still throws an HDR10 signal.
Remember VR is a few months away and this will open the door for more intensive games usually resigned to consoles.
1080p to 4K is just a multiplication function, no AI upscaling needed. What native content resolutions would Apple TV support that needs AI upscaling?
It's useful on the NVIDIA Shield for gaming, because that's often not native 1080p, and for home media streaming (which is not a common use case for Apple TV).
For years there was no reason to buy anything but the base model Apple TV.
Now there's no reason to buy the base model. Make future you proud, spend the $20 to include the Ethernet port
Now there's no reason to buy the base model. Make future you proud, spend the $20 to include the Ethernet port
I have that one, as well as the previous updated version that came out 18 months ago or so and I'm not upgrading either of them.
I mentioned it a few replies before you, but even Amazon has caved and started adding DV to new show. Obviously Samsung sells the most TVs, but the high end market is dominated by Sony/LG and DV has a lot to do with it.
3-6 is even low. I don't think we gpt an alert since yesterday in the eight months since we moved in the new place.I think the 2021 would be perfectly finenot a big reason to upgrade. And you charge the remote once every 3 or 6 months right?
AHAHAHAH
Apple TV updated with old processors for years and sold at stratospheric prices to do nothing, in the end they had to present the real update after selling old hardware for years.
Has anything changed? No, the same limits as always.
A tv2/3 is also fine for what this useless box is now.
Apple TV updated with old processors for years and sold at stratospheric prices to do nothing, in the end they had to present the real update after selling old hardware for years.
Has anything changed? No, the same limits as always.
A tv2/3 is also fine for what this useless box is now.