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Apple Announces New Apple TV With Siri, App Store, New User Interface and Remote
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In March, Nintendo announced they'd have the first version of one of their games available for the iPhone/iPad sometime this year. Their stock went up 30% immediately. Today, with the announcement of Apple's revamped TV, they may want to rethink that move. The new Apple TV box can play Apps right on the big screen... games and other apps (including all the streaming services), plus movies, TV shows, photos from your own iPhone, music and much more... so who needs a WiiU?
Cannot wait to hook this up.
Cannot wait to hook this up.
well, when the ATV 3S comes out, they need something to push people.
"Now siri talks"
"Last years iPhone Chip!"
"Thinner.... we took out the chin of sin!"
"Makes safari snappier over airplay!"
"4K that the old model could do but we disable and won't enable to make you upgrade!"
Porn networks can now sell apps.... oh wait, that's wishful thinking
The industry maybe hasn't but Apple just release an iPhone that shoots 4k, and iPadPro that edits 4k, they make an iMac that displays in 5k. Not having 4k in the new AppleTV is stupid. You can shoot and edit your own project in 4k with your Apple products, but you can't view them on your BIG TV AT HOME!!!! Weak Apple.
Yea, I would have much preferred to see gigabit in this. I'm almost surprised they were able to find a non-gigabit ethernet controller at this point. I can't imagine it's cheaper than gigabit. Gigabit controllers have been mass produced for a long time now, and they're in nearly everything with an ethernet port. I expect finding a non-gigabit controller would cost more at this point.
However, I highly doubt anything anyone streams would ever saturate the 100Mbps capability. So I don't think it makes much difference.
With Fire TV, a Roku 3, and a Roku 2 (for an old TV) I certainly don't need Apple TV. But, it looks darn cool! The Fire TV will do some searching through the remote, but nothing like the functionality demonstrated today.
Apple TV is a relatively inexpensive device, and I'd be in. But, over half the streaming in my home is though Amazon Instant Video. Unless Apple TV fully supports streaming through Amazon (don't see that happening), there's no reason for me to purchase it.
Apple TV is a relatively inexpensive device, and I'd be in. But, over half the streaming in my home is though Amazon Instant Video. Unless Apple TV fully supports streaming through Amazon (don't see that happening), there's no reason for me to purchase it.
Can you provide a recent link to support that cost? I'm not going to necessarily question your knowledge, but I'm not going to readily accept this claim without proof, either.
Judging from the shear amount of home AV and tech products that have HDMI 2.0 and 4K encoder chips in them, I have my doubts.
In this neighborhood... in that neighborhood... we can play that game all day. I don't exactly live in Orange County, CA or among the 1%. Also, if we waited for everyone in the world to be on equal ISP footing, tech would stagnate. As an American, I'm accustomed to getting hosed for how much bandwidth I get versus how much I pay. But getting 25Mbps isn't a hardship. Truly.
My overall point is this. A lot of people like myself are left scratching our heads over this because Apple is more than doubling the price for the new Apple TV, and for what? A beefier A8 chip and newish OS, sure; also a new glossy (ick) remote, and the app store. Meanwhile, they take out optical, leave the hardwire ethernet at Base100, and leave out HDMI 2.0/4K support. If people want to use Apple TV for 1080p content, they still have the A5 option, which still works just fine if that's their interest.
This was a time for Apple to shine with the Apple TV in the face of heated competition with Roku and Chromecast, and blooming markets like 4K. Quite underwhelming.
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Somebody who portrayed themselves as an engineer had the numbers once (posted here somewhere) and it strongly implied that last part is true. I'm pretty sure that the math was about 1080p video but that's still what we have in this model too. In short, the math said that gigabit would make no difference in terms of the streaming video playback... that 100Mbps was plenty for 1080p video.
Of course, remembering the math in a rumor posted by some anonymous person claiming to be an engineer is about as far from a confidence "fact"(?) as one can reference around here. So take that "as is" with an assumption that there could be no truth at all there.
Edit: see rigby's post down at #439 for some fresh math in this thread. And note that while this new model may have more horses, since the existing model will continue to be sold, streamed content from the store will still be generally much more compressed than blu ray, far, far below blu ray's maximum bit rate.
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I would need to audition this in a store. I have a Scottish accent but live in Canada. Siri constantly misunderstands me. This sketch is pretty close to the mark.
How is tvOS distinguished from the composition?
Android TV, released last year, has app store. and the next Android TV M will be released soon, and it will support bluetooth speaker/headphone, and expand external storage.
In fact Nvidia Shield TV running Android TV already supported Netflix 4K with HDMI 2.0 + HDCP 2.2.
For reference: Blu-ray has a maximum AV bit rate of 48Mbps (audio+video). So yes, 100Mbps will be plenty for 1080p streaming (today's services use generally less than 20Mbps).
4k will only happen once h265 / hevc is supported by apple / more mainstream
Windows 10 supports it so we should see 4k pop up soon in iTunes...
With internal storage, I can smell some jailbreakin goin on y'all
But I'm happy wuth my fire tv - despite having a measly 2gb of free space - yes you get 5gb free to buy at least 2 apps at thApp StoreApp Store
Windows 10 supports it so we should see 4k pop up soon in iTunes...
With internal storage, I can smell some jailbreakin goin on y'all
But I'm happy wuth my fire tv - despite having a measly 2gb of free space - yes you get 5gb free to buy at least 2 apps at thApp StoreApp Store
I ws really hoping they'd say, certain apps you bought on the iPad will work on the new AppleTV and you won't have to re-buy them.
You seem to be under the impression that the new Apple TV will run existing iPhone/iPad apps. But that is not possible, since the Apple TV does not have a touch display. Of course nobody can force Nintendo to make Apple TV versions of their games (even though they may want to if they decide that they want to become primarily a software company).
^^^^^^ THIS!
Also, I don't understand why they are not opening up the App Store to the current ATV. I'm not terribly concerned with playing games with it, but I would think that there would be a lot of streaming and on demand services that would like to make an app for the current generation.
Less than $200.....It's $199.99. Come on. What are you, an employee of Nvidia? Some shameless advertising there. Sure it looks promising on the forefront but I don't want Android nor do I want anything that ugly as a set top box.....AND the remote is sold separately for an additional $25. You forgot to mention that.
if I remember math correctly, $199.99 is less than $200. so the OP is correct. I have many apple devices, including ATV 2/3 for years. but I can tell you that I am using Nvidia shield TV now and it rocks. I don't need to list all features it has that ATV 4 doesn't. and No, I don't play games on it.
Apple today announced the much-anticipated fourth-generation Apple TV at its "Hey Siri" media event in San Francisco, California. The new Apple TV was constructed on a foundation encompassing powerful hardware, a modern operating system, a new user experience with deep Siri integration, tools for developers, and most importantly, an App Store.
The Apple TV runs "tvOS," with a revamped iOS 9-style interface. Design wise, it looks similar to the existing set-top box, but it's thicker and ships with a much more advanced touch-based remote that Apple's calling the "Siri Remote." The top of the remote includes a glass touch surface for swiping through content as you would on an iPhone, and there's a built-in button for calling up Siri.
Siri integration is a key part of the new Apple TV interface, as it lets users ask Siri to bring up content. It's possible to search through multiple apps to find a TV show or movie, and at launch, supported apps include Netflix, iTunes, Hulu, HBO, and Showtime. Siri can answer questions about who's starring in a movie, bring up extraneous information like the weather outside, and ask Siri to replay parts of a movie that were missed or fast forward through content. For example, asking Siri "What did she say?" will rewind a movie 15 seconds and temporarily bring up subtitles.
Siri has a wide range of commands that will make searching for content on the Apple TV simple. You can ask Siri to "Show me New Girl," or "Find the best funny movies from the '80s."In addition to Siri integration, the other major software improvement to the Apple TV is a full App Store that includes games and popular apps. To facilitate gameplay on the Apple TV, the new remote includes an accelerometer and a gyroscope that can detect motion, much like a Wii Remote for the Nintendo Wii platform.
On stage at the event, a multiplayer version of Crossy Road was demonstrated, with one player using the Apple TV remote and another player using an iPhone as an input device. The Apple TV will support both the iPhone and the iPod touch as an input device. Apple TV and iPhone games are going to be available universally, meaning you can start a game on the iPhone and then pick it up on the Apple TV.
On stage, some upcoming apps for the Apple TV were shown off, including Netflix, HBONow, and Hulu. Game developers like Disney Interactive and Activision are working on games for the device that include "Disney Infinity 3.0" and "Guitar Hero." Harmonix is also developing a rhythm-based Wii Sports-style game that will be available exclusively on the Apple TV.
The new Apple TV also comes with brand new screen savers featuring high definition footage shot by Apple. The screen savers show off cities in slow motion video and will showcase footage based on the time of day.
Starting today, developers can access the tvOS SDK via a new Xcode beta to begin creating games and apps for the Apple TV.
Internally, the Apple TV includes a 64-bit A8 chip, with support for key iOS technologies like Metal, GameKit, and UIKit, all of which will allow developers to bring console-quality games to the device. The Apple TV is available with either 32GB or 64GB of storage, which will be used for downloading apps, and it includes Bluetooth 4.0, 801.11ac Wi-Fi with MIMO and an IR receiver. The remote works over Bluetooth 4.0, so line of sight is not required, and its battery will last for up to three months on a single charge. Recharging the remote is done through a built-in Lightning connector.
The Apple TV will begin shipping at the end of October in nearly 80 countries. It is priced at $149 for the 32GB version and $199 for the 64GB version. Apple will continue selling the existing Apple TV for $69, but that device will not support the new App Store.
Article Link: Apple Announces New Apple TV With Siri, App Store, New User Interface and Remote
I was hoping for 8K and for it to dispense any flavor of soft serve ice cream I request. Also, I really think it should have any ridiculous features I can think of and if it doesn't meet those expectations, I will call it a piece of crap!
Sanity in a sea of whining.The lack of optical out shows they do understand the market ... in Apple terms
Lack of 4K, on the other hand, is the weird balancing act they play. On the one hand, they bet on certain technology as "the future" (USB-C) or ditch as "the past" (serial ports, now optical ports in favor of HDMI only); but on the other hand they play wait-and-see on some newer, perhaps not-yet-settled technologies (?) even like LTE (loads of other phones had it before the iPhone) and now 4K.
I interpret the lack of 4K as Apple not yet being ready to tackle the "early adopter" segment of the TV market. 4K isn't quite mainstream yet, so perhaps their comfortable "alienating" some small % of the TV market in favor of providing a solid offering to the vast majority. Keeping in mind that that have a full-fledged video ecosystem with a vast library of titles that they probably aren't ready to upgrade both content and delivery infrastructure to handle 4K (at least not until they partner up with Pied Piper).
It's an easy pill for me to swallow personally as I am in a cycle of buying a high-end TV every 4-5 years and a 4K bad boy is still ~2yrs in the future for me.
THAT ALL SAID: I too would have liked to see them take on 4K with this iteration if only to make a bolder statement about how serious they are in that market.
I am too disappointed in 4K as I will be buying my first TV this weekend and it will be a 65" 4K one. It's not even that there's that much 4K content yet (there isn't, I've been trying to get everything I can get my hands on for showing off my 5K iMac), but 4K also benefits the UI, apps and of course games as well.
That said, it's a fairly inexpensive device that can be upgraded when the next model comes out. And I have a feeling Apple would like to add 4K as soon as possible as well (seeing as the iPhone now shoots 4K), so I'd be surprised if it took much more than a year.
Well, they have an iOS app, so the ATV app shouldn't be far behind.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/plex/id383457673?mt=8
The problem with AndroidTV is Android.
Whenever I get around to replacing my tv I'll consider this, but not for awhile. Still, I would love to cut the cable cord except for our internet service. Eventually.