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If you have any HomeKit enabled temperature sensors (like thermostats) you can ask Siri (or HomePod) for the temperature in <HomeKit room> and it works fine now.
The point was that the specs now seem to suggest you can do this without having homekit temperature sensors, and use the built in sensor which is now listed in the mini’s specs
 
You likely well know that Bluetooth can deliver only inferior quality audio to these "superior quality" (sound) speakers. Bluetooth is "the future" only in terms of cutting a cord. What it delivers to the speaker is inferior to what can be delivered by that cord. If the reason to buy these is superior sound, they can't deliver their "superior" if the source is hamstrung.

One AUX jack will also make these useful as "dumb" speakers beyond a time when Apple may choose to stop supporting them. They would still sound just as good 10 years from now, even if Apple gives up on them in the next year or two. Unlike even iPhones, speakers tend to have very long useful lives with reasonable care. Good speakers can easily sound just as good 10-20 years after purchase.

AUX also opens them up to all of the other audio sources that Apple chooses not to directly support on them. Yes, airplay can get around this issue but that's depending on a whole other Apple device to throw alternative audio to these. An AUX option would work with Apple devices and non-Apple devices too.

It seems a very reasonable want by consumers to me.

A corded solution is definitely viable for those who really want the true home theater experience (zero latency, superior acoustic dynamics, etc). That said, I'm in my 40's and my hearing and vision are going, so I'll sacrifice some audio depth for convenience. Plus, I have to assume that new and improved wireless communications standards are being researched that will improve on those aspects. Factor that into more advanced computational analyses that can delay the video output to match the measured latency in the audio output, and we'll reach a point where the differences between a wired and wireless setup are all but immeasurable.
 
I’m confused, it’s the same thing, with a downgraded cpu and less speakers/microphones (so basically cheaper to make and worse at its job) sold for the same price than the failed first gen. No idea who’s supposed to buy it or why it wouldn’t flop again. Weird move.
 
I want to buy one, but on the other hand for the price of 1 full-sized HomePod I could also choose to buy 3 separate HomePod minis. That's 1 stereo pair for the TV + one more for the bedroom.

Can anybody think of a good reason why buying the larger speaker is better than buying 3 small ones for the same price? Need argumentation to convince myself and especially my wife :)
Sound quality. That's it. The larger homepod, assuming it is similar to the OG, will blow the sound quality of the mini out of the water easily.
 
What a strange, strange time we’re living in.

“With the popularity of HomePod mini, we’ve seen growing interest in even more powerful acoustics achievable in a larger HomePod. We’re thrilled to bring the next generation of HomePod to customers around the world.”

Love that they’re essentially pretending like the larger HomePod has never existed before.

This to me is the most annoying thing about Apple. I know all corporations do it to a degree but they have an absolute 1984 level of thought control over how they communicate about their products.
 
I said long ago they made a mistake by canceling the HomePod as the Mini was the perfect gateway drug for it. It was even more puzzling because they had really improved the usefulness of the HomePod by its EoL and even afterwards.

IT does feel like there was something they didn't like about the original one. Maybe its cost structure was too high? Or maybe they discovered some other flaw.
 
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yes I know this. I meant the Temp Humidity chip that is in the NEW HomePod and the Mini (as advertised now on the comparison page). I do NOT have a temp sensor in the kitchen where my HPM sits. it would be nice to ask it what the temp is "in here" and it would let me know the temperature in the kitchen...or anywhere else I may have a HomePod. Plus that would be ONE less thing to buy/have batteries for when it is already included in a device.
Ah yeah that's fair. Apparently the sensor is in all mini hardware, just won't be enabled until a future software update.
 
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interesting on so many levels!

So, absence makes the heart grown fonder - for sure many mini owners might now want the opportunity for the audio upgrade (though a pair of minis arent to be sniffed at).

HOWEVER, as many have pointed out.... £299? Isnt that just repeating the original mistake. Theres no huge leap in hardware in fact less tweeters and mics suggest a cheaper product surely that should have started at £199 or £249 tops... remembering it competes on a certain level with the Echo Studio which sounds amazing with atmos support itself.

I have 6 minis at home, 2 pairs, for whole home audio and might be tempted to upgrade some but the price does seem off-putting for a whim upgrade....
AND... biggest problem is.... software. The multi room experience even under 16.2 leaves a lot to be desired with reliability.
Perhaps 16.3 will fix things but thought that about 16.0... 16.1.... and then 16.2... fourth time lucky?
 
I apologize if I missed it. Anyone know yet if you can pair this with minis? I already have a pair of minis, would hate to see them go to waste.
I am wondering the same thing, sort of. Can two HomePod minis be combined with one full-size HomePod to make a great-sounding speaker-group setup for a work area like a small office? That would be less expensive ($500) than two full-size HomePods ($600) and might balance out the bass and trebles nicely. Has anyone tried that setup?
 
Right. I think the AUX crowd want the security in the "what if Apple gives up on these?" scenario. A demotion to "dumb" (but still great sounding) speakers is better than having them potentially lose all usefulness because of how Apple evolves tvOS and iOS should that evolution "give up" on HomePods at some point. Speakers are not like most Apple tech- they can last 10-20 years and still sound great. However, "smart" speakers completely dependent on the "smarts" being kept up to date could cut into that useful life.
That makes sense, never thought of it that way before! Hopefully there is a plan for this eventuality, would be an annoying lump of e-waste that actually does a great job (in my opinion anyway).
 
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I want to buy one, but on the other hand for the price of 1 full-sized HomePod I could also choose to buy 3 separate HomePod minis. That's 1 stereo pair for the TV + one more for the bedroom.

Can anybody think of a good reason why buying the larger speaker is better than buying 3 small ones for the same price? Need argumentation to convince myself and especially my wife :)
Three minis will still have no bass and sound dramatically worse. I have three and they’re a good kitchen or bathroom speaker but the big one in the main area is significantly louder, fuller, and has actual bass.
 
I said long ago they made a mistake by canceling the HomePod as the Mini was the perfect gateway drug for it. It was even more puzzling because they had really improved the usefulness of the HomePod by its EoL and even afterwards.

IT does feel like there was something they didn't like about the original one. Maybe its cost structure was too high? Or maybe they discovered some other flaw.
The OG had issues with heat dissipation that caused it to eat itself. It was also held back by the older chip. So in order for them to fix those and anything else they had to take time to figure it out, that's my best guess.
 
Im pretty sure when they discontinued the previous version they had dropped to $249.99..

Also, my theory is that the previous model had a design flaw which caused the product to be discontinued. I heard a bunch of people had dead units following updates , etc.
I still have my original HomePod from 2018, going strong. It's always updated automatically and never had any issues.
 
Possibly an unpopular opinion... The Homepod isn't a fantastic sounding speaker. Yes, it is functionally cool and aesthetically good looking. However, it is not as great sounding as Apple makes it out to be.

I had two of the original Homepods and thoroughly loved them. When I got my first Sonos speaker (Sonos Move) I was blown away by the sound. Over time I have fully immersed my home with Sonos speakers. The ecosystem is very well done and the sound quality is incredible.

Apple makes amazing devices and I am an Apple fanatic. However, their audio and speaker ambitions are still far behind others.
 
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Some serious damage here.

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I hope you realise that there is a weird, secret, but understood arbitrary limit of HomePods in one house of 6. Any more gives real issues with multi room options not working, going wrong and struggling.

I have 7 - I have issues.....

but i hope that 16.3 resolves them - are we even supposed to be buying more than 6 - Apple seemed to not think so!
 
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