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Wow, everyone takes all this stuff so personally.

It's the Mac Rumors way. Be as pompous, arrogant, and condescending as possible, because it's easy to hide behind a keyboard and monitor, especially when there's very little moderation going on here.
 
You guys are getting shafted by your employers. If my employer wants me to work from home on tools he chooses, he will pay for the equipement and software and I will bring it home, or I will expense it to him.

If you're too meek to ask this simple gesture of your employer, that is your problem, not Apple's.

And what forces you to have a Mac Pro to dabble in Logic Studio or Final Cut Pro at home ? Those pieces of software work just fine on a less expensive Mac.

I'm a freelance film composer and orchestrator that needs to use Kontakt sample libraries on Pro Tools, and a designer that uses Photoshop and most of Adobe's suite. I can't ask my employers for a less expensive item, let alone a Mac Pro. In my situation, things are difficult when Apple makes their line under-developed and over-priced. Case closed.
 
I'm a freelance film composer and orchestrator that needs to use Kontakt sample libraries on Pro Tools, and a designer that uses Photoshop and most of Adobe's suite. I can't ask my employers for a less expensive item, let alone a Mac Pro. In my situation, things are difficult when Apple makes their line under-developed and over-priced. Case closed.

Kontakt runs on Windows 7. Pro Tools runs on Windows 7. Photoshop (and the entire CS suite) runs on Windows 7.

I don't see the case as being closed.
 
Then that's your own damn problem, isn't it? I need a Mac, PCs don't run Pro Tools satisfactory, and studios all use Mac platform.
Case closed. Whether you want to, or not.

ROFL it's not really my problem, I just think it's amusing that people like you think that you're pinned in the corner with Macs, yet you run software that all run perfectly fine on Windows.

You don't need a Mac, you prefer a Mac. Case closed. ;)
 
The original Mac Pro in 2006 that had dual Xeon 2.66 dual core procs cost $2499.

The current quad core Mac Pro costs.........$2499.

They've been expensive for awhile. I think people complaining about Mac Pro costs should have developed an exit strategy by now, if it really bothered them. The day of the $1400 PowerMac has been gone for quite some time.

Macs are a preference now, not a necessity.
 
guys, take a time out. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. refrain from criticizing each other. what's the point?
 
I'm not smart enough? I'm engineering major (computer engineering). Audio experience is easy to claim, but what about engineering? Do you have that too? Just keep your head down and listen, boy. Consider yourself lucky for me even talking to you directly. It's a big deal. It's like Harry Potter picked you for prom, or something.

Ironically, I'm in IT, and I deal with engineers all day. So your arrogance isn't new to me. You're all the same, whether it be in real life or on the Internet. Sadly your insecurities still translate just as well in the text as they do for real.
 
Ironically, I'm in IT, and I deal with engineers all day. So your arrogance isn't new to me. You're all the same, whether it be in real life or on the Internet. Sadly your insecurities still translate just as well in the text as they do for real.

There there. I'm a musician now. Engineers are idiots because they have no artistry. See? We're almost on the same page. I'm just a couple pages ahead.
 
There there. I'm a musician now. Engineers are idiots because they have no artistry. See? We're almost on the same page. I'm just a couple pages ahead.

I'm a musician too, have been for over 24 years, kiddo. I've been recording for nearly as long.

When you figure out how to use a PC, and prove why Macs are the only choice for pro audio and video, then you might be ahead.

When you actually support and deal with multiple Macs, Windows, and Linux boxes in the hundreds, for office, engineering, audio/visual purposes, come back and talk to me.

The problem is, you can't. You're a kid with an engineering degree that's a musician. Yippee. I feel so inferior. :rolleyes:

Do post again though; I see getting the last word is very important to you.
 
* Farming out to the Cloud works for only some customers ... because I already know that my Employer will flat-out refuse to use it at any price, ironically because of something that's a trademark of Apple: SECURITY.

Hosted solutions will come in many flavours. It's possible to provide cloud based solutions for secure environments that are used for defense and government for example.

Commercial security can easily be delivered by these environments.

* Farming out to the Cloud for computational power is contrary to Apple's strategy to farm it out to your local GPU via Grand Central Dispatch (GCD).

Usually an algorithm is created by using the the loca GPU/GCD to provide a frame or two but once this becomes applying to a full render of high resolution then it's farmed off to a render farm. Usually these are done with small samples sizes or low resolution.

The cloud will have specialist banks of servers to provide maths processing on demand as part of it's service.

And most significantly:

* IP Networks are going to have to get a lot faster .. while also getting cheaper .. in order to compete with even a laggardly FW800 I/O connection for moving data around...particularly when it comes to the large sizes often used by Mac-centric creatives.

Its been awhile since I bothered to check, but I believe that its still true that physically sending a few tapes overnight via FedEx still results in a higher bandwidth transfer rate than trying to FTP them electronically. Until you're able to outperform Sneakernet, certain "Cloud" aspects simply aren't going to cut it for serious works.

IP networks are growing at a brakeneck speed. Driven by media on demand and the demand of IP based phones etc. Lots of telecommunications are moving to VoIP based solutions from the old TDM platforms.

However you're correct - if the type of processing requires continous interaction between front and back platforms then the longer latency will kill it dead.
However as cloud based platforms mature then technology will too (including the development of algorythms to resolve this). Although there are instances where cloud isn't going to be suitable.

However I'm sat running over 2.5 Tbs.. so my view point may be different to yours ;)
 
I'm not smart enough? I'm engineering major (computer engineering). Audio experience is easy to claim, but what about engineering? Do you have that too? Just keep your head down and listen, boy. Consider yourself lucky for me even talking to you directly. It's a big deal. It's like Harry Potter picking you for prom, or something.

Computer engineering? That's what the people who flunk out of electrical engineering take, right?
 
The problem is, you can't. You're a kid with an engineering degree that's a musician. Yippee. I feel so inferior. :rolleyes:

I never said I had an engineering degree. I dropped out to become a musician.

Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I'll be in the Mac corner if you realize you're a bad man. lol

But seriously, lets stop the argument. I can't explain it to you right now, because it would compromise me as an individual, but I do have more experience configuring PCs than any IT guy I know. I chose Mac because, given the options in this industry, they are an overwhelming advantage. And that's what people mean by "forced to use Mac". We're not physically shackled to them - it's a figure of speech. Just like you're "forced" to pay taxes. You don't HAVE to - it's an "option". But if you're a little bit smart and want to avoid trouble, you'll do it.

Find peace.
 
Computer engineering? That's what the people who flunk out of electrical engineering take, right?

No, it's the other way around (at least in Europe).
In America, it's possible. Electrical is more developed here, I bet. There's a lot better electrical/technical engineers than computer engineers in the US, as it seems.
 
No, it's the other way around (at least in Europe).
In America, it's possible. Electrical is more developed here, I bet. There's a lot better electrical/technical engineers than computer engineers in the US, as it seems.

In the early 1990's there were only three accredited computer engineering programs in the U.S. (IIRC). Where I got my undergrad degree (RPI), computer engineers didn't have to take thermo, mech.e., or most any class involving analog electronics - instead they took data structures, etc. Far easier curriculum (since e.e.'s who were interested in computer engineering just took the com.sci. classes as electives, too, or learned it on their own.)
 
I never said I had an engineering degree. I dropped out to become a musician.

Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I'll be in the Mac corner if you realize you're a bad man. lol

But seriously, lets stop the argument. I can't explain it to you right now, because it would compromise me as an individual, but I do have more experience configuring PCs than any IT guy I know. I chose Mac because, given the options in this industry, they are an overwhelming advantage. And that's what people mean by "forced to use Mac". We're not physically shackled to them - it's a figure of speech. Just like you're "forced" to pay taxes. You don't HAVE to - it's an "option". But if you're a little bit smart and want to avoid trouble, you'll do it.

Find peace.

Okay, we'll stop arguing. That's fine. However, let me just say that:

1. I've been building PC's for audio for a long time, and PC's in general for even longer. I'm not a new IT guy.
2. I prefer Macs myself; I have two personally, and support far more. I do like them better for audio and video.
3. I guess we'll politely have to agree to disagree on this matter of audio. I think PC's are perfectly serviceable and reliable for audio/video. But I guess YMMV :D
 
In the early 1990's there were only three accredited computer engineering programs in the U.S. (IIRC). Where I got my undergrad degree (RPI), computer engineers didn't have to take thermo, mech.e., or most any class involving analog electronics - instead they took data structures, etc. Far easier curriculum (since e.e.'s who were interested in computer engineering just took the com.sci. classes as electives, too, or learned it on their own.)

Easier, but better suited to computer engineering - it just makes more sense. I finished all physics, which I'm proud of because the first 3 years were all engineering branch (electrical, physics, etc). I love physics, but I admit that is not useful to most computer students - and they changed the curriculum now, it's only 3 years (instead of 5). Electrical is fascinating, and we had a lot of electrical nerds. They used to joke around that electrical people were the ones that didn't have the GPA for computer, and if they had the option to go in computer, they usually did. Data structures was in my curriculum and I dropped out before I had those classes. I'm a learn-on-my-own guy and I was losing passion for that field (computers and development), so I dropped out just in time :/ I'm still a computer nerd, but aware that I would have never been happy as an engineer my whole life. I completely respect them and their work, though. People are all different...
 
Okay, we'll stop arguing. That's fine. However, let me just say that:

1. I've been building PC's for audio for a long time, and PC's in general for even longer. I'm not a new IT guy.
2. I prefer Macs myself; I have two personally, and support far more. I do like them better for audio and video.
3. I guess we'll politely have to agree to disagree on this matter of audio. I think PC's are perfectly serviceable and reliable for audio/video. But I guess YMMV :D

Indeed, mileage may vary a lot, I learned :)
 
Easier, but better suited to computer engineering - it just makes more sense. I finished all physics, which I'm proud of because the first 3 years were all engineering branch (electrical, physics, etc). I love physics, but I admit that is not useful to most computer students - and they changed the curriculum now, it's only 3 years (instead of 5). Electrical is fascinating, and we had a lot of electrical nerds. They used to joke around that electrical people were the ones that didn't have the GPA for computer, and if they had the option to go in computer, they usually did. Data structures was in my curriculum and I dropped out before I had those classes. I'm a learn-on-my-own guy and I was losing passion for that field (computers and development), so I dropped out just in time :/ I'm still a computer nerd, but aware that I would have never been happy as an engineer my whole life. I completely respect them and their work, though. People are all different...

As someone who designed microprocessors for more than a decade, I assure you that electrical engineering is better suited to the field of engineering computers.
 
As someone who designed microprocessors for more than a decade, I assure you that electrical engineering is better suited to the field of engineering computers.

It is, of course! When I was studying "computer engineering", it was more about programming languages than technical microprocessor building. Maybe in America they fuse together a little more - I have no idea how it works here.
 
It is, of course! When I was studying "computer engineering", it was more about programming languages than technical microprocessor building. Maybe in America they fuse together a little more - I have no idea how it works here.

Sounds like you're talking about computer science, which is different than computer engineering.
 
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