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Honestly, kind of, yeah. I wear a pride band to easily let others know, and I'd assume the same if someone else was wearing one. I wouldn't be offended if a straight man wore one, but it definitely sends the wrong message. (To clarify, imo, that message is that you're a part of the gay community and identify under that banner, and I'm assuming that's not the message you want to send if you do not identify as such)

Yes, by "wrong message" I meant that I was gay, when I'm not; making it confusing if someone thought I was part of the group; which I completely support. But I thought maybe it was seen as "exclusive" for the LGBTQ community.

I thought LGBTQ community would use these bands as you describe.

Thanks for clarifying
 
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I'm pretty sure if you put that whole menu in a blender it would come out one gross color.
I just said it doesn’t make for a nice watch band in this case, but to say blending all the beautiful colors on the McDonald’s menu is “gross” Now that’s a bridge too far, I feel a bit triggered by that. 🤔
 
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Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but I didn't look at the braided one and immediately see Pride. If this article had just said "Apple announces new watch band" and had a picture of that band, I would think "That's a cool multicolored band" rather than "That's a cool Pride band." Only in combination with the watch face can I say that I see it. And I do love that watch face but the Pride faces never have enough complications for me.

I bought both last year. I'll keep alternating those two. The non-Nike one took a little while to grow on me before I bought it (it looks better in person than it did online) but I get a ton of compliments on it now.

Yes, by "wrong message" I meant that I was gay, when I'm not; making it confusing if someone thought I was part of the group; which I completely support. But I thought maybe it was seen as "exclusive" for the LGBTQ community.

I thought LGBTQ community would use these bands as you describe.

Thanks for clarifying

Well, they're not for our exclusive use any more than the rainbow in general is for our exclusive use. It doesn't offend me if you wear a pride band as an ally. Of course the assumption for many will be that you're gay and as long as that doesn't bother you and as long as you're polite about it if someone does make that assumption (and I'm sure that as an ally you would be), then wear it.

Can’t say I’m a huge fan of the braided band I’m a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to the pride flag, the six colored rainbow, the flag I secretly kept in my room when struggling with my sexuality that gave me strength.

Just sending you a virtual hug. I'm glad you found that strength.
 
I like the Nike face (except for the swoosh). Anyone know if the app clip will link to that face on a non-Nike watch? The woven face shows up in the most recent beta so I’m guessing no, but if there’s a way…
 
Being gay/trans is not supposed to be a political statement. The only reason LGBTQ became political is because people were attacked for it. It’s just a strange concept to me that people still consider gay to be some type of alternative lifestyle choice.

Further muddying the waters, I have a really hard time seeing much authenticity within the LGBTQ community because you never know who is just there for the ride now. Every time some literary dyes their hair purple just to say that “sexuality is a spectrum” and claims they’re queer for the attention, the real voices of the rainbow get drowned out. I can’t stand this “you are who you say you are” nonsense. A white person is not black, and a straight person is not gay. Nor should either want so bad to be the other that they feel the need to trample upon the other’s identity.
The "they're claiming to be gay/bi/pan/trans/etc for attention" argument holds no water. While of course it's gonna happen, it is a grain of salt compared to the thousands, even millions of people who label themselves as generic stuff because they're exploring themselves. Sexuality and specially gender identity are hard concepts to grasp and even more to understand, and considering the rise in acceptance is logical there's gonna be more people who are gonna be exploring themselves publicly. Hell, I considered myself a cis gay man until not long ago, but turns out I'm a genderfluid gay person!
 
Being gay/trans is not supposed to be a political statement. The only reason LGBTQ became political is because people were attacked for it. It’s just a strange concept to me that people still consider gay to be some type of alternative lifestyle choice.

Further muddying the waters, I have a really hard time seeing much authenticity within the LGBTQ community because you never know who is just there for the ride now. Every time some literary dyes their hair purple just to say that “sexuality is a spectrum” and claims they’re queer for the attention, the real voices of the rainbow get drowned out. I can’t stand this “you are who you say you are” nonsense. A white person is not black, and a straight person is not gay. Nor should either want so bad to be the other that they feel the need to trample upon the other’s identity.
Agreed — it wouldn't be a political statement in an ideal world. I would also say, as much as you can, to give up the anger about authenticity. I can definitely see that it would be annoying, but everyone is trying to figure out their place in this world — it's much easier if you don't try to control others' issues. (Ha, but you can see I don't listen to my own advice!)
 
“For the first time, Apple is also including new App Clip functionality within the Apple Watch band's packaging to give a simple and convenient way for customers to immediately access the new matching watch face.”
No1 mentions this?what does this mean?
It means the packaging has a shortcut that can be used on the iPhone to quickly/easily download the watch face that matches the watch band.

 
I just can't help but see the thread from my sewing repair kit...

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You don't have to identify as LGBTQ yourself to support those who do.
You should not mistake serving fashion fads (like just pinkwashing or greenwashing) as being done by big companies like Apple - who earn quite good money with it - with support for a certain group of people you can loosely define!
 
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Being gay/trans is not supposed to be a political statement. The only reason LGBTQ became political is because people were attacked for it. It’s just a strange concept to me that people still consider gay to be some type of alternative lifestyle choice.

Further muddying the waters, I have a really hard time seeing much authenticity within the LGBTQ community because you never know who is just there for the ride now. Every time some literary dyes their hair purple just to say that “sexuality is a spectrum” and claims they’re queer for the attention, the real voices of the rainbow get drowned out. I can’t stand this “you are who you say you are” nonsense. A white person is not black, and a straight person is not gay. Nor should either want so bad to be the other that they feel the need to trample upon the other’s identity.
Yep. All of this. Glad I'm not alone.


I vociferously reject homophobia from "LGBT people" who think they can identify however they please, including as something fundamentally homophobic, like "a gay man" who has heterosexual (opposite-sex) genitalia. This is all nonsense. As a gay man, I happen to intimately know what both gay and men are, and I won't be gaslighted over it or my homosexuality. People who enable word-meaninglessness are not helping any cause except avoiding "being offensive." I voted for Obama and Bernie and never Conservative, but it has become clear to me that Liberals are sick with "needing to be kind," even if it destroys or kills. The worst offenders are the obsessive "Straight Allies" who have no real skin in this game and have no experience what it's like being gay, yet would crucify themselves if they thought they caused the slightest offense to a valid purple-haired person, so instead eviscerate and nullify the meaning of words and existence so as to not be insensitive to someone else's issue.

By the way, dear MacRumors peers, I view every "disagree"/downvote to my comments in this thread as rather homophobic. 🤷🏼‍♂️ So go ahead and expose yourself. Might as well be honest about it.

There are a lot of people in this corrupted LGBT "community" that think "being just gay" is no longer "cool" and "just a genital preference" (or even more homophobic: "a genital fetish"). If you don't want to hear an actually-homosexual man expose inner-community homophobia from "LGBT people," then you're not here for what the Rainbow Flag means, you're here for the LGBT Fad that exploits us rather than represents us. You're no better than the people who've exploited Native people or Black people or people in general. This corporate-political LGBT-ism especially is toxic and socially destructive. I honestly sympathize with people who view gay people negatively, because looking at these social agendas, so would I, if I weren't gay and knew being gay has nothing to do with these engineered movements.

So I reiterate: I will not be wearing this band for I can not do so with pride. It's a symbol that eviscerates what I am, and what gay people / the Gay Rights Movement has fought for. Which was always to be deemed as normal and acceptable as straight people, to have a family, to get married, to bitch and moan about taxes as spouses — not to have purple hair etc heralded as one's sexual expression and the existence of men and women blurred to boldly not offend mental illness.

At the rate things are going, I think it's time for the rainbow to dissolved back into the sky. I'm a normal guy who just happens to be gay and have experienced almost zero homophobia from straight people. Straight people are no longer the problem. Nowadays even Conservatives, opinions on marriage aside, accept that I'm gay, without judging me as "not cool" or minimizing me as having "a genital fetish." I'd rather talk to a Conservative that doesn't want me to marry than a gay/trans/LGBT/ally person that debates whether the word "homosexuality" means "same sex" or "same gender."

There's just no reason for this rainbow ideology to exist when gay people are now as accepted for who we are. Except wait, we aren't, not everywhere! The real Gay Rights Movement in its purity is still very needed when gay men are killed in Iran as soon as last month where homosexuality remains criminally illegal — meanwhile it is not a crime to be transgender anywhere. No, bathroom disagreements do not compare to being criminalized and killed for who we were born as.

But alas, the rainbow has been co-opted by people who have a lot of problems and need help, more than validation and parading. Purple-haired nonbinarydemigodnonconformistpansexuality is worth letting gay men in Iran die. After all, it's just a genital fetish. His problem, he should've been less transphobic.

What this band represents, does not help people like him — it leads to their death.

Or maybe people in his circumstance will get lucky in the future and Iran will just start transitioning gay men to straight women! That's when the newfangled Philadelphia Pride Flag will get an upgrade with Crescent & Star to include marginalized Muslims. Gay men be damned, we don't matter anymore, time for us to start having sex with opposite-sex genitalia. And of course, lesbians have never mattered to these LGBT people, with their spaces full of the wrong genitals boldly including themselves in their spaces. LGBT misogny is doubly strong. Lesbians just shouldn't've been born as women!

If you think you support the LGBT movement but can't listen to a gay man detail the homophobia he's experienced from this selfsame community, I don't know how to describe you but as a clueless hypocrite that's doing a lot of harm. Wake up.

I love Tim Cook for his post-Jobs tenure and successes, but from one gay man to another, I call him out for supporting this ideology just to be socio-corporately popular without a second thought to the deeper ramifications.
 
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Agreed — it wouldn't be a political statement in an ideal world. I would also say, as much as you can, to give up the anger about authenticity. I can definitely see that it would be annoying, but everyone is trying to figure out their place in this world — it's much easier if you don't try to control others' issues. (Ha, but you can see I don't listen to my own advice!)
Speaking for myself, I'd give up the anger if the people with problems / figuring themselves out didn't have the need to minimize/ridicule someone like me me — who's clear, calm, and confident in himself — just so they can feel better about themselves. Nope, not gonna sacrifice myself to their vitriol to "be kind" as they figure themselves out and why they're so angry at the world.

There are just and genuine reasons to be angry and I have encountered them with LGBT fads over the last couple years. If you actually wanna help, go tell the people trying to figure themselves out to learn some respect, and that the evisceration of others won't make them feel better, least of all be accepted and included.
 
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Honestly, kind of, yeah. I wear a pride band to easily let others know, and I'd assume the same if someone else was wearing one. I wouldn't be offended if a straight man wore one, but it definitely sends the wrong message. (To clarify, imo, that message is that you're a part of the gay community and identify under that banner, and I'm assuming that's not the message you want to send if you do not identify as such)
Dang. I was going to get the braided one. It looks slick.
 
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