Apple Announces The iPhone

[shecky]

It also created the Newton, the Cube, & other devices that no
one cares about anymore.

which preempted PDA's/smartphones and the mass popularity small form factor PC's, both of which many people do care about. now you are just being foolish and ignorant.

You seem to forget that just 10 years ago, Apple was a company noone wanted to touch w/ a 20 foot pole.

and this is relevant to this discussion how?

stop trying to compensate for your own insecurities by trolling; its really quite pathetic and very transparent.

 

[fiddle245]

Sorry, you are in the wrong place then...go visit microsoft.com...the iPhone just BLOWS anything related out of the water...it IS a breakthrough product and an instant icon...there is simply no way to overlook it...Apple has done a FANTASTIC job, and has created demand out of a static market...it simply RULES, and no Treos come close...it's just offensive to compare it with other PDAs, really.

You keep hyping it up, but give no real reason why it
is any better than a Treo or Blackberry. I love my Macbook,
but if I had to use a PC, I could still do 90% of the things I
needed to do.

& Its too bad youre in Switzerland, cuz you'll be lucky to get
one early 2008.

 

[The Scotsman]

contract

I agree the two year contract is not a good thing. The average shelf life of a phone is 6 months, How many of us have bought a mobile then two weeks later a new one is out and we want that to. I guess it will not be able to be unlocked due to the voice mail features. If it is you will loose that feature.

Buy developing just a moble seperately from an Ipod/communicator they can sell communicator as mini laptop type thingy and phone can be developed into range of phones.

I disagree with apple making new markets they just find a market already established and just do it a hell of a lot better.

 

[50548]

You keep hyping it up, but give no real reason why it
is any better than a Treo or Blackberry. I love my Macbook,
but if I had to use a PC, I could still do 90% of the things I
needed to do.

& Its too bad youre in Switzerland, cuz you'll be lucky to get
one early 2008.

As someone else said, just the scrolling would be enough...there is simply no comparison with any of that ugly and complicated crap.

As for Europe, of course I can wait...until then I will use my contract with the RAZR, no prob...but the iPhone is awesome indeed.

 

[fiddle245]

which preempted PDA's/smartphones and the mass popularity small form factor PC's, both of which many people do care about. now you are just being foolish and ignorant.

Youre missing the point- just cuz something is a good product
doesnt mean the public is ready for it, or that Apple is the best
company to meet the needs of the market.

and this is relevant to this discussion how?

Its relevant cuz You seem to look at Apple as this invincible
juggernaut that can do no wrong when pre Steve Jobs &
John Ive it was a disaster area. With a few missteps, Apple
could still fall back to where it was 10 years ago.

stop trying to compensate for your own insecurities by trolling; its really quite pathetic and very transparent.

Why dont you tell that to the other hundred people who
have criticized the iPhone?

 

[emotion]

You keep hyping it up, but give no real reason why it
is any better than a Treo or Blackberry.

How many times? It's all about the interface. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Get a Dooberry, why moan about what apple is doing? (well yeah apart from playing the usual troll game of bashing something and stubbornly ignoring all the alternative views).

Not many of us here are blindly saying this is all good (Cingular 2 year tie in!) but y'know if you don't see why people think it's cool, that's your loss dude.

 

[fiddle245]

As someone else said, just the scrolling would be enough...there is simply no comparison with any of that ugly and complicated crap.

My Macbook already has 2 finger scrolling. Touch screens have been
around for years- nothing revolutionary here.

As for Europe, of course I can wait...until then I will use my contract with the RAZR, no prob...but the iPhone is awesome indeed.

Its amazing how many iPhone fanboys wont even buy the iPhone right
when it comes out.

 

[LC III]

Posted from elsewhere:

My brother works for a mac securtity company in Vegas, and was at the keynote. He had about 5 mins hands on with the phone late yesterday, and according the Apple it WILL be an unlocked device, but the sale in June will only be from cingular (with minimum 2 year contract - there is NO discount to cingular business accounts, or with contract) with the apple store following about 8 weeks later.

So, it is unlocked, get it from cingular first, and if you get it from cingular first, be prepared to pay fullprice and shell out for a 2 year commitment.

 

[fiddle245]

How many times? It's all about the interface. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Get a Dooberry, why moan about what apple is doing? (well yeah apart from playing the usual troll game of bashing something and stubbornly ignoring all the alternative views).

Why moan? because its been hyped nonstop for the past 24 hours. Apple is hyping it as a "motorola, treo, blackberry Killer" when I call BS.

How many times can I repeat myself "There is nothing revolutionary
about a touch screen interface!!" Tablet PCS have been around for
years!

 

[shecky]

Youre missing the point- just cuz something is a good productdoesnt mean the public is ready for it, or that Apple is the bestcompany to meet the needs of the market.

the public is not ready for small form factor PC's or PDA's and smartphones? You should go talk to Shuttle and Palm about that. are you sure that is your argument here? i will let you go ahead and rethink that one.

Its relevant cuz You seem to look at Apple as this invincible juggernaut that can do no wrong when pre Steve Jobs &
John Ive it was a disaster area. With a few missteps, Applecould still fall back to where it was 10 years ago.

first of all, go look thru my other posts on other threads where i critique the iPhone. Apple is not remotely perfect. second of all, Apple 15 years ago is not who is making the iPhone. Apple of the past 2.5 years is. it is widely known that apple 15 years ago was making crap. thats not news, and again, not relevant here.

Why dont you tell that to the other hundred people who have criticized the iPhone?

because the other 100 people are not n00bs who feel the need to try to have a battle of wits while unarmed. that and i guess you just got lucky.

 

[cazlar]

The US can't possibly be this far behind surely? Or are you just an exception?

I'm about to move to the US for work, and have been researching lots of things. One strange thing (at least for me?) is that in the US, they charge for both sending an SMS, and receiving it too! Having to pay "twice" for every text might explain why it's not used as much. Also, what's to stop someone sending messages and costing you money, without being able to avoid it!

 

[fiddle245]

Posted from elsewhere:

Quote:
My brother works for a mac securtity company in Vegas, and was at the keynote. He had about 5 mins hands on with the phone late yesterday, and according the Apple it WILL be an unlocked device, but the sale in June will only be from cingular (with minimum 2 year contract - there is NO discount to cingular business accounts, or with contract) with the apple store following about 8 weeks later.

So, it is unlocked, get it from cingular first, and if you get it from cingular first, be prepared to pay fullprice and shell out for a 2 year commitment.

I'll trust CNN before the heresay of someones brothers uncles cousins friend.

CNN Says the iPhone will be Cingular exclusive till 2009:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/technology/apple_jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes

"Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.17 to $33.98, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009."

 

[fiddle245]

the public is not ready for small form factor PC's or PDA's and smartphones? You should go talk to Shuttle and Palm about that. are you sure that is your argument here? i will let you go ahead and rethink that one.

If you really think Apples only concern is creating a good device, you
are mistaken.

first of all, go look thru my other posts on other threads where i critique the iPhone. Apple is not remotely perfect. second of all, Apple 15 years ago is not who is making the iPhone. Apple of the past 2.5 years is. it is widely known that apple 15 years ago was making crap. thats not news, and again, not relevant here.

It is relevant because apple has made mistakes before, & IMO
is making a mistake on how it released the iPhone.

It should have created the Widescreen iPod 1st, then
tested the waters w/ a basic phone before betting the mortgage
on a device thats overpriced & overkill for 90% of consumers.

because the other 100 people are not n00bs who feel the need to try to have a battle of wits while unarmed. that and i guess you just got lucky.

I know more about technology & business than you could ever wish
to learn- dont pull this n00b Bull with me.

 

[LC III]

I'll trust CNN before the heresay of someones brothers uncles cousins friend.

CNN Says the iPhone will be Cingular exclusive till 2009:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/technology/apple_jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes

"Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.17 to $33.98, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009."

No other carriers as in cell phone service providers but phones can be bought elsewhere, or no other carriers as in no other sources for iPHONES..???

 

[Blue Velvet]

I know more about technology & business than you could ever wish to learn

Your knowledge against the collective wisdom and experience of the Apple board and all the people and partners who are in on this device? You're really straining here.

 

[fiddle245]

No other carriers as in cell phone service providers but phones can be bought elsewhere, or no other carriers as in no other sources for iPHONES..???

Show me a press release of Apple saying that & maybe I'll listen.

I'm not about to belive reposted heresay from someones uncles cousins brother on some random internet form called "Mac Rumors".

 

[The Scotsman]

With no Money there is no Product

Yes I think we all agree that product wise the iPhone is a great product. But yes Apple has almost made it to good and to many products in one. I would pay 300 of your US dollars for a fantastic Ipod and I would pay 200 of your us dollars for a 1 year contract Phone thats 500 dollars that more people would spend than 499 or 599 dollars (think thats right) that 10% of iPod or business owners might buy, Do your sums which is more. And I think they would be two very good products that many people would use instead of one very good product that not many will use.

 

[fiddle245]

Your knowledge against the collective wisdom and experience of the Apple board and all the people and partners who are in on this device? You're really straining here.

Right & how many cell phones has Apple release up to this point, other
than the failed MotoRokr? NONE

 

[emotion]

Why moan? because its been hyped nonstop for the past 24 hours. Apple is hyping it as a "motorola, treo, blackberry Killer" when I call BS.

How many times can I repeat myself "There is nothing revolutionary
about a touch screen interface!!" Tablet PCS have been around for
years!

The hype was not from Apple.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. This is a multitouch touch screen. If you don't know what that means have a look at the way it will change how we interact will all digital devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89sz8ExZndc

 

[fiddle245]

Yes I think we all agree that product wise the iPhone is a great product. But yes Apple has almost made it to good and to many products in one.

The newton was a good product too- didnt prevent it from
sinking like a rock.

The hype was not from Apple.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. This is a multitouch touch screen. If you don't know what that means have a look at the way it will change how we interact will all digital devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89sz8ExZndc

I've already seen that video.

I'm familiar w/ multitouch- in fact I'm using 2 finger scrolling
on my Macbook as I type this. NOT revolutionary.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Right & how many cell phones has Apple release up to this point, other
than the failed MotoRokr? NONE

And? So?

That's what people said about the iPod. And yet, over 60% marketshare within 6 years. Somehow, I think they know what they're doing and so does the market.

 

[yellow]

It should have created the Widescreen iPod 1st, then
tested the waters w/ a basic phone before betting the mortgage
on a device thats overpriced & overkill for 90% of consumers.

I think "betting the mortgage" is a bit of an overstatement.
The failure of the iPhone won't mean the demise of Apple, Inc.

 

[fiddle245]

And? So?

That's what people said about the iPod. And yet, over 60% marketshare within 6 years. Somehow, I think they know what they're doing and so does the market.

This could either be the 2nd coming of the iPod, or the 2nd
coming of the Newton.

Bottom line, its NOT a slam dunk.

 

[emotion]

The newton was a good product too- didnt prevent it from
sinking like a rock.

Do you really think the times are the same as when the Newton was released? When it was released did you see this level of media interest? The time is as ripe as ever for Apple to release this.

Whether you think you can do the same with a Dooberry is neither here nor there. The public will look at this and want one just for the coolness. The fact that it's expensive doesn't matter. The mobile phone, now in our culture today, is a status symbol that is as strong as the car once was. People pay for labels and Apple is just that, a label.

 

[fiddle245]

I think "betting the mortgage" is a bit of an overstatement.
The failure of the iPhone won't mean the demise of Apple, Inc.

No, but its failure would likely mean the end of Apple's
Cell phone endeavors, & be a huge hit to investor confidence,
just like Sony's exploding battery & PS3 production issues
have been a huge hit to their reputation.