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Do you notice the parts I added emphasis to?

Do you get my point. I dont care how many people on digg.com said "omg i saw this demo of a new apple notebook with a built in xxxxxxxxxx function!!!". until you see some RELIABLE proof of it, like, i dunno, a guy in a turtle-kneck saying "oh yeah, one more thing..." dont take it as gospel.

hahahahahahahahaha. thank you. I didnt know other Mac users with common sense still existed. It seems like no matter what gets announced, this forum does an amazing job of b!tching like school girls, only to line up out side of Apple the day it comes out.

Now of course, many of the users i guess might not be able to find the Apple Incorporated stores because they will still be looking for the Apple Computers Incorporated :rolleyes:

I know that this is a Mac forum, but I can't help but find it comical (and a bit ridiculous) how some people salivate over everything that Steve presents, regardless of what it may be. Then they criticize others who wish and expect more from Apple (and express that opinion in the forums instead of joining in on their party). :rolleyes:

All that I am saying is this: in light of other Mac-related rumors (and yes, of coarse they were ONLY rumors, as always) floating around before the Keynote (i.e. new displays, thin ultra-portable laptops, Leopard preview, etc.), this year's Keynote was a great disappointment for those of us who find it hard to get excited about or have no use for an Apple cell phone (which, I will admit, seems to be a beautifully designed device).

OK? Can we relax a little and not immediately jump to the defensive as soon as someone commits the "sin" of seemingly criticizing Apple? Let's use our powers of discrimination a little more. If I didn't love Apple products (which I have been using since 1985), then trust me, I would keep my mouth shut and really wouldn't care.
 
fiddle245...

why is this not revolutionary? compare it to the leading smartphones in the U.S. right now: Treo, Blackberry, Symbian and Windows Mobile whatever...

- Treo...you want to know what's wrong with the Treo? step on over to Treo Central and read the countless complaints, issues, gripes about: the aging OS, the lack of multi-tasking, inefficiency of browsing the web, can't stream web media, email issues with Versamail, the endless search of a better launcher than the one that Palm offers, the endless search of better 3rd party apps that actually work on the 700p...believe me, i'm probably one of the few users on there that does not hate the 700p. i think mine serves me fine for what i need.

- Blackberry...first off, incorporate a freaking touch screen already. second off, stop it with the whole "everyone in America is a badass corporate warrior and needs to be in constant communication via email or else the multibillion dollar contract/merger/project will fail!" B freakin S, where i work most people use that to text their friends not lust after the latest update from the project leader. yeah, push email was innovative but if that's all your "smart" phone can do, well, it ain't that great after all. the whole argument about how you don't have to tote a laptop around just to check your mail is b.s too. go to the airport and tell me how many people you see with a laptop open. the Pearl is fine...but i don't see any high expectations of watching videos or photos on that small screen. sorry, even if you did get it for free.

- Symbian...popular everywhere else but here. 'nuff said.

- Windows Mobile...it's painful to use. the user interface is pretty bizarre. you can edit Excel, Word, Power Point blah blah blah has anyone actually tried to do any of those? i tried editing my term paper and after page 2 my eyes were ready to kill me for making them read line after line on an 240x240 resolution screen. not impressed. push email, don't get me started on this again. Internet Explorer, disgusting. PIM capabilities are ok i guess. still needs a stylus to be usable so it's not truly "one handed" operation although the Treo version does it pretty decently.

so please clarify for me, exactly which one of those can be considered the cream of the crop? forgive me but just cause everyone in a suit hounds a Blackberry doesn't make it marvelous technology. despite of Palm's ease of use Garnet is definitely outdated and becoming more unreliable with each new release of updated hardware.

most smart phone users (on forums or otherwise) are genuinely eager to see how badly the iPhone will trounce their own preferred devices. why? simply because smartphones haven't really progressed in forever yet you are the only one i've seen so far who is taking great pains to say that your Pearl can do everything the iPhone can do if not better.
 
Can anyone speculate on when the iphone will make it to Australia and what carrier would be used. Also if the iphone arrives in Australia a year or so after the Americans get it, would we possibly skip the first gen and start with the second gen?
 
This is T3's hands on review. soory if this is too long to post

http://blog.t3.co.uk/page/t3?entry=world_s_first_hands_on

World's first hands-on with iPhone

Wednesday January 10, 2007 Comments [15]
Security was rock solid as we were ushered into a darkened room. Once inside we were greeted by Greg "Woz" Jozwiak, vice president of worldwide product marketing for iPod and iPhone. On the desk in front of him was iPhone. Shaking with excitement, I was minutes away from having it in my hand.

Yesterday I was convinced, today convinced isn't a strong enough word. It's better than Steve Jobs said it was. It works just like he showed us. It feels like you don't want to put it down.

The model we were playing with still wasn't finished. It's nearly there, said Woz, but there's still some work to be done. Getting it ready for the UK too would take time and although he wouldn't be moved when asked, I reckon it'll be HSDPA, not EDGE when it lands in blighty.

Picking it up I was surprised by how black the thing is. Flicking the button on the top brings the super bright screen to life. My first touch was a tentative one. How would it cope with my podgy digits? Would I break it? It's hard not to have sweaty palms at times like this but I needn't have worried. It coped with all perfectly. Paw marks on the screen seemed to disappear magically. It didn't matter what angle I held it at, the screen still shone clear and bright.

First button I pushed was iPod. Lets go for something familiar. No instruction was given beforehand, and memories of what to do from seeing it yesterday were sketchy. What do I press? **** it, lets try that one. And that one, and that one. Every step was obvious and natural. I didn't need to flinch. I selected a video of the US Office and it fired up in no time. Wanting to watch it in full widescreen glory I flicked the device onto its side and the screen followed so smoothly I had to do it again. Footage looked good and very watchable and even the sound from the speakers wasn't too bad. Better than I expected.

Enough of that (I had four minutes with the device, need to check more features). The button below the screen takes you straight out of whatever app you're using and back to the main menu. No quitting, no saving and it takes milliseconds.

Fired up Safari and typed in T3.co.uk. I made a few mistakes on the soft kjeyboard and I didn't find it as intelligent as they suggested. When I hit "p" instead of "o" for .co.uk it didn't self correct as I would have expected it to. Still almost as soon as I hit GO T3's homepage was staring back at me.

Assuming your connection is decent, load times are pretty quick. But another conundrum. The "read more" link on the main story appears tiny on the screen, even after a quick double tap to magnify the story. How will it cope with sausage fingers now? As my main digit hovered over most of the intro paragraph of the story I gave a quick tap in the general vicinity of the link - surely I've just smudged the screen. No, it figured out what I was trying to do and instantly bounced me onto the turn page. Brilliant. It's cleverer than me!

It's getting close to hand-over now so only enough time to see what pictures look like, as this isn't the place to be making phone calls. The accelerometer which works out when you're viewing the device in landscape or portrait mode was faultless. Flicking from portrait to landscape delivers such a pleasing transition you just want to do it again and again.

I don't believe I've ever used a device that's as intuitive, and pleasing, as the iPhone. Everything is obvious, in the way Apple products generally are. Everything is beautiful, as we've come to expect and it is frighteningly clever. Yesterday Steve Jobs said Apple has launched a phone that is five years ahead of everything else. He wasn't ********ting.

The iPhone changes everything. Apple has moved the goal posts so far it's going to take other companies years just to find them, even before they can think about scoring a goal.
 
Read today that the only 2.5 g EDGE network in OZ is Telstra so they say it would be logical for it to go to Telstra.

Everything else (ncluding Telstra's own NextGen network) is 3G so this brilliant phone will look out of date if this is the case. Like a moped engine in an Aston Martin.

I have a 3G and never use the video or internet stuff but this phone needs the speed of 3G to really get the internet capabilities working (which by all accounts actually work)- imagine Google earth on 2.5G-I have touble with it on broadband cable sometimes.

Still this thing sounds incredible, I'll get one If it gets here and if its 3G.
I'll take it without the phone and minus a few $'s...
 
Read today that the only 2.5 g EDGE network in OZ is Telstra so they say it would be logical for it to go to Telstra.

Everything else (ncluding Telstra's own NextGen network) is 3G so this brilliant phone will look out of date if this is the case. Like a moped engne in a ferrari

I have a 3G and never use the video or internet stuff but this phone needs the speed of 3G to realy get the internet capabilities working - imagine Google earth on 2.5G-I have touble with it on broadband cable sometimes.

Still this thing sounds incredible, I'll get one If it gets here and if its 3G.
I'll take it without the phone and minus a few $'s...

Thanks for the T3 review - very interesting. Agreed on 3G - EDGE is a half-hearted way to boost 2G services and is a US thing.
 
NOT Woz! T3 showing their ignorance of all things Apple.

Maybe "Woz" is his nickname inside Apple, since his name resembles Wozniak? Or maybe T3 called him "Woz" on their own? Anyway, I think it's safe to say that T3 doesn't think that Jozwiak is the Wozniak.

So take a chill-pill.
 
Apple isn't going to go backwards and take features out of this product to make a "true video ipod".

How would the be "going backwards"? They would be going forward. They would move the iPod a giant leap forward. And before you say "they woould be going backwards, since the new product would be inferior to this iPhone". Ummm... iPod and iPhone are two separate products. If Apple improves iPod, they are NOT "going backwards".

Apple will release a new 6G iPod soon. And it will be based on the iPhone-technology. It would be dumb for them to not use the tech.
 
Iv'e just watched the keynote launch of the iphone and the description and the apple website do not do this justice. For all those who haven't seen it, you should take a look, its mind blowing. As T3 said its moved the goal posts so far the competitors won't know where to look for them. Read about in print and you will miss the gravity of this thing. Its revolutionary.

3g or no 3 g I want one and as someone said if its got wifi, I would proably use Skype anyway.

This is link to the you tube as I can't get the apple site keynotes to play.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKuM8lVOCg8&mode=related&search=
 
I have only one question -- How is my corporation going to push email to this thing (and sync calendar and contacts)? Via Good, BES, ActiveSync, Intellisync?

Apple hasn't cited a single spec suggesting it will work with any of these protocols. If it doesn't, then it is not going to replace a blackberry or smartphone for the majority of businesspeople.

Is nobody else concerned about this? Windows Mobile may suck, but at least there are ways for corporations to push email to it. How is a corporation going to push email/calendar/contacts to an iPhone?

The iPhone's built-in Mail app probably will not support this -- I doubt Blackberry (BES) or Nokia (Intellisync) will license the software to Apple for use in Apple's mobile Mail client, because it'd take hardware sales away from them. Furthermore, I doubt Microsoft (ActiveSync) will license it either, because MS is in bed with hardware companies too. Maybe I could see Apple allowing Good Mobile Messaging to develop a standalone mail client for OSX mobile -- but it better interface well with the home screen, or it's not going to be a substitute for a blackberry or WM5 device.

There is no software development kit either, so no third party app is on the horizon for this (and the same licensing issues would be present anyway).

I think the iPhone is 1000x cooler than any blackberry or smartphone (even the blackjack). But without software for corporate email, it's useless to business end users.

What am I not seeing?
 
And what is craptastic? I have a RAZR too and it's pretty good at 1 week standby battery time...

Not me..

< 2 days standby.. 10 hours of use and it's annoyobeeping at me.

That's craptastic.

Like every Motorola phone I've ever had (this is my 5th).
 
Now, mind you, I don't think the iPhone is geared towards business users. It's a consumer product. Granted, many consumers won't buy a phone that's this expensive, but many still will. Apple is trying to show the proper way that a computer, a phone, and an DAP are supposed to converge.
 
EDGE vs. 3G

Please forgive my ignorance, but could someone briefly explain the difference between EDGE and 3G? Specifically, I've read that it's good that the iPhone has EDGE because you won't have to pay for a 3G data plan. Does that mean that the iPhone will just use "minutes" when using data options, or will the user have to buy a full-on data plan? My wife has a crappy Treo and we pay out the wazoo for a data plan (is that 3G or something else?). Now we're wondering that, if we both get an iPhone, whether our bill will be $200/month.

Any other info about EDGE vs. 3G (in non-techie lingo) would be greatly appreciated as well.
 
Please forgive my ignorance, but could someone briefly explain the difference between EDGE and 3G? Specifically, I've read that it's good that the iPhone has EDGE because you won't have to pay for a 3G data plan. Does that mean that the iPhone will just use "minutes" when using data options, or will the user have to buy a full-on data plan? My wife has a crappy Treo and we pay out the wazoo for a data plan (is that 3G or something else?). Now we're wondering that, if we both get an iPhone, whether our bill will be $200/month.

Any other info about EDGE vs. 3G (in non-techie lingo) would be greatly appreciated as well.

3G is a marketing and political term that effectively means a network with broadband speed Internet coupled with advanced voice services. UMTS is a 3G network type. CDMA2000 is kind of one too. GSM is a 2G network, and EDGE is an enhancement to GSM that gives it 3G like capabilities in some areas.

EDGE is officially a 3G standard, according to the ITU, but few people actually consider it one in real life.

Realistically, EDGE is limited to around 100kbps (more or less), whereas 3G networks will generally go to around 2-300kbps without falling over in most areas. The latter are being upgraded all the time, and faster rates are possible in some areas.

EDGE's real problem is its poor latency, which makes browsing the web slower than it should be. Latency is the speed at which a nugget of data travels through a network. For example, it might be that EDGE has a theoretical max speed of over 200kbps, but each time you make a request, it takes a second or two to arrive at the destination, and a similar amount of time for the destination's response to come back, so the network feels much slower than it should do.

Latency is less of an issue for most 3G networks, and is getting better (CDMA2000 with "revision B", UMTS with HSDPA/HSUPA.)

EDGE, and its slower predecessor GPRS, is the most widely available packet data system in the world, and its slow speed isn't considered a major issue considering most users are using it with phones and other small devices and downloading very small amounts of data. The Apple Telephonic Device's use of EDGE may hinder the web browsing ability of the device however.

In the medium term, expect a UMTS version of the phone, both because UMTS is common in Europe, the next major market the phone will be released in, and because both US major GSM (EDGE) networks are deploying UMTS networks this year (Cingular already has one in some parts of the country.)

In terms of pricing, EDGE is usually flat rate or charged by the kilobyte. It is rarely, if ever, charged by the minute. T-Mobile offers unlimited EDGE for between $6 and $20 a month, depending on the type of access you want, and Cingular's unlimited plans start around $20 and go up to $75, depending on the type of access you want there. (They're wierd, I expect them to simplify their plans in due time.)
 
Unfortunately not... In the US you get a bunch of minutes which are used for all calls (outgoing, incoming and even when you call the voicemail...).

But nights and weekends are almost always free, and voicemail calls and in-network mobile-to-mobile are usually free too.

In practice, very few people use all their minutes.
 
Please forgive my ignorance, but could someone briefly explain the difference between EDGE and 3G? Specifically, I've read that it's good that the iPhone has EDGE because you won't have to pay for a 3G data plan. Does that mean that the iPhone will just use "minutes" when using data options, or will the user have to buy a full-on data plan? My wife has a crappy Treo and we pay out the wazoo for a data plan (is that 3G or something else?). Now we're wondering that, if we both get an iPhone, whether our bill will be $200/month.

Any other info about EDGE vs. 3G (in non-techie lingo) would be greatly appreciated as well.


I find a good place to start is wikipedia.org.

3G with HSDPA (1.8Mbit/s at the moment) is what we need for the phone really. Brings it on a level with the blackjack.
 
But nights and weekends are almost always free, and voicemail calls and in-network mobile-to-mobile are usually free too.

In practice, very few people use all their minutes.

Hopefully they still keep the free cingular to cingular calls once the iPhone is released. What will the internet/text/pic/email service cost? :eek:
 
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