Frankly, you keep saying this...but what we say simply doesn't match your words. From where I'm sitting, there's PLENTY new stuff here.
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Frankly, you keep saying this...but what we say simply doesn't match your words. From where I'm sitting, there's PLENTY new stuff here.
Well maybe you're right. And if it is intended to be a "single carrier" thing, maybe Vodafone IS going to be it.. but not just for UK.. for the World. they ARE the worlds largest mobile network.
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Oh yeah? Just what is on offer? What about those of us who have absolutely no interest in a cell phone from Apple, however cool and flashy it may be? As I've said in other places, Apple's innovation as far as computers go seems to be seriously suffering lately.
Talk about a let down this year at MacWorld! MacWorld should be about the Mac, not a new flashy cell phone (and this was - amazingly - pretty much all that the Keynote was about). Sorry to sound like all the other complainers (I really don't enjoy complaining), but those of us who: 1) have been around long enough to remember when Apple made innovative and cutting-edge computers and were far less "corporate" minded, and 2) have no interest in this new little overpriced gadget have a right to be very disappointed right now, especially in light of all the pre-MacWorld rumors floating around pertaining to products which Apple used to be very serious about, i.e. computers.
Oh yeah? Just what is on offer? What about those of us who have absolutely no interest in a cell phone from Apple, however cool and flashy it may be? As I've said in other places, Apple's innovation as far as computers go seems to be seriously suffering lately.
Talk about a let down this year at MacWorld! MacWorld should be about the Mac, not a new flashy cell phone (and this was - amazingly - pretty much all that the Keynote was about). Sorry to sound like all the other complainers (I really don't enjoy complaining), but those of us who: 1) have been around long enough to remember when Apple made innovative and cutting-edge computers and were far less "corporate" minded, and 2) have no interest in this new little overpriced gadget have a right to be very disappointed right now, especially in light of all the pre-MacWorld rumors floating around pertaining to products which Apple used to be very serious about, i.e. computers.
Thanks for the link! I knew there was a formal procedure, but couldn't find it.
FCC approval takes two months under ideal conditions, i.e., the hardware easily passes all the radiated tests, E911 location determination works, the remaining unstomped bugs in the software don't lock up the phone during testing, there's nobody immediately ahead of you in the queue, the stars are aligned properly, etc. Anything goes wrong, and you have to start from square one again once you fix whatever failed. Meanwhile, the carrier (Cingular, in this case) is performing similar testing, along with interoperability tests. Some carrier testing (*cough*Verizon*cough) can easily run twice as long as the FCC's, and again, you have to start from scratch if there's any failure. Add four to six weeks to ramp up production and fill the distribution pipeline once FCC and carrier approval is obtained, and June looks about right. This is well in line with the announce/release pattern of other cell phones.
You're obviously clueless when it comes to trademarks. If anything, it's a negotiating ploy on the part of cisco to get more money.
Well fiddle245, imho you're pushing it a little at the moment. This must be your zillionth post by now stating the same "not revolutionary" sentence, so I guess we all know what you mean now
No seriously, like I've already said 10 pages ago, you have some valid arguments, and I even agree that the innovations by themselves are not revolutionary, at best evolutionary. But something like the iPhone has not been done before, an never have so many of the best features been available in 1 device, and been implemented as seemlessly as they have in the case of iPhone, and have been available with an interface that you and me are instantly familiar with. Apple has not reinvented the wheel, but they surely made it a heck more attractive
But don't get me wrong either : I absolutely hate the fact that it comes with a contract (making it in reality much more expensive than we're actually seeing), and it isn't UMTS, making it next to worthless in a European environment, and it's a little short on capacity, but these things have been mentioned a zillion times already as well.
So in the end I see a brilliant new device, one I definately will get sooner or later, if I can in any way affort it. That is : I'll get it if it ever reaches belgium, as locked phones are by law forbidden here. I hope Steve doesn't turn awya because of that...
um. you do know what a RUMOR is, right? if you believed the hype, and expected an 8core macpro with 4 graphics cards in SLI and 8 drive bays that is priced just above the imac that at the push of a button breaks the laws of physics and transforms into a 8"x11" 1/2" thick tablet running a new version of osx that has a built in win32 application layer and ilife07uber version and iwork07ultimatextreme1337 version.... well then thats your fault for believing the hype, isnt it? Dont blame apple just because YOU read rumors as gospel.
....and Christmas is a pagan holiday co-opted by Christians. Does that mean we should all spend the evening of 24 December dancing around a fir tree in the forest? Times change and as I've mentioned a couple of dozen times now, Apple is now Apple Inc. NOT Apple Compter Inc. Their direction is changing from merely a computer maker to a manufacture that embraces all of the digital lifestyle.
Then again, all I'm waiting for is for Leopard to be released so I can buy me a new Mini!
I saw this coming, but damn, Cisco sure didn't waste any time filing suit. I can just imagine their legal department sharpening its teeth for this.
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Thanks for the insight. It all makes sense to a june release then. I still just wonder it is very un apple like to do this and can see that they did not want the product leaked by some dude at the FCC but surely they could have done something to stop the FCC leaking it. Surely legally The FCC would not be allowed to leak the product without being sued by Apple. Many other products go through testing without being leaked. I do hope it is not a trend. I love during keynotes when Steve Jobs announces "it will be shipping from today" But appletv and phone and even the new airport extreme are all a future release date.
Thanks for the insight. It all makes sense to a june release then. I still just wonder it is very un apple like to do this and can see that they did not want the product leaked by some dude at the FCC but surely they could have done something to stop the FCC leaking it. Surely legally The FCC would not be allowed to leak the product without being sued by Apple. Many other products go through testing without being leaked. I do hope it is not a trend. I love during keynotes when Steve Jobs announces "it will be shipping from today" But appletv and phone and even the new airport extreme are all a future release date.
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I've also been around long enough to see what Apple have been up to, and the world has changed somewhat.
I was there with the Mac Classic 4/40 and System 7, through the abyss that was the Performa, System 7.5 and OS 8, and out the other side with the PowerBook G3, G4, OS 9 and OS X. Even before that I was there with the Apple ][, the Apple //c and the Apple ///.
Apple still make cutting edge computers, but the world has moved on. No longer is there the division between office and home computers, they are now the same beast. Gone are the days of acoustic couplers, tape recorders and punch cards
Being cutting edge in the computer world is now far more difficult, even more so with no exciting new chips for a while. This is a step sideways, it's a gamble and it may just pay off.
The iPod wasn't 'revolutionary' in its technology, it was in the interface and ease of use. It seems the same may be true of the iPhone (lawsuits over names permitting)
I've also been around long enough to see what Apple have been up to, and the world has changed somewhat.
I was there with the Mac Classic 4/40 and System 7, through the abyss that was the Performa, System 7.5 and OS 8, and out the other side with the PowerBook G3, G4, OS 9 and OS X. Even before that I was there with the Apple ][, the Apple //c and the Apple ///.
Apple still make cutting edge computers, but the world has moved on. No longer is there the division between office and home computers, they are now the same beast. Gone are the days of acoustic couplers, tape recorders and punch cards
Being cutting edge in the computer world is now far more difficult, even more so with no exciting new chips for a while. This is a step sideways, it's a gamble and it may just pay off.
The iPod wasn't 'revolutionary' in its technology, it was in the interface and ease of use. It seems the same may be true of the iPhone (lawsuits over names permitting)
The FCC posts all requests for certification publicly. The posts include internal and external pictures of the device, as well as a number of technical specifications. The postings are often the first, and sometimes the only time some products come to light. The minute that post goes up, any veil of secrecy surrounding the existence of a product is toast. Manufacturers can (and do) request short-term confidentiality for things like the schematic and photographs, but the application itself -- the dead giveaway of the product -- is still posted. For example, here's one of the applications for the new AirPort Express that was also announced. This letter (PDF, sorry) indicates that its schematics and pictures may be released this coming Monday, but the application itself dates back to October. By announcing now, before the application is posted, Apple gains maximum "shock & awe" for the phone.
Me, I'm waiting to see how well Cingular controls the test phones once it gets them from Apple, and how Apple/Steve reacts when the first one inevitably gets loose. I couldn't tell you the number of times I've seen prototype phones from other manufacturers show up on eBay after "trusted, experienced user" testing starts at the first carrier to pick up a phone.
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I'm not sure if you're kidding, but if the iPhone does have SkyNet, is it not GPS?
http://www.skynetmobile.com/faq.htm
I hope so
I certainly hope so. I must admit I did not max out my credit card over xmas just incase a new 8-core mac was announced yesterday. In a month I might have paid a little more off so can maybe get aperture bundled with it and a little more memory.
Also bear in mind that Apple normally doesn't announce hardware until it's either sitting in the back rooms of their stores or darn close to it. The Apple TV and "iPhone" (trademark litigation pending
I certainly hope so. I must admit I did not max out my credit card over xmas just incase a new 8-core mac was announced yesterday. In a month I might have paid a little more off so can maybe get aperture bundled with it and a little more memory.
Hours of playing Street fighter 2 as a kid, will have more of an impact on my thumbs than any phone will.
One of the most attractive aspects of texting is speed. Email on a phone doesn't even come close to it. On my nokia 6233 i hit at least 50 words a minute (and i'm one of those rare individuals that refrains from using txt spk), i don't even have to look at the screen.
My friend, you obviously were not following any of the rumors just before MacWorld. (If you had been, I think you would also be surprised that Apple didn't announce anything other than the iPhone).
Maybe you haven't been in the Mac scene for very long, but if you review all of the MacWorld Keynotes over the last 5 years, you will see that they all had announcements pertaining to new Mac products (it is called MACWorld after all).
My friend, you obviously were not following any of the rumors just before MacWorld. (If you had been, I think you would also be surprised that Apple didn't announce anything other than the iPhone).
Maybe you haven't been in the Mac scene for very long, but if you review all of the MacWorld Keynotes over the last 5 years, you will see that they all had announcements pertaining to new Mac products (it is called MACWorld after all).
Well, I've been using Macs for about 14 years so I guess maybe that does make me new.
And yes I read many a rumor regarding products that might be released. However, as i pointed out. its just common sense. maybe this will make my point clearer:
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Do you notice the parts I added emphasis to?
Do you get my point. I dont care how many people on digg.com said "omg i saw this demo of a new apple notebook with a built in xxxxxxxxxx function!!!". until you see some RELIABLE proof of it, like, i dunno, a guy in a turtle-kneck saying "oh yeah, one more thing..." dont take it as gospel.
i don't like to get into the business end of things. marketing is not my bag.
to agree with you i would just have to say, good point.
to disagree i would have to say,
first there was ipod, then there was ipod mini because ipod was more than the second set of buyers wanted, then there was ipod shuffle because there was a third set of buyers. now we have a phone strategy.
if it follows the same curve as ipod, first apple says, "yo! music phone buyers! looky looky! shiny touch phone! pritty pritty! be the first on your block!" unabashedly sexy and physical, like turny turny wheel on first ipod, apple brags, "touch your music" and "killer app is making a call." you've never called anybody until you've done them on the iphone.
then you say, here is the slim version. then you say, here is the version you swallow that lets you tune in your phone calls from space. waaaaaaa! the competitors are crying. boo hoo hoo.
i don't know which is right. i bought a 2GB ipod nano 4 years after the novelty was off because that was what i could use, the others were too big, too this, too that, same way i bought an alphasmart and years later, a palmish handheld, years after seriously considering buying an emate. i have narrow needs. it's entirely possible that an ancestor of iphone will replace this computer i'm using right now. love to see it.
hahahahahahahahaha. thank you. I didnt know other Mac users with common sense still existed. It seems like no matter what gets announced, this forum does an amazing job of b!tching like school girls, only to line up out side of Apple the day it comes out.
Now of course, many of the users i guess might not be able to find the Apple Incorporated stores because they will still be looking for the Apple Computers Incorporated
Does any one know if you can swap in other sim cards such as T-Mobile and use iphone or is it locked down, what effects might occur to it if you put in other sim cards????
Don't try it. Your iPhone will blow up.
Does any one know if you can swap in other sim cards such as T-Mobile and use iphone or is it locked down, what effects might occur to it if you put in other sim cards????
Sim locking is a standard "feature" in GSM phones. It allows network providers to offer subsidised handsets without fear of a user simply using the phone with another network.
im not sure about the states, but here (australia) you can pay a fee to the original operator and have the phone unlocked. you can also usually find unlock codes online on slightly less than "legal"-orientated websites/forums.
Future iPhone Features
Did anyone notice during the keynote, just before introducing the Cingular CEO, Steve said "visual voice mail is the first fruit of this collaboration, and you will see more." I wonder what that "more" will be? Keep your ears open for new feautures to be introduced prior to the iPhone shipping.
And let's hope Apple Inc. opens up the iPhone to developers...I can think of a lot of useful Widgets I'd like to see ported to this puppy before June.
Did anyone notice during the keynote, just before introducing the Cingular CEO, Steve said "visual voice mail is the first fruit of this collaboration, and you will see more." I wonder what that "more" will be? Keep your ears open for new feautures to be introduced prior to the iPhone shipping.
And let's hope Apple Inc. opens up the iPhone to developers...I can think of a lot of useful Widgets I'd like to see ported to this puppy before June.
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