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Surprised these M2 devices don't have WiFi6E.

Still no wi-fi 6e and no av1 hardware decode support (they only listed h.264, hevc, prores, etc)

I bought a 16" M1 Max though so at this point don't care that much. Will upgrade in 5yrs or so when there is wi-fi 7 support :)
 
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I’d like both. I’ve had the 2020 version for about a month now. Rarely get to use it. But I can see where the Touch Bar isn’t utilized as much as it could be.

I do miss MagSafe. I haven’t had a MacBook in maybe 8 years but I’ve almost knocked the power cable off a couple of times, expecting it to just pop off.
Same. I have a 2018 MBP that I've been holding onto for dear life, hoping the keyboard doesn't give up the ghost again.

But a new Touch Bar M2 MBP may compel me to upgrade, especially since I'll be able to get AC+ again and not worry about potential keyboard issues down the road.
 
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Neither did the prev. 13" fit anywhere - it was by far the worst-value offering. I don't see why anyone would have chosen it over the M1 Air or the 14".
I absolutely love mine, and while originally torn on the decision over the Air, I ultimately went with it for better screen, better battery, and better sustained performance. It also came out several months before the 14" and is way more portable.

Going with the Air this time though for the bigger/better screen and new design. I can deal with the performance hit, as it's probably still at least on par with the one I've been using, but if portability and performance were my main concerns, I'd personally go with the M2 13" Pro.
 
What an odd release! Clearly just an update of the M1 version internals, so now technically worse than the cheaper MBA, which has a better and larger screen due to the reduced bezels. Why not just wait and upgrade this model later, so it matches the rest of the range? I've got the M1 version and it'd be a pointless upgrade
 
What a bizarre device in the line up, the Air gets a redesign but the Pro doesn’t?
The low-end 13" MacBook not-very-Pro (first as the '13" MBP without touch bar', then the '2 port 13" MBP' after it got the touchbar) hasn't made sense to me since it appeared in 2016 - occupying a very narrow price/performance niche between the Air and the touchbar/4-port/14" MBP. The M1 version carried on that tradition...

...but I guess Apple wouldn't make it if it didn't sell. All I can imagine is that it somehow hits the sweet-spot for some significant market.
 
What is the difference between Retina and Liquid Retina? On paper the M2 Air seems to have the better screen.
the screen appears to be just upgraded to be on par with the 13" Pro in terms of brightness and color gamut.
not as good as screens on the 14" and 16"
 

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The low-end 13" MacBook not-very-Pro (first as the '13" MBP without touch bar', then the '2 port 13" MBP' after it got the touchbar) hasn't made sense to me since it appeared in 2016 - occupying a very narrow price/performance niche between the Air and the touchbar/4-port/14" MBP. The M1 version carried on that tradition...

...but I guess Apple wouldn't make it if it didn't sell. All I can imagine is that it somehow hits the sweet-spot for some significant market.
you guys keep forgetting that the 13" Pro was out a whole YEAR before the 14"
 
Well your dreams have come true. Buy as many TouchBars as you'd like. Apparently, Apple has plenty...but curiously only decided to keep it on this device. (Maybe they're trying to gauge customer demand before re-introducing on other models.)
I have the 13" Pro with touch bar and i just stopped using it because it's abandoned. There's no way people will buy the older design for touchbar over the new Air with magsafe
 
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And yeah there's no way M2 outperforms an M1 Pro 10core. Maaaaybe it will come close to the M1 Pro 8-core in the 14"?
It's gonna depend on how well your particular workload scales to multi-core (both CPU and GPU). Some tasks scale almost proportionally to the number of cores, for others adding more cores gives rapidly diminishing returns, and the faster single core performance will dominate.
 
As a person weirdly excited by this, vs the M2 MBA:

— no notch is a win
— offers 10% more battery life
— fan for sustained performance or working in hot ambient conditions
— the touchbar can be customized and it has its fans

But. It has a worse camera, fewer speakers, a smaller screen, and no MagSafe.
 
...but it was still only marginally faster than the Air, and then the 14" came out, with a better screen and better CPU.
but it still had better screen, battery and better sustained performance (unless you modded the M1 Air which then became unbearably hot to the touch).
Well yeah obviously when 14" came out 13" didn't make any sense whatsoever. But i've used my M1 13" for a year and it paid for itself long before 14" came out.

And despite everything, when running large documents in affinity or in logic for extended periods, fans hover at 1200RPM - especially now in summer. this is the point where M1 Air throttles >> logic overload.

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attachment my fan load for the past 30 days
It's gonna depend on how well your particular workload scales to multi-core (both CPU and GPU). Some tasks scale almost proportionally to the number of cores, for others adding more cores gives rapidly diminishing returns, and the faster single core performance will dominate.

For audio particularly, the biggest advantage of M1 was insane single-core performance because multicore distribution is really poor across the board for audio.
Also i suspect good memory bandwidth because it allows for smaller buffers with large loads that i never could achieve on intels
 

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Apple today unveiled an updated 13-inch MacBook Pro featuring Apple's next-generation custom M2 chip.

13-mbp-m2.jpg

The new 13-inch MacBook Pro is essentially a processor bump, with the design and other hardware features identical to the previous model.

Built using second-generation 5-nanometer technology, Apple's M2 chip improves upon the M1 in every respect, with a 18 percent faster CPU, a 35 percent more powerful GPU, and a 40 percent faster Neural Engine. It also delivers 50 percent more memory bandwidth compared to M1, and up to 24GB of fast unified memory.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro will be available to order from next month, with prices starting from $1,299.

More to follow...

Article Link: Apple Announces Updated 13-inch MacBook Pro With New M2 Chip
so let me get this right, no WIFI 6E for the new Apple M2 Computers?
 
This is the only spec I was interested in:
  • One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz
And it appears that in 2022 a MacBook with a pro at the end of the name can't handle two external monitors. Sad
 
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This needs to be replaced with a proper MacBook.

Air = fanless, thinnest, lightest (consumer)
MacBook = Add fan, a bit more I/O (prosumer)
Pro = we already have these (pro)

Also, i doubt this form factor sees another generation. It could even die off throughout the M2 cycle and be replaced with a MacBook.
 
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