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Stop apologising and do some basic freaking testing and QA before rolling out (delayed) promised features. Every week there's a different bug, "gate" or whatnot.

So they should have assumed that someone would start a Group FaceTime and then add themselves back into it during testing. Okay. Not sure how they were supposed to make that assumption cause it’s a weird ass sounding thing. Maybe they should hire a pack of teenagers to security test their software from now on

Oh and most of those bugs, ‘gates’ etc don’t happen to everyone. They just get hyped up by sites like this for page hits so it seems like they are bigger than they are
 
Has anyone tried to do a search to find out if others have found this bug and shared it on the internet? How likely is it that someone has used this bug to spy on people?

Have any of these lawyers proof that any of their clients been spied on with this bug?
Just since something can be done, does not mean that it was done. it seems that there are a lot of opportunistic lawyers looking for a pay day.

Read the book The King of Torts.
 
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This woman did *everything* right. She got blown off by the security team! Apple's cancerous hiring growth has lead to a mountain of people with no clue about Apple's actual culture or standards. We see the results in the headlines here daily for the last few years.

Who says she got blown off by them. What because Tim Cook didn’t show up at her house the next day with a fat check for her. It’s common practice not to acknowledge a possible security issue until it’s actually be confirmed, the source found and a way to deal with it discovered. Because if you admit there’s a security issue folks run to try to exploit it before you can patch it.

The fact that she was all ‘i’m going to give them a week and then i’m going to leak it’ says more about her than Apple.
 
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Look at Apple apologizing only because they got caught and now they’re trying to cover their behinds. They should have apologized.
 
Who says she got blown off by them. What because Tim Cook didn’t show up at her house the next day with a fat check for her. It’s common practice not to acknowledge a possible security issue until it’s actually be confirmed, the source found and a way to deal with it discovered. Because if you admit there’s a security issue folks run to try to exploit it before you can patch it.

The fact that she was all ‘i’m going to give them a week and then i’m going to leak it’ says more about her than Apple.

You obviously have not been paying attention. It's the security team that told her "file a Radar."
 
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Has anyone tried to do a search to find out if others have found this bug and shared it on the internet? How likely is it that someone has used this bug to spy on people?

Have any of these lawyers proof that any of their clients been spied on with this bug?
Just since something can be done, does not mean that it was done. it seems that there are a lot of opportunistic lawyers looking for a pay day.

Read the book The King of Torts.

A bit redundant, isn't it? Saying the same thing 3 times in one sentence?!
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JK. I think you're spot on. It should be demonstrated that harm has actually been caused before anything can even begin to proceed with such claims.
 
Meanwhile, Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc are boldly and obviously stealing EVERYTHING from you and nobody bats an eye.

True. Facebook still has those cookies going that read what you are doing online and pick ads for it. I suspect that if I go into Facebook after I post this, all my ads will be electronics and most of those Apple. Cause i was just on this site. And no lawsuits over that
 
You obviously have not been paying attention. It's the security team that told her "file a Radar."

If they told her that then they didn’t ‘blow her off’. They asked her to submit her information through the official channel.

But again, the stories are all making out like she expected an immediate reply and big pay off and within hours and she didn’t get it so she leaked the issue. Had she said nothing, Apple could have quietly fixed it without folks trying to use the exploit to spy on boyfriends etc. and I stand by my opinion that that says more about her and her real motives than Apple
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Basically heads I win tails you lose.

It’s apple so it’s heads I lose, tails I lose. Because they haven’t been able to do anything right since Steve died if you listen to the media etc.
 
Who says she got blown off by them. What because Tim Cook didn’t show up at her house the next day with a fat check for her. It’s common practice not to acknowledge a possible security issue until it’s actually be confirmed, the source found and a way to deal with it discovered. Because if you admit there’s a security issue folks run to try to exploit it before you can patch it.

The fact that she was all ‘i’m going to give them a week and then i’m going to leak it’ says more about her than Apple.


I suspect they had been notified of the bug already and were hard at work fixing it in secret before it became widely known (damage control). And then this Texas hillbilly goes and tells Fox news...
 
The real problem with FaceTime is that the connection state can be controlled remotely. If the FT connection state was exclusively driven from the client then this bug couldn't have happened.

IMO this is the major problem with FaceTime that the bug exposed. The bug implies that Apple can listen in on your phone's audio and video at any time. FT has been around for so long that the functionality is probably part of the design; that's not something that would be "new in Group FaceTime."

Sounds like someone needs to take off his tin foil hat. These sorts of things can occur at any point, especially when you are recoding for new functionality. Means nothing in regards to the notion that it’s always been there
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I suspect they had been notified of the bug already and were hard at work fixing it in secret before it became widely known (damage control). And then this Texas hillbilly goes and tells Fox news...

I don’t know about them already knowing about it but yeah it’s pretty common for Apple to be secretive about security issues until after the fix is out there and has been for a while.

And yes this woman releasing it for her 15 minutes of fame did more damage in terms of telling folks the bug existed than anything else
 
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Has anyone tried to do a search to find out if others have found this bug and shared it on the internet? How likely is it that someone has used this bug to spy on people?

Have any of these lawyers proof that any of their clients been spied on with this bug?
Just since something can be done, does not mean that it was done. it seems that there are a lot of opportunistic lawyers looking for a pay day.

Read the book The King of Torts.

How do you think they have recordings of Jamal Khashoggi's murder from his own iPhone? So, it's as early as October 2018.
 
If the bugs aren't found during the betas, you can't blame these companies for releasing a version they feel is ready.

I work in software. It's not about blame, I'll grant you that. It's about getting a good version out there, and if there are bugs that need fixing getting good fixes out there.

Who but us (collectively, as a company) do you blame, then? I appreciate external testers letting me know what they find, but that's not their job.
 
Sounds like someone needs to take off his tin foil hat. These sorts of things can occur at any point, especially when you are recoding for new functionality. Means nothing in regards to the notion that it’s always been there
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I don’t know about them already knowing about it but yeah it’s pretty common for Apple to be secretive about security issues until after the fix is out there and has been for a while.

And yes this woman releasing it for her 15 minutes of fame did more damage in terms of telling folks the bug existed than anything else

If they would’ve worked on it they would have told her so. Why risk that she goes to the press, instead of saying “****, thanks, but can we keep it between us until we fixed it?”
 
This does suck and is embarrassing -- but zooming out to the bigger picture, I'll still take Apple's bad fumble here over the privacy crap Google and Facebook push intentionally.
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Google and Facebook invade your privacy every day in more insidious ways than you can imagine but THIS is what gets people up in arms? Give me a break.
Couldn't agree more. At least I know Apple has engineers working to correct this (admittedly pretty bad) bug -- Google and Facebook have teams working right now on ways to creep into everything we do.

The other big Apple news yesterday? They cut off the enterprise certificates of both Google and Facebook over abuse and "disrupted" them both pretty badly.
 
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Probably because they have hundreds of millions of users and likely BILLIONS of bug reports, the vast majority of which are stupid and/or duplicates and/or wrong. No company can possibly check every single report from any random user instantly. Can people start using their heads here?

It’s more likely that the issue is that they do check every report. Having to go through 100 million reports that turn out to be someone just doens’t understand how something works or its a bug with a third party app that hasn’t been allowed to release their update cause the iOS version is still beta would bog up the works
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Sorry, had an issue on the site. Let me clarify: Group Facetime was released on developer AND public beta WEEKS before its release. Since then, 2 more iOS updates were released. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people tested the feature and only RECENTLY did it surface. Is that better?

There are enough folks that live to find this kind of issue out there that it’s very possible that the bug only popped up in the most recent version
 
Stop apologising and do some basic freaking testing and QA before rolling out (delayed) promised features. Every week there's a different bug, "gate" or whatnot.
I hate to agree with this, but you are right. What happened to the Apple I once knew? It isn't as though they are lacking on resources.
 
Not good enough Apple, not by a long long long long long long way...

People are getting VERY sick and tired of all these endless ‘bugs’, they have been worst then ever over the last few years.

No excuse, the blame MUST lie squarely at the feet of Cook and the entire board. It is THERE jobs to run the company and they are utterly drastically failing in the software quality department.

Software Apple ALONE makes, software designed to EXCLUSIVELY run in spples devices it’s solely designed.

Increasing prices exponentially, making billions and billions and billions in profits every quarter, using loopholes and tax hauvens to avoid paying your taxes correctly, it’s disgusting, but then to consistently provide shocking bugs that you have no excuse for does push the limits.

No doubt it’ll cost a few sales, and hopefully share price as that seems to be ALL the board understands and cares about these days..

And it’s about God damn time people on here stopped making endless excuses for Apple and its bugs..

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Right. Endless bugs.

Your rant is unnecessary and dramatic.

EVERY company issues patches and fixes for bugs. With Android of course, it takes much longer because of the many different OEMS who use it in their devices. Apple isn’t the only company that is guilty. This bug has nothing to do with their sales or supposed “greed”.
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OK awesome ... FYI, EVERY TECH COMPANY HAS BUGS AND SOME MORE SERIOUS THAN OTHERS. Apple makes their own software and supports billions of devices in the wild. They have an extensive beta program that AT LEAST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people are a part of. The bug slipped through the cracks so they fixed it. We aren't talking about Google+ or Facebook which leaked tens of millions of people's data, election tampering, how about Google releasing a $800-1000 phone that couldn't save photos, batteries overheated, memory issues, bad audio quality and horrid voice call quality. But you know, it's GOOGLE!! How could they ever have a social media platform that leaked used data or release buggy products???

Bugs are a part of the game sir. It's how the company responds when a bug surfaces is what matters the most. We all don't want the issues, but overall, Apple has addressed it swiftly and making sure it's fixed the right way. Appreciate that
Couldn’t agree more!
 
I hate to agree with this, but you are right. What happened to the Apple I once knew? It isn't as though they are lacking on resources.


iOS/macOS is/are far more complex than it was a decade ago, so yeah, more bugs creep in, putting aside more engineers won't help, better tracking/reporting of bugs on the other hand helps and that's what Apple said they are going to do better going forward.
 
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