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Obviously you've never written any code of significance. It's easy, even trivial to introduce a bug that doesn't cause a crash or hang. It doesn't require a conspiracy to botch an "if" statement that turns video on when a button is pressed instead of turning it off.

I don't recall any bug that happens to be the government's most valuable surveillance tool. True definition of a government 'bug'. Very bad consumer bug though.
 
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How long did the privacy breach continue? Indefinitely, or only until the call timed out for not being accepted?

When you call someone and they don't answer, Facetime gives up after some number of seconds-- did this bug continue after that time?
 
Another excuse by the blindly defending Apple. To use your analogy, as the hardware evolves so should the QC and testing to equal the advancements. One shouldn’t be lagging behind the other. That’s just stupid.

It's easier said than done for people who are unfamiliar with how an OS works. And it's pointless to argue cuz people without any knowledge are often reluctant to accept anything that contradicts their opinion. Confirmation bias!
 
I thought it was a mistake until I realized that when using this bug and adding yourself, if the user on the other end hits the power button (which is common to do to decline a call), only *then* does it activate the video.

Why would a bug, already in process, *further* bug-a-fy itself by allowing the video to be enacted once the power button is hit?

It really doesn't make sense. Think about it. Think of the implications of what this bug could do for law enforcement or anyone with nefarious motives, really.

If it were intentional it would not deactivate the audio when you hit power. It does. It’s a bug.
 
What happened to Apple is that the software and hardware has evolved exponentially over the years and is a lot more complex than it was before. It's like comparing a kids' toy car to that of a Ferrari. They're both technically cars so why would replacing a side mirror of a Ferrari costs more than the toy car itself?
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Designing and manufacturing are not the same pal.

And if you're so sure about your rational for a bug in the software, why haven't you answered my question about Google Play Store?

Ok, so you are now blaming Foxconn are you and not Apple? That is how your comment reads... blaming anyone else other then Apples incompetence and focus on profits first.
And I didn’t read your comment about Google who have nothing to do with this story about Apple and is just more deflection.

And Apple exclusively designs its SOCs which is what iOS runs on.
 
Not a chance, stop making excuses and accept Apple places profits and share price above quality control. Don’t give me the spin about complex either. Because last time I checked Apple has billions and billions tax free to spend on employees of the highest calibre to code properly. And as I stated IT designed the hardware the OS runs on.
Stop deflecting from the point of my post too by claiming it has mistakes.

Nobody is perfect, you're delusional if you think so, even the best/smartest people make mistakes.

I counted a minimum of 6 "bugs" in your post, you are human, you make mistakes, so do others, in no way I care about those "bugs" inside your post, I normally read over them, I just wanted you to see that if you can make mistakes everybody makes mistakes, fact.
No money can buy a 100% bug free OS, fact.

Right, continued use of the public as their beta testers. People continuing to blindly defend Apple doesn’t help any of us.

What blindly, do you really think I 100% like Apple and have no negativity, I do, for instance, I hate the prices of Apples hardware, they got substantially more expensive last few years, to give you an example, the cheapest MBP got about € 500 more expensive over the last few years, iPhones-don't even have to tell you, Mac Mini-yup, iMacs-yup.
I also dislike the fashionable Apple watch(bands), Kick Angela out I say.
 
Ok, so you are now blaming Foxconn are you and not Apple? That is how your comment reads... blaming anyone else other then Apples incompetence and focus on profits first.
And I didn’t read your comment about Google who have nothing to do with this story about Apple and is just more deflection.

And Apple exclusively designs its SOCs which is what iOS runs on.

You still don't get how things work here. The chips are borrowed from Intel and Qualcomm not Foxconn. Just cuz you're misreading my statement doesn't mean it's what I said.

And I never said Google has anything to do with this article. Just that I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter since it's a similar case. You're saying since Apple does their own software for their custom designed hardware it should be bug free before they're delivered while I'm saying introduction of new features into an existing software would be grounds for potential bugs that can be overlooked regardless of how huge your testing team is.
 
In what scenario does one find themselves thinking "oh, the other party isn't answering, maybe I should just FaceTime myself?"

With the attitude "why would I do that", you'll never find this bug. A lot of people spend their time trying to break stuff. Either bored teenagers, or security experts hoping for a bounty, or spy agencies. You need general curiosity and an open mind.

The best way probably is to train an AI to look for unexpected behavior. It's well-known that an AI playing video games tends to find and abuse all sorts of bugs. As long as you reward the machine for achieving a high score, it will find many ways to cheat. It can spend days, weeks trying nonstop, without getting bored or tired. Humans would never find these.

Maybe we should train an AI trying to break security. Just make sure the AI cannot break out of its isolated sandbox and start corrupting the whole world. Like a robot playing video games cannot do too much harm. (Famous last words of a fallen civilization.)
 
Right, continued use of the public as their beta testers. People continuing to blindly defend Apple doesn’t help any of us.
They have a public beta program because so many developers were violating their ToS to enrol eager enthusiasts' phones in the developer beta program, not because they were shifting testing to them. But I'm sure they do appreciate the added testing and feedback.
 
It's impossible to uncover all bugs in any software release no matter what company is involved. That's why releases continue to happen any why beta releases take place. If the bugs aren't found during the betas, you can't blame these companies for releasing a version they feel is ready.

Typical reply from someone who writes buggy software. Not necessarily referring to you, as your statement could just be coincidence. But software developers the world over use this excuse to pass off mediocre work.

Of course, bugs can be found, but first you to create an environment where major bugs are not tolerated. Jobs was the master of that, ask anyone who worked for him. Did a few sneak through, of course, but not every release as we are seeing now. And when these bugs did happen there was a price to pay and everyone knew what it was.

Apple has for whatever reason; apathy, greed, low skill level, lack of monitoring, lack of time, staff size, etc. created an environment where bugs don't really matter. What does matter? Hitting the schedule, bugs or not. How do we know? Because the bugs are so prevelant. If Apple wants to change this environment it will take years of pain. A company does not simply turn on QA like a switch.

There is a reason why finance guys should not be running tech companies. No one, except a finance guy, would tell an Indy race car driver to hop over to the local Ford car lot and pick up their race car because it will be much cheaper. Well yes, it is cheaper but you're not likely to win many races. Apple is not winning with their brand and the quality image it used to represent.

Of course they are still selling a lot of phones. But that can't last if the brand is damaged.
 
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Of course, bugs can be found, but first you to create an environment where major bugs are not tolerated. Jobs was the master of that, ask anyone who worked for him. Did a few sneak through, of course, but not every release as we are seeing now. And when these bugs did happen there was a price to pay and everyone knew what it was.
Like the bug where Snow Leopard wiped your personal home directory, deleting all of your data, if you logged in as Guest?

Snow Leopard was a buggy garbage fire when it was first released.
 
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My understanding is Apple is very reluctant to do major hiring outside of Cupertino (and I’m not talking about Apple Store employees). Apple also likes to say how it is a “large start up” or at least acts like or is organized like one. They have the same handful of Vice Presidents they had when they were a fraction of the size; perhaps a few more.

Well, Apple, you are no longer a “big start up.” You’re a GIANT CORPORATION. Time to start developing and testing products like one.

Apple should really be embarrassed. I’m not so concerned about the price of their stuff; I’m concerned about the super shoddy quality control with both hardware and software. It’s like the problems, whether hardware or software problems, or product delays or non-launches, never seems to end. And they’re taking it on the chin financially.

Can anyone truly look at these continuing issues and say “nothing to see here, folks. Best iPhones we ever made. It’s China’s fault. We’ll ‘try harder’ when it comes to bugs.”

Lol. Sure.
 
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Am I the only person in the world who thinks the process to even get to this bug is asinine and outside of the normal use case of the average person? In what scenario does one find themselves thinking "oh, the other party isn't answering, maybe I should just FaceTime myself?"?

Never underestimate the average users complete lack of understanding of technology. Further, when faced with problems their typical instincts on how to solve things are usually beyond baffling. Anyone in tech support has experienced this (daily). It's 2019 and we are talking about a billion dollar company with vast resources, not some indy developer. They should have done better. I think we all expect better.
 
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Google and Facebook invade your privacy every day in more insidious ways than you can imagine but THIS is what gets people up in arms? Give me a break.
It’s not the privacy issue. It’s the shoddy and re-worked (but still shoddy) keyboards, bugs and other issues over and over again.

We pay a lot for these products. I don’t think I’m expecting too much to not have my discussions kept private before I pick up a FaceTime call. I’d like to be able to use a keyboard that doesn’t break FROM NORMAL USE.
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Never underestimate the average users complete lack of understanding of technology. Further, when faced with problems their typical instincts on how to solve things are usually beyond baffling. Anyone in tech support has experienced this (daily). It's 2019 and we are talking about a billion dollar company with vast resources, not some indy developer. They should have done better. I think we all expect better.
Here, here.
 
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We pay a lot for these products. I don’t think I’m expecting too much to not have my discussions kept private before I pick up a FaceTime call. I’d like to be able to use a keyboard that doesn’t break FROM NORMAL USE.

Jobs did run a tight leash when it comes to the QC on the products and Apple would benefit from changes within the company and place a higher priority over quality of their products. It's probably due for an overhaul as to how the engineers handle the bugs.
 
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It's all good, as long as Tim keeps doing more interviews, being the nicest CEO to work with, keeps apologizing, keeps having more town hall meetings, more talks, these little things don't matter.
I have a lot of respect to this guy for real, like, honestly, how do you manage to run such a huge IT company, yet you have so much time showing faces in public medias and talks, I'm mind blown.
 
Jobs did run a tight leash when it comes to the QC on the products and Apple would benefit from changes within the company and place a higher priority over quality of their products. It's probably due for an overhaul as to how the engineers handle the bugs.

There were plenty of mistakes in the Jobs area, what was different then is that Apple was a lot smaller, less media coverage, less people reading stories on sites like this one, less people which had Mac computers or iPhones, heck lots of people 1 decade ago didn't know what a GB was, nowadays most people know, much more coverage, and than there's more complicated software/OS's with a lot more features.
Don't think it's so easily comparable.
 
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