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Is that the only alternative?

How about "being upfront about the fact that they have people listening"? Couldn't that have been an option? (or would it conflict with their marketing of the claim that privacy is of the utmost importance?)
They suspended the grading process and publicly acknowledged it. They can’t go back in time and warn users about it.
 
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Kinda makes you wonder abut traditional voice recognition products like ViaVoice and Dragon Dictate. They have to train their neural networks in speech recognition somehow.
 
It's funny because the new iPhone 11 release is imminent and they have to neutralize this as quick as possible.
 
Apple should have apologize and pulled Siri completely and took this year to buy/develop a AI that is designed for the future and can at least do what the others can do.. I believe it’s possible For Siri to do what google assistant can do without the extra data..and PLEASE get rid of the “hey” every time I have to envoke Siri
I dunno, deep learning requires massive amount of data to train the networks. Especially as we are finally getting more privacy conscious data sets of that size are getting harder and harder to come by. Using Google's services gives them a near carte blanc to snoop into everything about you. They have data sets no one else can or has (or I think should) develop. Is it better for Apple to try to collect/improve their data sets using the most ethical methodologies they can (with media holding their feet to the fire when they misstep) or to buy the data from more nefarious (or at least, less accountable) sources? Serious question.
 
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Apple got caught, its that's simple, and they know it. With Apple going on and on about privacy one expected honesty of what exactly was being recorded and by whom, as contractors in multiple countries, non-Apple employees, had access to these. It's poor that Apple now plans to make these changes only after they got caught.
 
Then you need to sue Amazon, Samsung, Google, and Microsoft too.

Amazon doesn't have ads saying they respect privacy. No false advertising. Google got rid of their old motto of "do no evil".
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You’d rather they don’t apologize and change their practices at all?

I'd rather they not be hypocrites
 
No one is fired? One of the worst break of trust in recent Apple history.
Really? My guess is nobody outside of geeks who frequent tech/rumor sites has given this a second thought. But if people are that worried about it then I guess they need to turn off all voice assistants. Or at least stop complaining about them not improving.
 
What is "grading"? Are these the people that figure out if a request should go through as you wait, or is this way after the part where Siri couldn't understand what you were asking? If it is after the fact what does this "grading" do? Does it teach Siri that people having sex is not a request? I don't technically understand what this process is actually doing or improving.

Think of it like the reCaptcha boxes to prove you're not a robot. Except where Google surreptitiously uses humans to improve their neural net, Apple uses humans surreptitiously to improve their neural net.
 
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A week ago, I'm having a phone conversation with my son. We are both attempting to write a book and we were discussing the matter. Several hours after the phone call concluded, I received a text message promoting a ghost writing service. Coincidence? Methinks not. Something out there is listening in.
 
Congrats guys your unwarranted freakout made Siri worse for everyone. You only have yourselves to blame the next time you’re cursing at it because it can’t understand you.

Why doesn't apple hire people to use Siri and grade Siri that way? Or why doesn't apple pay for audio from movie or TV studios and use the close captioning text to double check Siri's speach recognition? Because all that costs money and it is cheaper to spy on users.

Apple is infamous for huge profits at any cost. Google's main business maybe data mining/collection but apples main MO is to make as much money off of you, no matter the cost. It is cheaper to ignore your privacy.
 
Bravo Apple. Great to see.

The way it should have been originally, but Apple has shown an ability to consistently re-evaluate it's prior choices and make better ones when the situation is needing it. Now, lets talk about laptop keyboards...
 
These measures should have been in place from the start but at least they are being implemented and they have apologised.

Funny how many were defending Apple for this on the other thread. Sadly some people hold Apple to no kind of ideals at all.
 
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“Privacy means people know what they’re signing up for, in plain English and repeatedly. I believe people are smart and some people want to share more data than other people do. Ask them. Ask them every time. Make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of your asking them. Let them know precisely what you’re going to do with their data.”

― Steve Jobs​
 
Freaky Siri.

Im getting more and more reluctant to use Siri boosted products.

A couple of days ago I was watching Netflix. I was alone and quiet. All of a sudden, my HomePod reacts and Siri says. "It sounds like you need to talk to someone, would you like me to call the suicide line"..... WTF. I was quiet and this came from nowhere. The first question is Why? The second question, Who listens to this, Is this saved, reported or sold to someone. That is some very personal and scary information about me that isn't even true.

Explanation please Apple. I don't like this.
 
Amazon doesn't have ads saying they respect privacy. No false advertising. Google got rid of their old motto of "do no evil".
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I'd rather they not be hypocrites
They’re not hypocritical, but it’s good they are tightening this up.

To your first point, it’s okay that google, amazon and Facebook do whatever with your voice recordings because they are not privacy focused. Got it.
 
Privacy means people know what they’re signing up for, in plain English and repeatedly. I believe people are smart and some people want to share more data than other people do. Ask them. Ask them every time. Make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of your asking them. Let them know precisely what you’re going to do with their data.”

― Steve Jobs​

Yep. Exactly my point on the other thread.
 
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