Developers are being harmed.Except that with many apps in the App Store being free and devs setting the price of purchase for functionality within their apps, how are consumers harmed?
Developers are being harmed.Except that with many apps in the App Store being free and devs setting the price of purchase for functionality within their apps, how are consumers harmed?
After the free trial, yes.So does this email address disappear after 14 days if you don’t subscribe?
This exactly, and in actual fact, the description fits me, not the prominent or popular part, the massive firehose of email. It absolutely does make triage quicker and visually better but it's not something I am 'OMG, life-changing'.
Nice to have? Yes, but not really $99 of nice and without it allowing me to use a custom domain, useless.
Except that apps such as Uber, and I'll mention the LIRR and New Jersey Transit app fall into this category as well, the payment is for a future service and does not unlock any functionality within the app. Not to mention, these apps allow a sign-up option within the app. My guess is there is a class of apps with these similar exemptions....
How Apple picks which developers they do this to is sort of arbitrary as far as I can tell, but they basically do it to whoever can't fight back. Uber can use an outside payment processor, but Hey can't. There is no logic that makes sense here, it's just Uber is big and Hey isn't.
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I honestly think that is one of the dumbest choices they made.
Considering the only other two main areas are “the feed“ which is very limited in how you can use it and the paper trail which is simply a catchy name for a folder/tag…
The “Imbox” is by no means focused, particularly with no way to clear the running river of “previous” emails below the fold.
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You bet.
I really just want to try to have more conversations about what is actually the offering here and get over this App Store stuff.
Everybody is raving about the simplicity and the on boarding process.
Well - guess how many times I do an on boarding process?
Once
And so much of what else they are doing can easily be accomplished for with smart/dumb folders and disabling remote images by default (enable for contacts) kills most spy pixel tracking issues.
My prediction is that in a couple weeks time when many more users finally get a chance to get in the system, we’re going to see a lot more stories about how bare-bones limited this is and very difficult for power users who are accustomed to having all sorts of different interesting set ups for their email operations.
Yes, they allowed that in exchange for the promise that the next update coming soon will add the free account. Apple does that all the time - they tell you "this is a problem. we'll let it slide but you must fix for next revision." Happened to me twice.You get the 14 day trial online only. Its still invite only right now
I agree it seems like a stupid hill for Apple to die on if that was the workaround.
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Download the app. There is no functionality. You're presented with a sign in screen.
Easy to say, harder to prove, imo. I never felt like I was being harmed...as a matter of fact the information provided to me about the app I had on the app store was very useful.Developers are being harmed.
Just to be clear they aren’t really doing any of this for you until you initially set it up for every single user or sender.
The onboarding and getting things working correctly takes lots and lots and lots of work.
In fact, several days into it, I don’t see how this is less work than just setting up smart folders and rules for senders over time using all the normal tools of other email systems.
It's hard to believe anyone actually pays for email anymore.
Easy to say, harder to prove, imo. I never felt like I was being harmed...as a matter of fact the information provided to me about the app I had on the app store was very useful.
Yep, that's the system for IOS. As a dev you have to decide if the IOS app store and walled garden is right for you.Sure, but deciding whether it's useful enough to justify a 30 percent cut should be your call, not Apple's. If you want to sell mac software, you can sell it on any old place. (I haven't used the Apple store to buy software in quite some time. Granted, many of my purchases are games, and there are at least three well established game markets-- gog, steam, and epic)
But if you want to sell ios software, there is no other option but to sell on the appstore.
As a dev you have to decide if the IOS app store and walled garden is right for you.
There are always barriers of entry in all walks of life, for all types of situations. This is just one on a laundry list of items that have to be considered. So it's automatically not a negative.Sounds like a barrier to entry.
Maybe this will weed out the developers who want to foist a less than ideal experience for their potential customers.Apple thinks this ends their anti-dev Crap Store policies.
It doesn't.
And the App Store has been a huge failure, I guess?
I actually am a developer. In fact, i was one of the first 400 developers admitted to the program when they first started it. And it's made me a lot of money.I take it you're not a developer, or someone who's read any news in the past year.
It’s gonna take more than whining about App Store policies to get me to pay $99 a year for email.This has been a brilliant marketing campaign. Well done to chaps at Basecamp.
It’s gonna take more than whining about App Store policies to get me to pay $99 a year for email.
No idea what you’re referring to as “chin music”. Schiller clearly told Hey they would be approved if they added a time-limited trial as others have done.So, on June 18th when Phil Shiller said that Apple would not change it’s decision on “Hey” - was that just “chin music”?
Hey caved like cheap suit and agreed to put sign in functionality into the app. Caving is less costly than a lawsuit that can be hit or miss.iOS 14: Set Default Email And Browser Apps
They approved Hey today because the overwhelming snark would have consumed the message.
(And they'd be dealing with another lawsuit).
Fastmail seems a lot more reasonable with plans at $30, $50 and $90.Fastmail is probably worth it. Not sure about Hey.
That's not in the paragraph that you mentioned (3.1.3a). Where do the guidelines say that apps offering "functionality that doesn't require payment" can offer subscriptions without offering in-app billing, even if they are not "Reader apps"?Because then it has functionality that doesn’t require payment.