one wonders why the "Anti-epic games" people are so upset about this? If you aren't going to use it, why do you care? Nobody is going to force you to install it. 
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Apple Approves Epic Games Store for iPhone and iPad in EU
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Relax.. Cook does not make ALL of the decisions for Apple.People acting like they need to use this or are being forced to. If you don't like the big bad Epic and want Apple to hold your hand and keep you safe then you can stay in your little safe bubble and listen to what Tim tells you.
I think this is cool. Shame I'm not in the EU
The EU is making decisions for companies in the EU. It does not care about user choice or experience. Personally I like the App Store experience. It’s easy and a very safe bubble. I like keeping my transactions safe and talking about it in a namby pamby way does nothing for your argument.
Pretty sure no one really cares about Epic. But that doesn’t mean they can’t disagree with the EU taking bribes from lobbyist to bend over for Epic and Spotify. Are you suggesting people shouldn’t care about such things?
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lol what is this childish nonsense? It’s not the 90s anymore where people stigmatise video games. Literally movie stars and football players who make 10s of millions of dollars per year and live considerably more comfortable lives than you play video games such as Fortnite. Get on with the times.
We aren’t. And the DMA isn’t about consumer protection at all, the opposite actually. This serves other billion dollar corporations, not the user. Trading loose change between them. This also serves as a potential backdoor as the EU continues to step up their implementation of mass surveillance on all citizens of member countries.
I suggest you substantiate such conspiracy theories.
Apple’s definition of Europe includes a lot more than than the EU, including the UK, Switzerland, Norway, etc., as well as the entire Middle East. Apple has said on investor calls that the EU represents about 7% of App Store revenue, so it’s probably around 7-8% of their iPhone revenue too.
I still don’t think they’re going to pull out of the EU, but their EU revenue isn’t as high as that chart makes it look.
It doesn't. That logic doesn't make any sense.
Mandating sideloading be allowed, if anything, enables consumers to access non-backdoored, secure messenger applications.
Having a single gatekeeper that controls the distribution of all apps makes it easier than anything to impose the kind of chat control the EU (a different "branch" of the EU, if you will) proposed. As recently evidenced in Russia.
Yeah no problem link here, and plenty more available. And this is in addition to Qatargate (which included none other than European Parliament Vice President Eva Kaili). It’s far more than conspiracy. But whatever.
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No denying that there's some corruption from me.
But no substantiation that the DMA was legislated through "taking bribes from lobbyist to bend over for Epic and Spotify." from you.
Let's not forget that Apple is one of the richest companies in the world. Richer than Epic and Spotify combined.
I posit: "The DMA that was successfully legislated is so narrow and lenient on Apple, only because of the massive bribes from them. Legislators would have not have bent over so much for Apple, basically the richest company in the world, were it not for all those bribes".
👉 You aren't going to prove me wrong, are you?
And if your choice takes away others’ choice?
I mean I know this site is called MacRumors, but Android exists and does everything the EU is asking for.
I mean I know this site is called MacRumors, but Android exists and does everything the EU is asking for.
I’m not against people playing games, I’m against people being enslaved to it because I believe moderation is key. Why is that childish? People can do what they want, and so can I. Kids these days…
Backdoors into the OS itself negate all need to backdoor a chat app. Backdoors into the chat apps to allow other chat apps is a hole in security too. The DMA is a security nightmare, and everyone is now worse off because of it… except Tim Sweeney, who is now richer.
Don’t forget, “If I don’t like it, no one can have it.”, and the near-adjacent, “Everything I don’t like is woke.”
Apple, imagine if you had just asked reasonable prices from Epic and all the others, none of this would have happened.
Funny, eh?
Funny, eh?
A nitpick (but IMPORTANT) distinction: Your chart says “Europe”. Not “EU”. There IS a difference…as not every European country is in the EU. Case in point, by labeling it as “Europe”…the UK is also included in those numbers.
Therefore, that 100 billion is inaccurate, since that’s not the revenue from JUST the EU.
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A couple of things.
1) Apple having more cash reserves or a higher stock value than someone else, should not make them a target and is a pretty poor reason. Anti competitive at its heart.
2) Whilst I never said the DMA was directly caused by corruption (I challenge you to show where I did), there is clearly a nexus between the 2. There has been no transparency of the discussions between Spotify/Epic & others with the European Commission. The European Commission believe they need to 'keep the big internet companies in check'. But the fallout of the investigations have deliberately and specifically demanded more transparency with EU representatives. Please find a link where this transparency has occurred. Or are you suggesting Epic/Spotify didn’t lobby the EU?
In evidence, Apple also stated that Spotify have met with The European Commission 65 times and attempted to build 3 separate claims against Apple whilst never showing any consumer harm caused. All whilst Spotify have been the largest streaming company in the world!
3) Your comment about being lenient on Apple is pretty funny considering they have just been threatened with more fines and told they are not complying, despite Apple completely changing their offerings to suit the DMA.
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Nobody forced anyone to buy an iPhone and use iOS. Nobody forced Epic to release Fortnite on mobile.one wonders why the "Anti-epic games" people are so upset about this? If you aren't going to use it, why do you care? Nobody is going to force you to install it.
The only “reasonable” percentage that Epic would have accepted is zero.
Sorry but this is nonsense. Apple could have charged reasonable prices for APNS, hosting and payment processing.
But charging 30% or even 15% is highway robbery and collects almost the complete profit. It is really hard to gain a 30% profit margin.
But like Steve Jobs told us many years ago: What killed Apple was greed …
Can you give some examples of this happening on macOS?
The $1.8 billion fine per music streaming wasn't based on law. And wasn't based on any evidence either.
That’s your definition. Apple (who are actually conversant with this matter) say you are wrong. You do know that the 15% they are charging (by your own definition) isn’t mostly profit right?
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The issue with that line of reasoning is that what’s reasonable today won’t be reasonable tomorrow, just as 30% was considered fair and a good deal more than a decade ago. So lowering that App Store commission would have been nothing more than a stay of execution for Apple at best.
Epic’s end goal was always to get their own App Store onto iOS where they could keep 100% of IAP revenue, but also host other developers’ apps and charge them a cut.
In this context, why would they be content with settling for anything less? Even if Apple charged only 5%, it would still have been too much for epic, who is determined to not pay a single cent more than they have to.
This is nothing short of a war for control over iOS. Like I said, developers sure don’t seem to have any problems paying 30% to Nintendo, Sony or Valve. If they can be profitable on those platforms, they can equally be profitable on iOS, considering that software typically has zero marginal cost.