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Complaining about the coupon not being more. It is childish behavior, in my opinion. Mature adults should not act like that, especially when Apple never said there would be a coupon to begin with.
Mature adults know when they're not getting a good deal. Though they should've complained before, back when Apple told them, "you pay $500 to lease this, no guarantees of a refund later, if you want to test your apps on M1 Macs before your users do."
 
They didnt promise anything but I think they could have given a base M1 Mac Mini in exchange for the returned DTK.

Some developers will now prefer to keep the DTK as its value as a collectors/oddity item is higher or way higher than the $200 they would be getting back.

Its true that most developers, and certainly those that opted-in to the DTK surely are not $200 short from starvation, but Apple is not exactly in the brink of filing Chapter 11 and they swear by their developers every WWDC.
Well there is no options per the agreement you’re required to return it. Can’t keep it not legally as least
 
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Ashamed of what? Both the developers and Apple need each other if the Macintosh as we know it today is to survive. Obviously developers need Apple a bit more, but macOS is NOTHING with out it’s developer community.

Steve even gave developers that attended WWCD 2003 a free iSight camera ($149 value)

It’s called showing appreciation. It’s also good business relations. Check it out sometime. 😊
A free $200 coupon isn't appreciation? I think it is.

it seems you want to bring up things that have nothing to do with the facts here to try and bolster your argument.

1) The developers opted in to the program of their own volition
2) Any developer is free to keep the DTK the full year
3) Returning it early will give the developer the coupon
4) Apple didn't have to offer anything as a gesture

Those are the facts.

Complaining about a free gift is wrong, in my opinion.
 
I think they should have just returned the $500. No one could have complained. The DTK unfortunately was really really buggy. It was fast but near unusable for anything except a quick build and test. Even then, I couldn’t even get it to drive my display properly, Xcode would crash constantly etc etc
 
Ashamed of what? Those complaints are a good thing to Apple, means the devs still care. I stopped developing for Apple's ecosystem long ago because it was more of a PitA than it was worth. No complaints from me anymore.

Being ashamed of asking for free stuff.


Of course devs want free stuff. Doesn't make it right in complaining about it.
 
Mature adults know when they're not getting a good deal. Though they should've complained before, back when Apple told them, "you pay $500 to lease this, no guarantees of a refund later, if you want to test your apps on M1 Macs before your users do."
That's why they're not mature adults because they thought the would get free stuff in return for the $500 lease.
 
FWIW you don’t have to return it. The DTK has a fair value less than $10k, and there’s no way Apple is going to enter small claims against anyone (no lawyers allowed in small claims). They could disable the machine or your account I guess...
 
FWIW you don’t have to return it. The DTK has a fair value less than $10k, and there’s no way Apple is going to enter small claims against anyone (no lawyers allowed in small claims). They could disable the machine or your account I guess...
This sounds like a terrible idea. would hate a business partner of mine to think that way.
 
The developer kit is CODB. Developers shouldn't expect to get anything out of it except what they agreed to. Sorry. The pre/grade school adage applies here: You get what you get and you don't throw a fit.

Or, I guess some do.
 
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Reach out to the whiny developer of your choice on twitter and send them a PayPal gift payment. You could also set up a whiney developer go fund me page and distribute the money to those that can show proof they were in the program etc.
Here, the whiny guy the first post was mentioning has a Patreon.

I gave him $20 by subscribing, paying, then cancelling. The closest thing to proof they can give me is a screenshot. I'd use btc if he accepted it and the fees weren't so insane, since I can sign with the key and paste the sig here, but oh well.
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They didnt promise anything but I think they could have given a base M1 Mac Mini in exchange for the returned DTK.

Some developers will now prefer to keep the DTK as its value as a collectors/oddity item is higher or way higher than the $200 they would be getting back.

Its true that most developers, and certainly those that opted-in to the DTK surely are not $200 short from starvation, but Apple is not exactly in the brink of filing Chapter 11 and they swear by their developers every WWDC.

On a different note, I think this might be confirmation of new AS Macs in June, surely at this year’s WWDC.
You don’t own it. It’s a one-year lease for 499. You can’t keep it unless you pay 499 every year, even that is pending Apple’s approval.
 
shouldn't they at least get a partial refund for the period of time remaining on the 12 month agreement?

IF you pay $500, and the lease is only 8 months instead of twelve, they should get a third of that back on original payment method (imo)

apparently they stopped working in October. 4 months in ?
 
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