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Said the person who doesn't own an iPhone (according to your signature).

Obviously, the iPhone isn't perfect... but neither is any other phone, is it?

No I don't own an iPhone, because I already get the whole iOS experience with my iPad. I got the MAXX because the battery lasts and lasts. I also figured I might as well have something a little different because everyone has an iPhone these days. It's about the most "me too" device you can carry. I'm not saying it isn't a good phone because it is, but sometimes I just like to buy things that don't follow what everyone else does.
 
Apple please stop telling me what I need and give me what I want !

The answer is simple. Put a phone in the store that customers want.

I have been asking for a phone that has a bigger screen for 3 years.

Apple says I don't need one.

I want a Touch screen laptop.

Apple says I don't need one.

Apple please stop telling me what I need and give me what I want !
 
Maybe I'm completely wrong, but doesn't this seem like bad news? This makes it sound like they are totally out of ideas at the top...

It makes it sound like they are worried.*

* This is NOT the same thing as saying they are doomed.

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Try telling that to Samsung...
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MOAR FEATURES!! USEFUL OR NOT, ADD THEM NOW! :p

Yes! We need an iphone with less features, features are overrated.
 
No, but it definitely wasn't Jobs idea or plan from the moment the iPhone went into development, or even when it was publicly announced.

It definitely means nothing. Anymore than Steve's comments about video on an iPod or any of his other comments about what wasn't happening that then did.

The man was known for making comments based on the state of things at the time he made the comment, nothing more or less. The comments from the bio were about when the original iPhone came out and apply to that phone at that time. A time in which he didn't want third party apps, quite likely because they hadn't worked out their system for their development, which they could have been working on for months before the iPhone was revealed.

The only folks that can say which version is true are the folks that were at Apple during that time.

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The answer is simple. Put a phone in the store that customers want.

They have. It's just not what YOU want
 
For those of you who think this is sad, you are sad. Why wouldn't Apple leverage the 1000's of retail employees they have, who actually connect with the consumers? Think about what will create a better product (using numbers I've been able to find):

The problem I see is trying to create an iphone off of a million ideas. I bet ONE store hears tons of stuff. On forums people will disuss and (sometimes) agree on stuff, individuals walking in a store will have all kinds of ideas.

I've worked in retail sales before and I think it would be hard to get down to even a few complaints unless it was very common and likely the company would have already heard of it if it was.

Reading apple forums would narrow things down.
 
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Tim is desperate about how to sell more, now that his salary is based on performance

i'm so glad i left Apple

it was already a pain in the a$$ when managers were harassing employees for attachment rates (AppleCare, O2O, Joint Venture...) when selling machines

then came the period when we told not to sell iphone only but also phone contracts :rolleyes:

we moved from a period when we cared about the customer to a new era caring more about selling more no matter what the needs are
 
Maybe I'm completely wrong, but doesn't this seem like bad news? This makes it sound like they are totally out of ideas at the top...

A company should encourage good ideas from ANY and ALL of its employees. This is especially true in retail where the "soldiers at the front" know the score a LOT better than a bunch of generals back in DC". Apple is just catching up to what most large companies already do....take advantage of the collective brain power!!!
 
No.

What's wrong with asking the people that sell your product on a daily basis, how they can better improve this product and the selling process?

The smartest man is a man who knows when to ask for help.

But from a different perspective this IS wrong. A retail employee doesn't make a lot of money and won't get a bonus for his ideas anyway. This is how you get screwed in every way. You give away your very own (greatest) ideas so that "your" company can make million or even billions more. Your "reward" is to work with the "big guys"! That's all you get! WOW! :eek: And it won't cost :apple: a cent.

Sometimes you just gotta love capitalism.
 
You were then and still are in the minority here.

They constituted an almost 0 % of Apple's notebook sales.

Unfortunately, I know - this q has been discussed here at MR for ages.

This is BTW very unfortunate - current rMBP models are just toys (no second drive bay, no 17" screen etc. - and I don't even speak of extensibility) compared to an imaginary 17" rMBP with 4k screen. Apple should also cater for true pros that got used to and require the features of the top-of-the-line 17" MBP's.

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I complain about the weight of my 13 inch mbp, I would die with a 17 inch

The 17" was the best truly mobile desktop replacement not requiring for example an external drive for storing hundreds of Gigabytes of media data (unlike all current rMBP models) or an external monitor. Just typing this on my 17" MBP in my summer cottage without electricity, apart from solar energy - it'd be pretty hard to power an external monitor here in North-Finland :)
 
Maybe I'm completely wrong, but doesn't this seem like bad news? This makes it sound like they are totally out of ideas at the top...

More companies need to do this, the sales staff see first hand customer reaction to products and promotions and can provide the kind of information on sales that management seldom take any notice of. This cuts though the BS of marketing executives that will say anything to sell their idea.
 
The 17" was the best truly mobile desktop replacement not requiring for example an external drive for storing hundreds of Gigabytes of media data (unlike all current rMBP models) or an external monitor. Just typing this on my 17" MBP in my summer cottage without electricity, apart from solar energy - it'd be pretty hard to power an external monitor here in North-Finland :)

Exactly. I need the big screen on the road once in a while. I can't bring a second screen with me all the time. How is that supposed to work? And it also doesn't help if you can run the rMBP in "full resolution". You need a magnifying glass then to see details. Too tiring for the eyes.

Still using my 2009 MBP 17" and I am happy that I have it. I hope it will last another couple of years, before it is not supported anymore by the next version of Mac OS X.

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More companies need to do this, the sales staff see first hand customer reaction to products and promotions and can provide the kind of information on sales that management seldom take any notice of. This cuts though the BS of marketing executives that will say anything to sell their idea.
This is not about feedback. This about giving away ideas for improving the product.

And... first rule in product development: never just give the customer what he is crying for! Customers tend to think only in features, not in workflows. User centered design means to satisfy the customer's needs and not just to implement a few more buttons he is asking for.
 
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Well, if the iPhone had features that consumers want, it would fly off the shelves.

May I please suggest that we have a larger screen in the first place. My eyes are failing me and the current iPhone screens are simply too small for me to read text comfortably.

iOS 7 looks cools and has increased functionality, I like it very much. It would be very much "wasted" on the current iPhone 5 screen.

Please give a phone with a bigger screen Apple. That would make my day.
 
A company should encourage good ideas from ANY and ALL of its employees. This is especially true in retail where the "soldiers at the front" know the score a LOT better than a bunch of generals back in DC". Apple is just catching up to what most large companies already do....take advantage of the collective brain power!!!

Exactly. And why this is a non story. It's something lots of companies do, Apple had done in the past and will probably do in the future.
 
It definitely means nothing. Anymore than Steve's comments about video on an iPod or any of his other comments about what wasn't happening that then did.

The man was known for making comments based on the state of things at the time he made the comment, nothing more or less.

Right, but what we know about the Steve's "conversion" to native apps is direct from Jobs authorized bio from after-the-fact conversations Jobs, an Apple board member (Levinson, I recall), and other Apple collegues told Isaacson.

Those conversations and Isaacson's paraphrasing of his own research plainly state Jobs DID NOT like the idea of 3rd party native apps leading up to the iPhone's introduction. It was only after it's introduction that others at Apple convinced Jobs to develop and App Store and allow 3rd party developers to product native apps.
 
But from a different perspective this IS wrong. A retail employee doesn't make a lot of money and won't get a bonus for his ideas anyway. This is how you get screwed in every way. You give away your very own (greatest) ideas so that "your" company can make million or even billions more. Your "reward" is to work with the "big guys"! That's all you get! WOW! :eek: And it won't cost :apple: a cent.

Sometimes you just gotta love capitalism.

I don't see what's wrong with asking retail employees how Apple can better drive sales at Apple stores. Supposedly 80% of iPhones are sold somewhere else. Cook wants to change that and wants feedback/ideas on how to do so. Seems to me engaging with retail employees on this would be a good idea.
 
You probably said the same thing about the iPad mini... the iPad is already the correct size it doesn't matter what people want. :rolleyes:

Not quite. I said that the screen is not big enough to properly express great tablet apps.

I have that on good authority
 
A company should encourage good ideas from ANY and ALL of its employees. This is especially true in retail where the "soldiers at the front" know the score a LOT better than a bunch of generals back in DC". Apple is just catching up to what most large companies already do....take advantage of the collective brain power!!!

Well, exactly. It is an obvious thing to do and no sane person could find anything wrong with it. Wait... there are lots of people posting here that it is evidence that Apple is doomed, running out of ideas, scared, and so on...

As I said, no sane person could find anything wrong with it. What will be the result?

1. Worst case: Employees feel more respected and appreciated because management actually asks for their opinions, and employees who feel more respected and appreciated work harder. Employees who think about how customers' purchasing experience could be improved will also care more about customers' purchasing experience and therefore, service improves even without a single idea from employees being used.

2. Better case: All I said in case 1, plus some employees will actually have ideas that are useful and can be applied generally, so things will improve even more.

3. Best case: Some employees come up with truly revolutionary ideas that nobody else thought of.

Case 2. seems most likely to me.

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More companies need to do this, the sales staff see first hand customer reaction to products and promotions and can provide the kind of information on sales that management seldom take any notice of. This cuts though the BS of marketing executives that will say anything to sell their idea.

From two different people working at two different retail companies in the UK: Sales employees also know what tricks scammers are using to scam the company. In both cases, clueless managers so full of themselves that they don't even consider that someone else could know more than they do, so the scamming goes on, and sales employees stop caring.
 
No.

What's wrong with asking the people that sell your product on a daily basis, how they can better improve this product and the selling process?

The smartest man is a man who knows when to ask for help.

No kidding. The people who are actually interacting with your customers and potential customers can provide some useful insight. A company does well when it solicits feedback from all. It doesn't mean the company has to use the ideas, but theres no harm in fishing.
 
After 6 years of the iPhone they are now asking for the customers opinion? Why not do this before Android came along.
 
No.

What's wrong with asking the people that sell your product on a daily basis, how they can better improve this product and the selling process?

The smartest man is a man who knows when to ask for help.

You have to admit, if this news was about Samsung or any other non-Apple company doing this, a lot of people here would be fast to proclaim how it "reeks of desperation" and similar snarks.
 
Dear apple,

After using android and getting used to having 3 dedicated buttons for options,home and back I can not for the life of me get used to having just one button on iOS devices.

Please add 3 buttons and a notification led to the next iPhone and make the screen 4.5-4.8 in with a very small bezzel

Its not rocket science and you don't need to run a huge ask your employee campaign to see how far behind you got in just simple things like having dedicated buttons.
 
No I don't own an iPhone, because I already get the whole iOS experience with my iPad. I got the MAXX because the battery lasts and lasts. I also figured I might as well have something a little different because everyone has an iPhone these days. It's about the most "me too" device you can carry. I'm not saying it isn't a good phone because it is, but sometimes I just like to buy things that don't follow what everyone else does.

I hear you. But I don't get defined by the things I own, at least I try not to. Labels are irrelevant. Relevance is relevant.

I know you agree, that's what you were saying... so if your MAXX is working, perfect! But don't think that just because someone carries an iPhone, they're doing it b/c it's the "in" thing. Obviously some people are in that category, but I'm sure many aren't.

Have a good day!
 
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