Apple Attempts to Suppress Steve Jobs Profile Article

[Eidorian]

I wondered why it ran a lot better than flash videos usually do (are Adobe purposely making the OS X version of flash horrifically slow for a reason? Or is it just ineptitude..). I guess you don't see much content what with your aversion to installing plugins.

What boggles my mind is that Silverlight gets much better performance under OS X than Flash. I can't fullscreen a Flash video under OS X. I have to boot into Windows to do that.

There’s a member here that runs the IT department of a subsidiary of a large multinational storage company. The core business is done on two (mirrored) IBM iSeries 520 midframes with an OS that turns the server OSX flavour into a joke. The domain part is handled by three ESX servers running VMware 3.5x with storage on 2 (mirrored) NetApp devices. Both server and storage Vmotion are possible. The Windows 2003 domain server runs on real iron but its back-up is a vmachine.

The connected workstations are plain Windows XP machines with a fixed application set of which the 5150 emulation is one of the most important, or ThinClients with a locked-down XP embedded variation. An EPO server caters for the client protection and a WUS server does the rest.

BSODs? Never heard of them. Viruses or malware? What are these? Downtime? 8 hours per year housekeeping for the iSeries, zero for the ESX- and 4 the iron server but the end users are unaware of this.

Now please explain how Apple hardware (expensive) and software (for a great part non-existing for our needs) would replace this? BTW, that member is me.

Ah the joys of terminal services. That brings back my experience with the SunRays.

 

[LagunaSol]

Now please explain how Apple hardware (expensive) and software (for a great part non-existing for our needs) would replace this?

I don't believe I said that Apple hardware or software is the best choice for enterprise users. In fact, I know I didn't say that.

What I did say is most Windows users who choose Windows (which would imply consumers, not enterprise, as we poor cube dwellers take whatever IT shoves down our throats with no say in the matter) do so with complete ignorance of the other options that are available to them.

Whether they end up with what is best for their needs (even Windows, possibly) is complete happenstance.

 

[Speedy2]

Not really, considering that any decent IT goon can build a secure Windows environment just as easily as he can build a secure Unix or Mac OS environment.

No you can't (unfortunately). There are still plenty of apps out there that require admin rights. That alone destroys any security you might get.

Furthermore, if your statement really were true, how come you always need an extremely up-to-date virus scanner on a Windows system and are usually totally fine without one on any Unix or Mac OS computer? I know, the market share. But still, weren't Mac users supposed to be the wealthy, easy-loving, stupid ones, and the Windows users the bargain hunting, tech-savvy ones who always know where to click? Why isn't anyone targetting all those rich, stupid Mac users with their Trojans?

 

[xbjllb]

man, what happened to the apple company i knew?

It never existed. Only the lie.

Myths die hard. Ask Michael Jackson.

 

[xbjllb]

If Jobs was such a wonderful guy, Apple would welcome the exposure.

Just goes to show yet another corporate junkie of his own making... who always believe nice guys finish last.

And make it so.

 

[AidenShaw]

No you can't (unfortunately). There are still plenty of apps out there that require admin rights. That alone destroys any security you might get.

Please, do you have any idea what UAC (User Account Control) in Vista and Windows 7 is all about?

Do you understand what the virtualized filesystems and registry in Vista and Win7 do?

It's quite naïve to say that one's security is "destroyed" by applications in today's Windows. Do some reading, what you learned about Win95 is no longer relevant.

 

[ChrisBrightwell]

No you can't (unfortunately). There are still plenty of apps out there that require admin rights. That alone destroys any security you might get.

Like what? Even in a software development environment, I only need admin rights to install software, manage environment variables, or manage some other system-level parameter.

Furthermore, if your statement really were true, how come you always need an extremely up-to-date virus scanner on a Windows system and are usually totally fine without one on any Unix or Mac OS computer?

Running an antivirus package on a Windows system is simply fundamental security practice. That's just the way it is. Once OS X finds itself under fire from viruses, antivirus practices will be common there. We're already seeing a growing number of trojan attacks on OS X, so it's just a matter of time.

I know, the market share. But still, weren't Mac users supposed to be the wealthy, easy-loving, stupid ones, and the Windows users the bargain hunting, tech-savvy ones who always know where to click? Why isn't anyone targetting all those rich, stupid Mac users with their Trojans?

You're one the verge of attacking a straw man.

 

[LagunaSol]

Please, do you have any idea what UAC (User Account Control) in Vista and Windows 7 is all about?

No, but as MacRumors' official Microsoft evangelist, I'm sure you're going to tell us all about it.

Please proceed. It's bedtime and I need something to make me bored and drowsy.

 

[AidenShaw]

No, but as MacRumors' official Microsoft evangelist, I'm sure you're going to tell us all about it.

Please proceed. It's bedtime and I need something to make me bored and drowsy.

I was asking the question of Speedy2 - if he asks, I'll explain.

Why are you butting in? Have a sudden urge to make an ad hominem attack before going to sleep?

 

[LagunaSol]

I was asking the question of Speedy2 - if he asks, I'll explain.

Why are you butting in? Have a sudden urge to make an ad hominem attack before going to sleep?

1. Speedy2 didn't ask - you felt compelled to answer an unasked question (in a condescending way).
2. Is this a forum or a two-party instant messaging app?

You seem to have a harder time taking derision than dishing it out.

 

[DMann]

Please, do you have any idea what UAC (User Account Control) in Vista and Windows 7 is all about?

Do you understand what the virtualized filesystems and registry in Vista and Win7 do?

It's quite naïve to say that one's security is "destroyed" by applications in today's Windows. Do some reading, what you learned about Win95 is no longer relevant.

How typical - another trademark patronizing post. Perhaps you are unaware that out of Window's circa 89% market share, 65% use XP, with 22% using Vista, and the remainder using 2000, 98, 95. UAC, the embroiled panacea that it is, does not apply to XP, nor do virtualized filesystems and registry. Your naive assumptions are erroneous, as usual, as they do not apply to the majority of Windows users.

I was asking the question of Speedy2 - if he asks, I'll explain.

Why are you butting in? Have a sudden urge to make an ad hominem attack before going to sleep?

If one were to tally the percentage of replies to posts which didn't involve you, those which you so disparagingly "butt into," this would be the vast majority - yet here you are, whining and complaining about it. Your hypocritical behavior is astounding, yet not surprising.

 

[*LTD*]

There’s a member here that runs the IT department of a subsidiary of a large multinational storage company. The core business is done on two (mirrored) IBM iSeries 520 midframes with an OS that turns the server OSX flavour into a joke. The domain part is handled by three ESX servers running VMware 3.5x with storage on 2 (mirrored) NetApp devices. Both server and storage Vmotion are possible. The Windows 2003 domain server runs on real iron but its back-up is a vmachine.

The connected workstations are plain Windows XP machines with a fixed application set of which the 5150 emulation is one of the most important, or ThinClients with a locked-down XP embedded variation. An EPO server caters for the client protection and a WUS server does the rest.

BSODs? Never heard of them. Viruses or malware? What are these? Downtime? 8 hours per year housekeeping for the iSeries, zero for the ESX- and 4 the iron server but the end users are unaware of this.

Now please explain how Apple hardware (expensive) and software (for a great part non-existing for our needs) would replace this? BTW, that member is me.

I don' think anyone here would deny that Apple has historically had very spotty interest in the corporate sphere.

Apple specializes in the home/consumer market, and although they have server options and enterprise-related solutions, they aren't meant at this point to be deployed on a large scale. At this point Apple doesn't actually compete in the Enterprise to any siginificant degree and there's really no profit in making such comparisons.

Apple isn't a player in the Enterprise, and by all accounts they don't intend to be one for the time being. Which is perfectly fine with me.

 

[niuniu]

A lot of fluff, especially all that epiphenomenon nonsense

The question at the end should have been made at the start of the article and they could have looked at realistic replacement figures and how Apple's direction might change if at all under them judging by their past innovations or known stances on technology and culture.

But nevermind that, we'd rather be fed crap on Steve's alleged personality obviously.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Please enumerate these courts "all over the globe". Have fun.

Wimbledon ? Roland Garros ? Flushing Meadows ? What an appropriate name for a venue.

 

[*LTD*]

Wimbledon ? Roland Garros ? Flushing Meadows ? What an appropriate name for a venue.

Hehe . . .

 

[scroto]

Why does every thread have to turn into a Apple VS MS pissing contest?

 

[GoodWatch]

Why does every thread have to turn into a Apple VS MS pissing contest?

Well..... this IS an Apple forum and many here wish Bill Gates was never born and think his company is just a portal of hell. Oh, and they also think Steve J is the second coming and Apple is His church! Does this answer your question?

 

[freebooter]

It's been said there's no such thing as bad publicity.

To me, Job's attempt to "suppress" information is slightly ironic (though hardly surprising) considering he is in the information technology business, the personal computer and internet being the biggest innovations in the field since the printing press.

 

[ChrisBrightwell]

Well..... this IS an Apple forum and many here wish Bill Gates was never born and think his company is just a portal of hell. Oh, and they also think Steve J is the second coming and Apple is His church! Does this answer your question?

*facepalm*

These are probably the same kids who don't realize that Billy G. is partially responsible for Apple existing at all these days.

 

[z4n3]

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[z4n3]

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[xIGmanIx]

I don' think anyone here would deny that Apple has historically had very spotty interest in the corporate sphere.

Apple specializes in the home/consumer market, and although they have server options and enterprise-related solutions, they aren't meant at this point to be deployed on a large scale. At this point Apple doesn't actually compete in the Enterprise to any siginificant degree and there's really no profit in making such comparisons.

Apple isn't a player in the Enterprise, and by all accounts they don't intend to be one for the time being. Which is perfectly fine with me.

so explain again the point of having servers if you don't intend to deploy them in the enterprise? Why doesn't apple use their alleged superior hardware and software skills to redefine the space? my thoughts are, if apple had a product that was better, they would introduce it. Enough of this talk about bashing MS office sweet, because either apple is part of the problem or part of the solution. Their office suit offering is a gimic at best and is best for the consumer and not to be leveraged in MY opinion for any real business use. How much longer should you wait to hear from Apple to realize they can't provide a better product, which if it was, i would use it.

 

[WeegieMac]

The whole Steve Jobs and Apple thing is a strange one because as someone who used the original Macintosh in Secondary School and who only switched to the Mac for home computing use some years later in 2001, I will admit I enjoy Jobs keynotes and do find myself wrapped up in this company.

I'm not anti-Windows as such, or even anti-Microsoft, I just don't believe Microsoft to make superior products to those of Apple ... it's that simple. I enjoy using Apple products, from my first iPod to my iMac G5 to my iPhone 3G to my Aluminum iMac ... those, and the many more inbetween, have given me years of pleasurable, reliable, computer use that has enabled me to get the job done and enjoy using the computer at the same time.

I have, to date, "switched" well over 15 people between family, friends, and work colleagues. As others have said before, people who use Windows often do so without knowing there is actually a choice out there, they simply and blindly enter into the purchase of a Windows system because "everyone else has one". And, as Windows itself proves, being the market leader does not always automatically mean it's the superior product.

 

[layte]

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Purely out of interest, what is OS X Servers support like from the big application vendors such as Oracle, SAP etc..?

 

[z4n3]

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