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Considering the mountains and mountains of lost data consumers and corporations have suffered over the years due to MS' gross negligence with respect to OS security, I'm not really impressed with their version of "computing for the masses." Windows has been for the most part a lousy experience for the masses.

MS didn't save the computing industry. They plunged it into the Dark Ages. Now, with Apple going like gangbusters and with the plethora of non-MS options, we're starting to see exactly what we were victims of years ago.

That is an idiotic statement. I work for a fortune 100 company and we know data loss happens anywhere. On our Macs, *nix, or Windows boxes. If your company can't provide a DR solution than thats their fault not anyone elses. Windows and OSX are tools they are not end all be all solutions. Still think its funny how nobody here acknowledges that the business world would be dead technology wise without Exchange.
I believe he was referring to data loss due to lack of MS's OS security, which makes his statement quite valid - not to mention the ever too frequent BSODs.
 
That is an idiotic statement. I work for a fortune 100 company and we know data loss happens anywhere. On our Macs, *nix, or Windows boxes. If your company can't provide a DR solution than thats their fault not anyone elses. Windows and OSX are tools they are not end all be all solutions. Still think its funny how nobody here acknowledges that the business world would be dead technology wise without Exchange.

This statement is just as idiotic. How many people without any clue are there here?? Have you ever heard of Lotus Notes?
 
Still think its funny how nobody here acknowledges that the business world would be dead technology wise without Exchange.

Yes, you're right of course - there would be no such thing as office email or collaborative calendaring in the business world right now if it weren't for the brainiacs at Microsoft. :rolleyes:
 

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Someone said that as a joke, right?
Although he claimed it was tongue in cheek, (in an attempt to cover his a**) he continues to try to make a case for it, gets called on it, and continues to defend his drivel filled delusions, only to cause further diversion from the original topic - this is typical.
 
Although he claimed it was tongue in cheek, (in an attempt to cover his a**) he continues to try to make a case for it, gets called on it, and continues to defend his drivel filled delusions, only to cause further diversion from the original topic - this is typical.


So Bill Gates really *is* known for more than just inventing the worst browser known to mankind, used to surf his other invention, the internet.

LOL.
 
Yes, you're right of course - there would be no such thing as office email or collaborative calendaring in the business world right now if it weren't for the brainiacs at Microsoft. :rolleyes:

Should MS not exist, these features could be duplicated, and much more effectively and securely by nearly anyone else. Collaborative calendaring and office email aren't exactly revolutionary concepts, LOL.
 
Should MS not exist, these features could be duplicated, and much more effectively and securely by nearly anyone else. Collaborative calendaring and office email aren't exactly revolutionary concepts, LOL.
It's nice to say all of this, really it is, but it still ignores the reality of things.

Time for Planet of the Clams.
 
It's nice to say all of this, really it is, but it still ignores the reality of things.

Not really. It's a lot like saying "Without Levi Strauss, we would have no pants."

I remember being on a WordPerfect Office system back in the day. Email seemed to work fine back then, as I recall. And others have experienced "successful transmission of office electronic messaging" through Lotus or other vendors. No Exchange required.

Just because Microsoft crushed all competitors in this area and rose to dominance doesn't mean they should be credited with gracing humanity with the technology.
 
It's nice to say all of this, really it is, but it still ignores the reality of things.

That we're still stuck with MS products that sell on inertia and ignorance? Absolutely. For some time to come, the corporate world will have to slum it with Windows, and a good chunk of the consumer sector, too. The nice thing is, is that some of us come home to our Macs and can enjoy computing the way it's meant to be.
 
Just because Microsoft crushed all competitors in this area and rose to dominance doesn't mean they should be credited with gracing humanity with the technology.
I wouldn't go that far either but it is what happened.

That we're still stuck with MS products that sell on inertia and ignorance? Absolutely. For some time to come, the corporate world will have to slum it with Windows, and a good chunk of the consumer sector, too. The nice thing is, is that some of us come home to our Macs and can enjoy computing the way it's meant to be.
Don't fall into, "those poor Windows users don't know any better" sort of mentality.
 
Don't fall into, "those poor Windows users don't know any better" sort of mentality.

Why? Isn't it true most of the time? One could intelligently argue that one OS is no better than another to a knowledgeable user, but will you deny that most Windows users use Windows simply because they don't know any better (or any different)? That they have not examined the alternatives and chosen for themselves (even if that choice ended up being Windows)?

Do you think IE is still the reining browser because it's better than the alternatives?

And if so, really???

Of course, now we're way off topic...
 

Oops:

"In order to view the contents of this website, please download the Silverlight Plug-in."

No thank you. Fail.

Actually, that message pretty much sums up Microsoft's history of the Internet in one brief sentence. No video necessary. :p

(Hey, at least I didn't get "To view this website you must be running Internet Explorer for Windows." At least those dark days are behind us...)
 
"In order to view the contents of this website, please download the Silverlight Plug-in."

I wondered why it ran a lot better than flash videos usually do (are Adobe purposely making the OS X version of flash horrifically slow for a reason? Or is it just ineptitude..). I guess you don't see much content what with your aversion to installing plugins.
 
I believe he was referring to data loss due to lack of MS's OS security, which makes his statement quite valid

Not really, considering that any decent IT goon can build a secure Windows environment just as easily as he can build a secure Unix or Mac OS environment.

not to mention the ever too frequent BSODs.

When's the last time you actually saw a BSOD? I use Windows machines for more than 40 hours a week and I haven't seen one in YEARS. Even then, when I did, it was due to a failed RAM module ... not due to something MS did incorrectly.
 
Why? Isn't it true most of the time? One could intelligently argue that one OS is no better than another to a knowledgeable user, but will you deny that most Windows users use Windows simply because they don't know any better (or any different)? That they have not examined the alternatives and chosen for themselves (even if that choice ended up being Windows)?

Do you think IE is still the reining browser because it's better than the alternatives?

And if so, really???

Of course, now we're way off topic...


There’s a member here that runs the IT department of a subsidiary of a large multinational storage company. The core business is done on two (mirrored) IBM iSeries 520 midframes with an OS that turns the server OSX flavour into a joke. The domain part is handled by three ESX servers running VMware 3.5x with storage on 2 (mirrored) NetApp devices. Both server and storage Vmotion are possible. The Windows 2003 domain server runs on real iron but its back-up is a vmachine.

The connected workstations are plain Windows XP machines with a fixed application set of which the 5150 emulation is one of the most important, or ThinClients with a locked-down XP embedded variation. An EPO server caters for the client protection and a WUS server does the rest.

BSODs? Never heard of them. Viruses or malware? What are these? Downtime? 8 hours per year housekeeping for the iSeries, zero for the ESX- and 4 the iron server but the end users are unaware of this.

Now please explain how Apple hardware (expensive) and software (for a great part non-existing for our needs) would replace this? :confused: BTW, that member is me.
 
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