Apple Attempts to Suppress Steve Jobs Profile Article

[LagunaSol]

Please enumerate these courts "all over the globe".

Have fun. There are 195 (or so) countries in the world, so per your earlier claim that most of them have sued Microsoft you have a *lot* of typing to do.

You're perfectly free to research the locations of these courts if you feel so inclined. The fact that Microsoft has been dragged into courts all over the world is not in dispute, despite your feigned need for me to spell them out for you.

P.S. I thought you had a file full of interesting Microsoft factoids for quick posting on MacRumors? Surely you have a list of Microsoft antitrust lawsuits. Or perhaps you only collect the "good" stuff?

 

[anarchos]

I think 9to5mac put it best:



Here's to waiting to hear Jobs' side of the story. His book needs to come out soon.

Thank you for sharing the link to one of the most inspirational speech I've ever have the pleasure to listen to.

 

[Eric5h5]

In spite of their faults (and there were many), Windows and Internet Explorer did bring the Internet to the masses. [snip]

It's really not possible for you to be any more wrong. I lived through all that so I know first-hand; either you're severely misinformed or you're just making it up. Gotta love revisionist history.... 100% guaranteed that if Microsoft never existed, the Internet have been "brought to the masses" regardless, and I'm quite sure we'd be farther along than we are now.

--Eric

 

[Droid13]

Ha ha! So true!

I love this place. Pure entertainment from every thread.

Particularly on a story like this, the content of which is unremarkable and unsurprising - though reading between the lines can throw up all sorts of interpretations, best not to do that too much...

There is also the fact that, frankly, I do not care who runs Apple or indeed about Apple, or any other company. All I care about is that the computer in front of me, regardless of manufacturer, does what it was bought to do...

 

[phelix_da_kat]

Microsoft and Apple aside, Jobs has almost no philanthropy to speak of.

So what. I care about the products Apple produces, not whether SJ is trying to save the whales.

Sorry to be so blunt but the truth hurts: Bill Gates has benefited humanity much more than Steve Jobs ever has and ever will.

That may very well be true . . . if you take Windows and Windows-related products out of the mix. Ditto for the Zune, Windows Mobile . . .

The difference is that Gates owned the company.... thats why he is one of the richest men in the world. He can afford to be generous. Also can I say the "minor" yet ubitquitous Windows etc has caused a whole load misery and its just a tool to transfer of misery from those paying the M$ tax so they can let Mr Gates give the money to charities he supports?

While Jobs doesnt own Apple. Hes just the CEO.

 

[Speedy2]

I think that you should step back a bit, and look at the history.

What "bringing computing to the masses" really means is "bringing the Internet to the masses".

Don't patronize me. I've lived through this history myself. I wasn't talking about Apple, but Microsoft.
So, Microsoft brought Internet to the masses? That's frankly the simplest stupidest thing I've ever heard about Microsoft (and actually, I've never heard THAT spin of the story so far, only the whole "they enabled computing for everyone" tale). Microsoft ignored the Internet for a long time and thought the future was in Compuserve/AOL-like closed networks. While the Internet became successful through the likes of Sun, Apache and Netscape, MS was still promoting MSN. Heavily. Remember which icon was featured prominently on the Windows 95 desktop? It was NOT the IE, that came much later.
Have you read Bill Gates's first book? (I think it is called The Road Ahead or sth like that) It is full of praise for his MSN business model and how it would change the world. A few years later, he had the book revised and changed the references from MSN to the Internet. He had to admit that he was completely wrong. From then on, MS was playing catch-up with Netscape, and playing hard. First time they were convicted and sentenced, because they abused their monopoly by the way.

This is the truth how MS "brought Internet to the masses". Not your made-up revisionism.

Others did it, Microsoft just leveraged its power over OEMs to overthrow Netscape, which was there (and was highly successful!) before IE. Netscape was the lingua franca. It was available for all relevant OSs, so I don't know where you got the ideas about "evil, incompatible UNIXes with different browsers" from.

On the server side, Apache is not only the _first important web server in the world, it still holds this position. MS tried to pull the same stunt here too by giving IIS away for free, but luckily they failed to take over that business too. IIS is a decent piece of software, but thank the spaghetti monster for giving us the choice to use it or not.

I don't think I need to quote any more. If you look at the work of the Gates Foundation - it is not about "giving money to the poor".

It is about education and structural improvements so that the poor can help themselves.

OMG, that changes everything! "structural improvements" vs "giving it to the poor" The whole line of arguments must be rewritten because of that! Bill Gates is a saint now. </sarcasm>

Question for you: He (and he alone) is still sitting on $40B of cash. What is he waiting for? Why isn't he giving it to his Foundation now, if he's such a selfless philanthropist? I'm sure he could do so much more good.

What's the Apple philanthropy doing with its $40G in the bank?

Get your facts straight. You look even more like Fox News now. 1st, it's 30B, not 40G. 2nd, MS had similar amounts of cash in the bank in 2002. What did they do? Give it to the poor? Help the needy? No, they chose to give it to their share holders (i.e. only a fraction of it went to Gates). 3rd, Apple's money is not Steve Jobs' money. So he can't decide what to do with it, Bill-Gates-philanthropist-style.

I wonder why you mention Apple. Did I mention them? Do you actually know IF and HOW MUCH Apple and/or Steve Jobs are giving to charity? I don't.

 

[kdarling]

In spite of their faults (and there were many), Windows and Internet Explorer did bring the Internet to the masses.

No, IE didn't become dominant over Netscape until almost 2000. Netscape would've done just fine for the masses if IE had never come along.

In the early 1990's the World Wide Web (and it actually hadn't even been named that at the time) was a nightmare of barely compatible browsers and HTTP servers.

It was called the World Wide Web from the start. I wrote one of the first ten thousand websites for the company I worked at.

The first popular browsers (besides the text based Lynx) were Mosaic and Netscape.

Netscape was the PC standard at many large enterprises until IE started getting popular in the mid 90s.

 

[mccldwll]

Whenever you see a tabloid trash hit piece, for god's sake take the time to learn something about the author. Apppleyard is a bottom feeding slimeball.

"In my experience, read anything in the Appleyard ouvre and that's what you can expect to find: the smug blatherings of a truly stupid person. Yet he has managed to turn his schtick into a successful grind working for fairly prestigious outlets like the Times and the BBC."
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/01/for_gods_sake_have_bryan_apple.php

 

[mccldwll]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AidenShaw
In spite of their faults (and there were many), Windows and Internet Explorer did bring the Internet to the masses. [snip]

--Eric

It's really not possible for you to be any more wrong. I lived through all that so I know first-hand; either you're severely misinformed or you're just making it up. Gotta love revisionist history.... 100% guaranteed that if Microsoft never existed, the Internet have been "brought to the masses" regardless, and I'm quite sure we'd be farther along than we are now.

--Eric

This deserved repeating.

 

[javierbds]

This "MS-Bill Gates" is a savior is getting out of hand ...
Gates has been a weasel (I respect he 'outweaseled' the weasels), MS business practices are the equivalent of ... see Godwin's Law

I can still remember the 8 bit revolution, the cool 16-32 bit machines, the BBSs, ftp servers, news, fingering around the world ... some want to rewrite history.
PC-DOS-Windows-Intel-EGA and VGA ain't it! That was the suits machinery: boring, massive and backwards ... and MS is their offspring. The 1$ shop of computing.

And I thought this was about SJ.

 

[*LTD*]

This "MS-Bill Gates" is a savior is getting out of hand ...
Gates has been a weasel (I respect he 'outweaseled' the weasels), MS business practices are the equivalent of ... see Godwin's Law

I can still remember the 8 bit revolution, the cool 16-32 bit machines, the BBSs, ftp servers, news, fingering around the world ... some want to rewrite history.
PC-DOS-Windows-Intel-EGA and VGA ain't it! That was the suits machinery: boring, massive and backwards ... and MS is their offspring. The 1$ shop of computing.

And I thought this was about SJ.

Considering the mountains and mountains of lost data consumers and corporations have suffered over the years due to MS' gross negligence with respect to OS security, I'm not really impressed with their version of "computing for the masses." Windows has been for the most part a lousy experience for the masses.

MS didn't save the computing industry. They plunged it into the Dark Ages. Now, with Apple going like gangbusters and with the plethora of non-MS options, we're starting to see exactly what we were victims of years ago.

 

[layte]

And I thought this was about SJ.

Threads always start out about something else (well apart from the unusually high amount of Microsoft threads on a supposed Apple fan site...), yet the usual suspects always drag things down to a MS vs. Apple snooze fest. I visit this site as I am interested in what Apple are up to. I read the forums with my hands over my eyes, car crash internet in action.

So yea.. well done chaps. Most people don't give a toss about your one nerd crusade. Billy G and M$ (lololol look what I did there mom!!) have in this very thread been compared to Drug Cartel leaders and Nazi's. Slow handclaps all around

 

[AidenShaw]

No, IE didn't become dominant over Netscape until almost 2000. Netscape would've done just fine for the masses if IE had never come along.

It's really not possible for you to be any more wrong. I lived through all that so I know first-hand; either you're severely misinformed or you're just making it up.

Question: What OS were the masses Netscape running on? Solaris? VMS? Irix? OS/MVT?

I think that it was Windows.... Having the ubiquitous TCP/IP enabled platform was what brought about the Internet popularity.

In those early days (and I was there from the beginning, believe me) there were big hassles between browsers, web servers, operating systems - and not many people outside of the computer profession used the web.

The big "explosion" in Internet usage came with the arrival of e-commerce. And e-commerce wasn't profitable until there was a large penetration of web-capable endpoints where the *customers* could conveniently access the web sites.

Most of those endpoints were running Windows.
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That's the point of my argument - not that something unique and wonderful came out of Redmond, just that the popularity of Windows resulted in a critical mass of web users. Once there was critical mass, the Internet took off with e-commerce and all the things that we see today.

It was called the World Wide Web from the start.

You are right, I was wrong about the timing. The project started under a different name inside CERN, but the name WWW was coined by TBL before the first public announcements.

First announcement of WWW service.

Pre-WWW document:

 

[Speedy2]

Question: What OS were the masses Netscape running on? Solaris? VMS? Irix? OS/MVT?

I think that it was Windows.... Having the ubiquitous TCP/IP enabled platform was what brought about the Internet popularity.

In those early days (and I was there from the beginning, believe me) there were big hassles between browsers, web servers, operating systems - and not many people outside of the computer profession used the web.

This is just utter nonsense and completely disregarding the facts. You might have been there, but it seems you had / have no real insight into the technology that drives the Internet.

The OS of the client does not matter in the Internet. It is the browser that is relevant. No matter if you're running Windows, OS X, Linux or whatever, we can all use the web the exact same way. The dominance of Windows on the desktop had nothing to do with the explosion of Internet usage. Other OSes spoke TCP/IP long before Windows did. And there was even a highly successful browser around, before MS decided to leave MSN behind and jump onto the ship.

Dragging web servers into this is even more clueless, since - until today - the majority of web servers have nothing to with Windows or Microsoft. There have never been "hassles" with web servers since they all speak common, standardized languages called TCP/IP, HTTP and HTML. None of them have anything to do with Microsoft.

In fact, the only major hassles came from the fact that Microsoft und Netscape tried to extend standardized HTML their own ways. MS even dragged an articifical Windows dependency into this when they introduced ActiveX, a technology that is still known for opening wide security holes and causing incompatible, Windows-dependent browser extensions.

 

[DMann]

Question: What OS were the masses Netscape running on? Solaris? VMS? Irix? OS/MVT?

I think that it was Windows.... Having the ubiquitous TCP/IP enabled platform was what brought about the Internet popularity.

In those early days (and I was there from the beginning, believe me) there were big hassles between browsers, web servers, operating systems - and not many people outside of the computer profession used the web.

The big "explosion" in Internet usage came with the arrival of e-commerce. And e-commerce wasn't profitable until there was a large penetration of web-capable endpoints where the *customers* could conveniently access the web sites.

Most of those endpoints were running Windows.
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That's the point of my argument - not that something unique and wonderful came out of Redmond, just that the popularity of Windows resulted in a critical mass of web users. Once there was critical mass, the Internet took off with e-commerce and all the things that we see today.

So this is the way you sugar coat history, and Bill Gates' predatory practices in obliterating Netscape, which at the time held nearly 100% of the browser market, by embedding IE into the Windows OS? Your revisionist perception of history is bafflingly naive, and exceedingly uninformed. The embedding of IE into the operating system, and the effective locking out of competition by that means, has been at the root of several challenges to Microsoft's monopoly practices. Microsoft often loses, and in the US MS has been forced to make significant concessions to avoid an order that it be broken up into OS and applications businesses.

Furthermore,

"Facing competition from Netscape Navigator, Microsoft updated its Explorer browser by using Eolas' technology (Embedded Objects Linked Across Systems) and subsequently bundled it with all of its Windows operating systems since 1995," said Eolas' lead trial attorney, Martin R. Lueck, of Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi L.L.P which has won a landmark victory against Microsoft for infringing a patent which was exclusively licensed to Eolas. A Chicago jury yesterday awarded USD520 million to Eolas which it will split with the UNiversity of California, the inventor which holds the patent."

FYI, Steve Jobs has no direct say in how he utilizes Apple's 40G, although Apple's total cash on hand currently exceeds the 30B mark - perhaps the inaccuracy of your facts reflects your thwarted and clueless views of history.

 

[LagunaSol]

This is just utter nonsense and completely disregarding the facts. You might have been there, but it seems you had / have no real insight into the technology that drives the Internet.

It's funny that while even Microsoft executives will admit they were late to realize the importance of the Internet and had a lot of catching up to do, AidenShaw still finds a way to indirectly credit the company with pioneering it.

Consequently, one must assume Gulfstream pioneered the iPhone, since Steve Jobs happened to be riding in his Gulfstream jet when he dreamed it up.

Oh, and Bill Gates is also an Academy Award winner since, you know, many an Oscar-winning screenplay were typed out in Microsoft Word.

Microsoft: Enabling Greatness (Though Avoiding It Themselves) (TM)

Expect a flurry of pro-Microsoft-pioneered-the-Internet documentation and in-depth research from Aiden now. It's his job, you see.

 

[DMann]

This is just utter nonsense and completely disregarding the facts. You might have been there, but it seems you had / have no real insight into the technology that drives the Internet.

It's funny that while even Microsoft executives will admit they were late to realize the importance of the Internet and had a lot of catching up to do, AidenShaw still finds a way to indirectly credit the company with pioneering it.

Consequently, one must assume Gulfstream pioneered the iPhone, since Steve Jobs happened to be riding in his Gulfstream jet when he dreamed it up.

Oh, and Bill Gates is also an Academy Award winner since, you know, many an Oscar-winning screenplay was typed out in Microsoft Word.

Microsoft: Enabling Greatness (Though Avoiding It Themselves) (TM)

Expect a flurry of pro-Microsoft-pioneered-the-Internet documentation and in-depth research from Aiden now. It's his job, you see.

ROFLMAO

 

[Eidorian]

Well this is interesting enough as usual.

 

[AidenShaw]

It's funny that while even Microsoft executives will admit they were late to realize the importance of the Internet and had a lot of catching up to do,...

And it's pretty widely acknowledged that Microsoft did a heck of a job "catching up".

No question that today the web makes the OS much less relevant. If there had been hundreds of millions of UNIX workstations, or hundreds of millions of Commodores with browsers, or hundreds of millions of Macs, the web would have taken off.

I'm just saying that it took a huge installed base for e-commerce investments to "explode", and that huge installed base was Windows systems.

 

[LagunaSol]

And it's pretty widely acknowledged that Microsoft did a heck of a job "catching up".

Are we talking about market share or quality of the experience?

Because we all know how Microsoft got IE's market share.

And if you're praising the IE Internet experience, well, you might as well go dump your remaining creditability in the pooper and give it a thorough flush.

 

[Eidorian]

Are we talking about market share or quality of the experience?

Because we all know how Microsoft got IE's market share.

And if you're praising the IE Internet experience, well, you might as well go dump your remaining creditability in the pooper and give it a thorough flush.

You're missing out on the rest of the post.

 

[LagunaSol]

You're missing out on the rest of the post.

I believe I responded to his argument that Microsoft somehow pioneered the Internet simply because most Internet users were using Windows in my previous comment.

 

[DMann]

You're missing out on the rest of the post.

Perhaps - hopefully we'll hear less about how Bill Gates invented the internet now.

 

[Eidorian]

I believe I responded to his argument that Microsoft somehow pioneered the Internet simply because most Internet users were using Windows in my previous comment.

I guess that's how it happened? Please enlighten me.

Perhaps - hopefully we'll hear less about how Bill Gates invented the internet now.

Sure, whatever.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Considering the mountains and mountains of lost data consumers and corporations have suffered over the years due to MS' gross negligence with respect to OS security, I'm not really impressed with their version of "computing for the masses." Windows has been for the most part a lousy experience for the masses.

MS didn't save the computing industry. They plunged it into the Dark Ages. Now, with Apple going like gangbusters and with the plethora of non-MS options, we're starting to see exactly what we were victims of years ago.

That is an idiotic statement. I work for a fortune 100 company and we know data loss happens anywhere. On our Macs, *nix, or Windows boxes. If your company can't provide a DR solution than thats their fault not anyone elses. Windows and OSX are tools they are not end all be all solutions. Still think its funny how nobody here acknowledges that the business world would be dead technology wise without Exchange.