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Your comment seems to imply that the actual truth is that Apple treats their retail employees “great”

I’m not really sure there’s much data indicating that honestly

Twelve vacation days for the first three years (6 if part time) … “yay”?
I’ve implied nothing of the sort, but thanks for illustrating the point that commenters here misread and overreact to anything that moves lol
 
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As a European, reading stuff like this is always so jarring against the familiar backdrop of American exceptionalism so often touted by U.S. politicians. These benefits -- while an improvement -- are laughable in comparison to those benefits widely enjoyed and expected by many European workers. If America is truly The Greatest Nation on Earth, you would expect its largest employers to offer world-class pay and working conditions, right? Don't get me wrong, I love America and (most) Americans, I just find it sad that corporate America gets away with so much, and is so seldom held to account by politicians.
Let me first preface that I’m in no way apologizing for the standard level of benefits provided by Apple or most other corporate employers here in America, nor the government that has set such low minimum standard for their citizens. I’d personally be a big advocate for the situations enjoyed by many of you elsewhere around the world, even if it means a higher tax rate. The cliche is sadly often true—American’s are expected to live to work rather than work to live. I’ve worked for a number of very large corporations in American and anecdotally, Apple’s benefits are better than most.

That being said, expecting Apple to voluntarily dramatically exceed the levels provided by most other US employers is blatantly unrealistic. They are operating in a capitalist economy and are (sadly) beholden to their shareholders first. If their bottom line was adversely affected by such increased costs, their shareholders would lose it.

Lots of comments in this thread highlighting the far better minimum benefits many of you enjoy in your home country but let’s be clear—those standards are set by your governments. If the standards were lower, you can bet that most of your employers would likely do barely more than those lower minimum standards would require. None of them are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. Apple employees probably see the same exceptional level of benefits in your country that all of your employers provide—because it’s the law.

This isn’t so much an Apple issue as it’s a US government and frankly, US citizen issue. The majority of the legislative bodies in this country are controlled by the conservative arm of our politics who‘s core beliefs generally preach less government is better and subsequently, less spending and less taxes. They’re not going to subsidize these programs. And the blame falls squarely on our shoulders because we’re the ones who keep putting them in office. Any mention of ’socialism’ or even ‘social programs’ might as well be someone stating they prefer to worship Satan.
 
The majority of the legislative bodies in this country are controlled by the conservative arm of our politics who‘s core beliefs generally preach less government is better and subsequently, less spending and less taxes. They’re not going to subsidize these programs. And the blame falls squarely on our shoulders because we’re the ones who keep putting them in office. Any mention of ’socialism’ or even ‘social programs’ might as well be someone stating they prefer to worship Satan.

Except for Medicare

Boy oh boy do older folks love to rail against "social programs"... except for the one they love getting for themselves
 
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Apple is introducing improved benefits for its retail employees in order to attract and retain workers in the current labor market, reports Bloomberg.

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Updated benefits are applicable to both full time and part time employees, with Apple now offering 12 paid sick days, up from six. Sick days can be used for mental health leave, illnesses, or taking family members to the doctor.

Apple is also providing more vacation days, with an increase in the available vacation days coming after three years of employment instead of five years of employment. Vacation days will be offered to part time employees for the first time, with Apple providing up to six paid vacation days per year.

Part time employees are now eligible for up to six weeks of paid parental leave and will have the option to ramp up work time for the first four weeks when returning, and Apple is also offering part time workers access to discounted emergency backup care for children or elderly family members.

Many companies have been having trouble retaining retail staff amid the pandemic, leading to staffing shortages. In response, companies have upped wages for employees, and, as Apple is doing, added expanded benefits to be competitive with other businesses. Apple's updated benefits will be available starting on April 4.

Article Link: Apple Attracting Retail Workers With Improved Benefits
LOL they really think retail employees are gonna put up with the crap they are put in just to have extra vacation time? Plus WHAT is the incentive to be full time if everyone gets the same benefits. Also Apple couldn't stand to pay the employees more but can pay engineers 180k. LMAO
 
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what would be the salary of an apple store worker. Any ideas? Just interested
pennies. whats worse is people who've been there for YEARS get paid the same amount as people who are seasonal and just starting. Also it depends on the what part of the world youre at. most are hourly as well. the managers are salary.
 
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There is a limit on sick days ?!? Wtf it’s not like you decide to be sick ? my coworker has been sick 2 months. PAID

Also, I would never take a Job with less than 30 vacation days, on top of our 14 bank holidays of course
retail doesnt get bank holidays... LOL those kinds of days are reserved for corpo jobs.
 
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This is correct. This is the minimum Apple is offering now. Many states require more sick PTO and vacation time with accrual differences.

People always forget that the US is a combination of states that all have their own laws, some better than others, with Federal laws and company rules as a minimum requirement. It can be confusing for sure.

However, front line employees should absolutely be paid more and have better benefits than what we typically do in the US. They all work hard and have to deal with the worst people in society.
i agree. i dont want more vacation days and sick time. gimmie more money to put up with mask psychos, "i wanna talk to the manager"s trash parents.
 
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Vacation time after 3 years?!?

I had 14 days immediately when I started with a former employer.
Isn’t two weeks of vacation pretty much the ‘norm’ for most companies/agencies? I mean, it probably depends on the size of the company and policy, but where I’m from, two weeks is standard in most industries.

I just transferred to a new agency, and the same as you, I have two weeks of vacation that I can use at any time outside my training/probationary period.
 
Meanwhile in Germany:



Oh and the Elefant in the Room? 12 Days paid leave when sick? In Germany you get 6 weeks (!) per independet type of sickness.

Bless a working social security/healthcare system.



Greetings
David
You should also mention that after these 6 weeks of fully paid sick leave from your employer, you will be paid about 80% of your last salary by the health insurance for a maximum of another 78 weeks.
Apple is also bound by these rules in the stores.
Sure, wages in the US are higher than here in Europe, but social security is unfortunately at a very low level in the US.
 
Wages in the US are higher, but not really for those who struggle. In October the national minimum wage in Germany is supposed to be raised to 12€/hour. While I am aware that in the larger US cities, starting wage for people working in grocery stores or cafés can be $15-20/hour, but in those cities normally you can‘t even afford a 1-bedroom apartment even if you spend 100% of your salary on rent.

If you include the fact, that an employee in the US might not get enough paid sick or vacation days a year and will take instead unpaid leave, that will lower her/his total yearly income, I wouldn‘t be surprised if the income of an employee in Germany would be higher than in the US, especially if you calculate take yearly income divided by actual hours worked in the same year.

The top ‘x‘ % of earners in the US are without a doubt earning more the same group in Germany, those people often can replace as well the social security with privates insurances, savings and investments.
 
Overall great benefits but focus on offering more💰 bonuses or stock bonuses as compensation. That will attract the workers to stay.


This approach can be applied to retail workers too.
Very true. I won't disclose who I work for, however all employees, full / part time, get an annual bonus based on individual performance, and company performance. It's typically very generous, and definitely motivates people to stay long term.
 
The only--THE ONLY--benefit that would lure me to retail/customer based work is being allowed to fight one customer once a week without fear of repercussions. There had been days during my Apple repair tech days when I wanted to throttle some entitled, the customer is always right? customers. Throttle 'em 'til they're blue as a smurf.?‍♂️

Y'all can't pay me enough to deal with today's Karens and Chads. Allow me to mouth off to one once a week, then I'm your Huckleberry.?
 
ًWhy does Apple need to "attract" retail workers? isn't Apple like high end luxury brand company? those workers should be paid pretty well. Its not K-mart or 7-11

Wow. I’m from from Iceland and these “better benefits” are sad.

We get at least 2 days accumulated a month, equaling 24 days of payed vacation in the first year. This also applies to hourly workers.

On that first year, payed leave rights and sick leave minimums are calculated in a similar way. Meaning you also have 24 days sick leave that first year.

After a year, your sick leave is then minimum 2 months a year.

Unions are mandatory btw

its nice to have this as an employee but for business owner perspective this also means paying someone 2 months for not working.

I think a more realistic and fairer policy is to have 3 days a month off for the employee to take a break whenever he wants and his yearly 30 day vacation is non-paid assuming his salary is substantial and not minimum wage.
 
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Why does Apple need to "attract" retail workers? isn't Apple like high end luxury brand company? those workers should be paid pretty well. Its not K-mart or 7-11

A frustration for me is that Apple doesn't pay the compensate the retail jobs nearly well enough to attract folks that genuinely are passionate and knowledgeable tech fans.

I'm not saying the whole store has to be "Genius Bar" level folks, but a higher baseline than "folks who used to work at The Gap" would be pretty beneficial to customers.

I've overheard so much dead wrong information going to customers from Apple Store employees over the years...it pains me.
 
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That being said, expecting Apple to voluntarily dramatically exceed the levels provided by most other US employers is blatantly unrealistic. They are operating in a capitalist economy and are (sadly) beholden to their shareholders first. If their bottom line was adversely affected by such increased costs, their shareholders would lose it.

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Yes. One's pay is proportional to the worth of your services to the company.
Except for Medicare

Boy oh boy do older folks love to rail against "social programs"... except for the one they love getting for themselves
I'll hazard a guess, but the "older folks" want to see a return into a system they have been paying into, by a promise of the government to provide a return on that payment.
 
I've overheard so much dead wrong information going to customers from Apple Store employees
So ‘hearsay’ then, Which means…. nothing. Because you overheard something doesn’t mean it’s the full translation of the events across how many Apple stores in the U.S. It’s far more important to remain objective based on anything you hear, unless you have personal experience, then what you’re posting really has no significance.
 
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No, you get more vacation time after 3 years of service. This is not saying you have to wait 3 years to get the time. Some companies start people with 2 weeks, then after X years they get 3 then after x years get 4

Yet other developed nations give you nearly a month and unlimited sick days.
 
Apples benefits are shocking. In fact most US companies are. I’m based in the UK and my company vacation leave STARTS at 27 days per year. Plus my birthday off. Plus public holidays. We also have the option but buy and additional 10 days OR sell 10 days of our vacation.

Sick days are not a thing. If you’re sick - you take the time off you need. Simple as.

American companies must drive their employees into the ground.
 
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That’s not enough. Why would any great Tech Salesmen want to work for you Apple? Where’s the commission from their sales? Carriers whom sell your phones give salesmen commission. Also Employees hardly get discounts on products. It’s once a year at 10% is not enough that’s basically covering tax. Why would employees want to demo your product? Why do carrier employees get bonuses when Corporate Apple employees don’t? I’d work there and sell a ton, but I deserve a portion of the money earned for what I push to sell. So there’s your turn over.
 
28 paid days leave in UK, by law. 28 *weeks* paid sick leave, but employers are only required to pay £99 per week, that’s very low, but it’s hard to fire you in that time. In practise, most employers will pay full pay for a few weeks.
 
YOU GET VACATION TIME IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU ARE HIRED AS AN APPLE RETAIL EMPLOYEE.

YOU GET ADDITIONAL VACATION TIME AFTER THREE YEARS WITH THE COMPANY, INSTEAD OF FIVE.


Apologies for the All Caps, but this thread is going to get out of hand quickly due to misunderstanding (and the original MacRumors article could use some editing to note it is "additional vacation time after three years").
Exactly, I keep rereading, and I still interpret it as MORE after three years. I mean that would still technically be true if you started with zero or seven or whatever, but I'm guessing you don't start with none.
 
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