Apple Autonomous Test Vehicle Involved in Accident on August 24

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple is testing its self-driving vehicles in a number of Lexus SUVs out on the roads of Cupertino, and on August 24, one of those vehicles was involved in an accident.

    Apple is required to disclose autonomous vehicle collisions to the California DMV, and the information on the accident was published on the DMV's website.


    According to the accident details, the vehicle in question was in autonomous mode at the time, and sustained moderate damage in the crash, but it does not appear that Apple was at fault for the collision. From the accident report:
    Apple has been testing its self-driving software in Lexus RX450h SUVs in Cupertino, California and surrounding areas since early 2017, but this is the first time an Apple vehicle has been involved in a crash.

    Apple's test vehicles are outfitted with a host of sensors and cameras, and while they are autonomous, each one has a pair of drivers inside. At the current time, Apple is testing its software in more than 60 vehicles.

    It's not yet clear what Apple plans to do with its self-driving software, but it could be added to existing cars and there are still rumors suggesting Apple is working on its own Apple-branded vehicle that could come out by 2025.

    Apple is also working on a self-driving shuttle service called "PAIL," an acronym for "Palo Alto to Infinite Loop." The shuttle program will transport employees between Apple's offices in Silicon Valley.

    Article Link: Apple Autonomous Test Vehicle Involved in Accident on August 24
  2. Lesser Evets macrumors 68040

    Lesser Evets

    Jan 7, 2006
    That'd be a dream crash. I'd roll on the ground, gripping my leg, screaming, "OW OW OW! I NEED A TOP LINE iMAC PRO--STAT!!"
  3. MacAddict2000 macrumors member

    Jun 5, 2005
  4. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    This is the most relevant the Nissan Leaf has Ever been, being involved in a collision with the Apple autonomous vehicle.
  5. Ghost31 macrumors 68020


    Jun 9, 2015
    Noooon there’s a pain in my left leg too! Only thing that would make it better is a pre order for an iPhone xs! Ouchhhhh in goldddd
  6. AJ5790 macrumors 6502

    Jun 1, 2016
    I'm sure they'd be happy to give you one if you ran into their test vehicle like the story says /s Lol
  7. PsykX macrumors 6502a

    Sep 16, 2006
    How many thousand kilometers did they do before having this first accident?
    They're in alpha and they're already on the way to be better than us humans...
  8. AJ5790 macrumors 6502

    Jun 1, 2016
    And all it was doing was making a legal merge. And some brainiac, probably on their phone, just smacks into it...
  9. mi7chy, Aug 31, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2018

    mi7chy macrumors 603


    Oct 24, 2014
    With all the sensors merging should be a piece of cake vs stopping on the expressway like what a bad or inexperienced driver would do. Also, doesn't it have collision avoidance like Tesla to avoid those situations?

  10. BigMcGuire Contributor


    Jan 10, 2012
    Saw one of these self driving cars on the freeway (Apple I believe?) yesterday was shocked to see people driving in such a way to antagonize the vehicle intentionally. The person behind was inches off their bumper. I guess some people like to see the world burn.
  11. boast macrumors 65816


    Nov 12, 2007
    Phoenix, USA
    Humans are dangerous. We need to get them away from behind the wheel as fast as we can.
  12. batting1000 macrumors 604

    Sep 4, 2011
    “Waiting for a safe gap to complete the merge...”

    Wow, this thing is already better than humans at driving.
  13. Swampthing Suspended


    Mar 5, 2004
    I think some people aren’t reading the article. The Apple car did nothing wrong. It was the Nissan Leaf that collided into the rear because it was following too closely. So if you were claiming injuries while driving the Nissan Leaf, you’re on your own!
  14. quietstormSD macrumors 6502a


    Mar 2, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    That’s the problem with self driving cars. They are made to follow rules. Hence the Apple autonomous car going less than 1 mph to find a gap to merge into another lane. Everyone knows you gotta stick your nose into the other lane and force yourself in there!
  15. MacBorn macrumors newbie

    Nov 4, 2016
    < 1mph merge onto an expressway? o_O
    Or was it a turn from a stop?
  16. jagolden macrumors 6502a


    Feb 11, 2002
    Well, it was CA.
  17. ppdix macrumors 6502a


    Jul 6, 2001
    Miami Beach
    I have a Level 2 Driving Assistance on my 2018 Audi S5 and it works pretty well but I wouldn't trust it 100%. It saves you a lot of strain, specially in stop and go traffic but the world is not ready for Self Driving cars yet.
    In my opinion, the only way for this to work is for ALL cars to be autonomous and to communicate with each other.
    There are too many bad drivers out there and the systems are not quick enough to avoid crashes, I know, I use the system every day and u need to stay alert ALL the time.
  18. unobtainium macrumors 68020

    Mar 27, 2011
    How do you avoid someone rear ending you when you’re at the end of a merge lane? Quickly accelerate into traffic or drive off the road?
    --- Post Merged, Aug 31, 2018 ---
    Depends how heavy traffic is. A human driver will likely nose his or her way into traffic, assuming that the humans driving the other vehicles will let them in. But an autonomous car likely needs to be more cautious.

    AI is capable of being more consistent and rules-focused than human drivers. It is not more intelligent. Not even close.
  19. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    I don’t think that’s it, I think people are just negligent and Careless to other people on the roadway today, and they have no due regard to other drivers and traffic laws, I’m not speaking to specifically to this accident between the Leaf and Apple vehicle, but more in relation to your post about people driving to antagonize the Apple vehicle.
  20. DakotaGuy macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002
    South Dakota, USA
    It’ll take 25+ years for self-driving vehicles to even be the majority of vehicles on the road unless they pass laws that ban vehicles driven by humans at an earlier point. Considering the time it’ll take for the total replacement cycle laws might need to be passed to speed up the process.
  21. jagolden macrumors 6502a


    Feb 11, 2002
    Whoa, what am I missing in the article. Where does it say the Leaf was following too closely? Apparently things have changed since I went to driving school but you never stop when merging onto a highway (unless there’s a STOP sign) <1 mph would be considered a stop.

    Thank god I live in MA where people know how to drive. Like they say on Big Brother, "Expect the unexpected". No problems.
  22. mi7chy macrumors 603


    Oct 24, 2014
    Ever heard of a shoulder lane? Most countries have it. It's where the remedial human driver or Apple Car should park if inexperienced with merging and not on the expressway. It's also where the responsible driver can swerve into to avoid collision with the remedial driver or Apple Car that decides to stop on the expressway.
  23. xnatex macrumors member

    Nov 19, 2012
    In driving school, you learn that the vehicle who rear ends another is at fault no matter what. If you hit someone, you get a ticket for following too closely. There are only two ways to rear end someone -- following too closely, or being distracted and not hitting the brake fast enough.

    The article said the Apple car was waiting for a gap in highway traffic while trying to merge. You can't get onto the highway by putting your car inside of another car, that's not how physics work; you have to wait for a gap.

    People are on their phones too much these days. The driver of the Leaf was probably texting.
  24. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    Don't say that. They might have been on their iPhone.

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