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Apples "ION-X" is like Retina, it's a term to fool people. It IS Corning Gorilla Glass.

If it doesn't say Corning it's NOT Corning.

Ion exchange glass isn't exclusive to Corning. Here is one of many examples from Shenzen Sun Global Glass.

http://www.sggglassmanufacturer.com/news/What-s-chemical-toughened-glass-process.html

The fact that Apple doesn't mention Corning is because they're not using Corning across the board. Apple need to stop misleading customers and specify where specifically Corning glass is used.
 
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A seriously good investment. Nothing else to be said.
Because ? After researching aluminum, stainless, molybdene, titanium, tin-alloys, self-repairing nano materials, filing thousands and thousands of patents on meroplasts, ceramics and other materials and tanking billions and billions into sapphire factories, it is now time to go back to the stone/glass age ?
And write off the other investments ?
 
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Yes, I agree. But that to me isn't what th fund was made for. I thought the fund was supposed to be used to encourage local manufacturing and development. When companies typical do these types of funds, it's to help, no strings attached encourage growth.

What this more sounds like is apple giving Corning a "gift" for some future preference.

That didn't need to come from a fund. This could have been done via contract or standard negotiations. But putting it behind this fund makes it look a lot nicer than the move really is.

I think the fund is a great idea. Encourage manufacturing "at home". But Corning glass made something like 2.5 Billion last year in profit, They're not really hurting for $200 million.

Where did you get the impression that this money was supposed to go to small, local, or startup firms, and where did you get the impression that this was meant to be a charity gift rather than an investment? No one ever said such things. Also, please cite when companies give away this money "no strings attached to encourage growth?" It sounds like you are confusing Apple's investment fund in advanced manufacturing with some kind of government backed small business grant or something.
 
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Ion-X is a branding name, yes. But again "gorilla glass" is the same branding technique even though its a spectrum of available products. You can buy the generic (mass produced off the shelf gorilla glass), or you can get additional specifications while still being called Gorilla Glass by Corning.

To elaborate further, an iPhone and a Galaxy both have Gorilla Glass but Samsung may have opted for certain characteristics while Apple has chosen different ones.

And since Samsung's phones have higher BOMs does it imply that Samsung opts for better Gorilla Glass than Apple? In any case, the main point is that Apple is simply buying Gorilla Glass (that's what the actual manufacturer - Corning - calls it) and then pretends that they are using something else. I am curious to see how they call Samsung's OLED screens when they finally make it into iPhone.
 
The fact that Apple doesn't mention Corning is because they're not using Corning across the board. Apple need to stop misleading customers and specify where specifically Corning glass is used.
No they don't use Corning across the board. They also use DragonTail from Asahi Glass. But where has Apple misled customers? Afaik, Apple has never said they exclusively use Corning; Gorilla Glass or otherwise. Others have incorrectly made that assumption. That can't be attributed to Apple. There are dozens of companies manufacturing the same interchangeable components for Apple products. Do you also want to know about all the other parts differences? If so, to what end?

Because ? After researching aluminum, stainless, molybdene, titanium, tin-alloys, self-repairing nano materials, filing thousands and thousands of patents on meroplasts, ceramics and other materials and tanking billions and billions into sapphire factories, it is now time to go back to the stone/glass age ?
You were going somewhere and making an interesting point until you got to the bolded portion. Hyperbole does your point no favors at all. The fact that Apple didn't even spend $1B on GT Advance sort of makes your "tanking bilions and billions into sapphire factories" a bit disingenuous. BTW, factories implies multiple facilities instead of, ya know, the one factory in Mesa, AZ.
 
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And since Samsung's phones have higher BOMs does it imply that Samsung opts for better Gorilla Glass than Apple?
No.

OEM X goes to Corning, says "I want Gorilla Glass with specifications (hardness, scratch resistance, etc.) X,Y,Z" Corning produces that specific version of Gorilla Glass.

OEM Y goes to Corning, says "I want Gorilla Glass with specifications (hardness, scratch resistance, etc.) X,Y,Z" Corning produces that specific version of Gorilla Glass.

Both are Gorilla Glass, both have different fine tuned characteristics, but are both technically under the umbrella group Gorilla Glass.

One cannot say Samsung's Gorilla Glass is better than LG's, Apple's, whoever. IF the OEM didn't buy off the shelf Gorilla Glass they got a custom variant, but you can't make a blanket statement that one is directly better than the other because they've been fine tuned for different qualities that the OEM is looking for.

That's as clear as I can make it.
 
If it doesn't say Corning it's NOT Corning.

Ion exchange glass isn't exclusive to Corning. Here is one of many examples from Shenzen Sun Global Glass.

http://www.sggglassmanufacturer.com/news/What-s-chemical-toughened-glass-process.html

The fact that Apple doesn't mention Corning is because they're not using Corning across the board. Apple need to stop misleading customers and specify where specifically Corning glass is used.
The History of Corning Innovation https://www.corning.com/worldwide/e...vation/the-history-of-corning-innovation.html


Now what can anyone in Shenzen say they came up with.
 
No.

OEM X goes to Corning, says "I want Gorilla Glass with specifications (hardness, scratch resistance, etc.) X,Y,Z" Corning produces that specific version of Gorilla Glass.

OEM Y goes to Corning, says "I want Gorilla Glass with specifications (hardness, scratch resistance, etc.) X,Y,Z" Corning produces that specific version of Gorilla Glass.

Both are Gorilla Glass, both have different fine tuned characteristics, but are both technically under the umbrella group Gorilla Glass.

One cannot say Samsung's Gorilla Glass is better than LG's, Apple's, whoever. IF the OEM didn't buy off the shelf Gorilla Glass they got a custom variant, but you can't make a blanket statement that one is directly better than the other because they've been fine tuned for different qualities that the OEM is looking for.

That's as clear as I can make it.

Yeah, it's just like I ordered BWM with Driver Assistance Plus option and now I tell everybody that my car is Flying Dragon.
 
You were going somewhere and making an interesting point until you got to the bolded portion. Hyperbole does your point no favors at all. The fact that Apple didn't even spend $1B on GT Advance sort of makes your "tanking bilions and billions into sapphire factories" a bit disingenuous. BTW, factories implies multiple facilities instead of, ya know, the one factory in Mesa, AZ.

I'll piggyback on your point here and call it what it is. A lie. Somehow less than $1B invested in a single facility was changed, intentionally, into "tanking bilions and billions into sapphire factories." It wasn't bending the truth, or focusing on one part of a larger story. It was a basic, plain old garden variety lie. I do wish people wouldn't just make up things like that. It's completely unnecessary.
 
Sapphire? I was unaware of Corning making sapphire. Also sapphire, whether lab created or natural, has a high resistance to scratching not cracking. It's hardness contributes to the former and exacerbates the latter.
Never said they make sapphire. I said I want better glass. I know how sapphire works. There have been rumors in the past about sapphire laminated gorilla glass, along with newer versions of gorilla glass that have properties similar to sapphire being very scratch resistant and yet very strong.
 
I'll piggyback on your point here and call it what it is. A lie. Somehow less than $1B invested in a single facility was changed, intentionally, into "tanking bilions and billions into sapphire factories." It wasn't bending the truth, or focusing on one part of a larger story. It was a basic, plain old garden variety lie. I do wish people wouldn't just make up things like that. It's completely unnecessary.
Hyperbole and coloring facts seems to be the current popular modus operandi when rendering opinions on the cyber. Admittedly, it does make pushing a narrative a lot easier. My opinion is if the narrative needs that type of help, it's probably not worth pushing in the first place. I didn't want to say the poster was just lying because I've been told the cyber is hard. Sometimes we need help navigating it.:p:D
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Never said they make sapphire. I said I want better glass. I know how sapphire works. There have been rumors in the past about sapphire laminated gorilla glass, along with newer versions of gorilla glass that have properties similar to sapphire being very scratch resistant and yet very strong.
Apologies for my mistake. I was confused by your post regarding sapphire in a thread about Corning. I didn't get correlation.
 
Apologies for my mistake. I was confused by your post regarding sapphire in a thread about Corning. I didn't get correlation.
It's ok. I wonder though, does Apple still get all of their sapphire from what GT made, since Apple Watch displays and home buttons are so small? You'd think at some point they'd need a new partner. I did a quick Google search and everything just talked about GT so IDK if they've ever found someone new to grow the crystals. Could this investment could be towards something like that?
 
Hope that the future iPhone glass breaks less......
I have an iPhone 5 with no protection and never broke the glass. I see people who destroys their phones and they are actually people with anxiety disorders and kind of... shallow and no brain. And their iPhones is not the only thing is a disaster so there is a pattern.
 
Could there be nice tax benefits calling this an investment instead of simply buying stuff from Corning?
Certainly. Not to mention that Apple gets to announce this instead of an unsubstantiated rumor hinting at them buying 100 million units.
 
I'll piggyback on your point here and call it what it is. A lie. Somehow less than $1B invested in a single facility was changed, intentionally, into "tanking bilions and billions into sapphire factories." It wasn't bending the truth, or focusing on one part of a larger story. It was a basic, plain old garden variety lie. I do wish people wouldn't just make up things like that. It's completely unnecessary.

And I'd piggyback just a bit further to: "...it is now time to go back to the stone/glass age ?
And write off the other investments ?"


That's a real hoot and simply false wishful thinking trying to support an everyday ongoing personal anti-Apple narrative. Yeah, just keep on making stuff up...
 
I'm usually the biggest cynic in the room, but I can think of a pretty simple reason for Apple investing in Corning. That reason? There could be something specific that Apple wants Corning to explore.

Apple: Hey Corning. We'd like you guys to look at the possibility of manufacturing X.

Corning: We'd love to that for you bud. Cool idea, just not in the budget right now.

Apple: Don't worry about the budget. We got it covered.


That makes it a win-win for both companies. Apple potentially gets a component that furthers their plans and Corning potentially gets a new product and revenue stream. This is just me hypothesizing but it works from a simplicity and common sense standpoint.

That scenario won't exist. For a company like Corning, if they really think an idea is a good idea and possibly benefit them in the long run, they have no problem funding it, AT ALL!
 
No they don't use Corning across the board. They also use DragonTail from Asahi Glass. But where has Apple misled customers? Afaik, Apple has never said they exclusively use Corning, Gorilla Glass or otherwise. Others have incorrectly made that assumption. That can't be attributed to Apple. There are dozens of companies manufacturing the same interchangeable components for Apple products. Do you also want to know about all the other parts differences? If so, to what end?You were going somewhere and making an interesting point until you got to the bolded portion. Hyperbole does your point no favors at all. The fact that Apple didn't even spend $1B on GT Advance sort of makes your "tanking bilions and billions into sapphire factories" a bit disingenuous. BTW, factories implies multiple facilities instead of, ya know, the one factory in Mesa, AZ.
You may be right.
I've encountered so many of versions that my counters may have gone disturbed:
MIT https://www.technologyreview.com/s/532636/why-apple-failed-to-make-sapphire-iphones/
"In the year leading up to the release of the iPhone 6, Apple invested more than $1 billion in an effort to make sapphire one of the device’s big selling point±
http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-inc-sp...ed-sapphire-glass-factory-data-center-1803334
but my message did come across.
And I'd piggyback just a bit further to: "...it is now time to go back to the stone/glass age ?
And write off the other investments ?"

That's a real hoot and simply false wishful thinking trying to support an everyday ongoing personal anti-Apple narrative. Yeah, just keep on making stuff up...
There is this variety of investments in different directions that make it hard to follow any route or strategy.
So writing off huge sums (whether 1 or more billions, I wouldn't ignore part of the 20+ bio yearly R&D) remains an issue that no one will ever clarify.
That may be different from misleading - but still insane amounts of money thrown around without much result, as gorilla glass remains the main direction (so we didn't get that much further since the early iPhones)
 
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Hopefully people will finally understand that the Ion Glass Apple uses is just Gorilla Glass and stop doing stupid comparisons between 2 identical products

Partly because Apple uses its own creative terminology, hence Ion-X Glass and "Retina Display" being another example of comparisons.
 
Partly because Apple uses its own creative terminology, hence Ion-X Glass and "Retina Display" being another example of comparisons.
This.

I haven't seen anyone complaining about "infinity screens" from Samsung, but hey, people need something to bitch about from Apple right? ;)
 
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That scenario won't exist. For a company like Corning, if they really think an idea is a good idea and possibly benefit them in the long run, they have no problem funding it, AT ALL!
It's just a hypothetical used to emphasize my idea that Apple could be using Corning as a type of contract R&D for something they'd like to explore. Secondly, it doesn't require Corning to think the idea is good, bad, or ugly. It only requires Apple to say could you look into this for us. We'll pay for your time and effort.
 
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