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Any proof, or or you just making **** up?

Sure, heres some:

Four of the countries that Tim Cook’s Apple Corporation works with are Uganda, Nigeria, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. All of these nations stone, hang and otherwise punish gays with execution and oppression.

Also there's.. you know.. COMMUNIST CHINA.

A company that was really supporting these "Equal Rights" would not do business with these entities but this isn't about rights. Its about fooling the Gay Pride American Morons into buying their products.

Also there is the fact of Cook using Apple to support his Agenda. I mean if a Christian did what Cook is doing right now with a public company that guy would be shot in the middle of the town square LOL. Look at the hobby lobby backlash and thats a PRIVATE company.
 
"At Apple we believe in equal treatment for everyone, regardless of where they come from, what they look like, how they worship or who they love."

but what if the person only loves their race (whatever it is), only loves heterosexuals, and came here illegally and they believe its their religion to kill Americans.


Then what? everyone still? Just asking the question.... o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

That's seems like an example of the slippery slop fallacy. People are not going to condone murder, which is already illegal, simply because it's required for hypothetical tradition. As for potential racists and heterophiles, they're absolutely fine as long as they don't let their emotions affect their actions.

Fixed that for ya! :)
Touché… and *corrected*.
 
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then you should also note that Apple's products were selling and selling well when over 40 states had gay marriage bans and DOMA was still in effect. And those were the trends at that time.



I think he means sources. You made the assertion - you should back it up with sources.

BL.

Uhm.. Are you saying you need some sort of proof Apple does business in these countries? Do you not believe that somehow?
 
then you should also note that Apple's products were selling and selling well when over 40 states had gay marriage bans and DOMA was still in effect. And those were the trends at that time.


Correct. And during that time Apple said nothing about Gay Rights. You just proved my point that this is all Trend and nothing more.
 
Uhm.. Are you saying you need some sort of proof Apple does business in these countries? Do you not believe that somehow?

No. I'm saying, as you should already know, let's apply the rules here as we should.

But I digress. let's get back to your statement. Because Apple does business in a country like those you mentioned, does that mean that Apple supports the government in their actions? Your statement makes it sound like to do business there, Apple must support the government and what they do to its citizens.

U2, Brice Springsteen, David Bowie, didn't play at Sun City in S. Africa due to how they supported apartheid. But they played in S. Africa. Does that mean they supported apartheid?

BL.
 
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I'm not so sure it is the place of a tech company (or most others) to be this involved in policy other than by their doing. You want to promote equality, then do so by corporate policy. However, if Apple truly does have affirmative action policies in place, then it is actually discriminating and not promoting equality. Equality says we don't see sexuality, skin color, gender, race, etc. Affirmative action sees those traits and acts because of them.
 
No. I'm saying, as you should already know, let's apply the rules here as we should.

But I digress. let's get back to your statement. Because Apple does business in a country like those you mentioned, does that mean that Apple supports the government in their actions? Your statement makes it sound like to do business there, Apple must support the government and what they do to its citizens.

U2, Brice Springsteen, David Bowie, didn't play at Sun City in S. Africa due to how they supported apartheid. But they played in S. Africa. Does that mean they supported apartheid?

BL.

Yes I am saying exactly that. The reason why I am saying it is because this in not a case of individual employees at Apple expressing their belief towards something. Thats different. This is a case of the COMPANY itself making a statement of belief. A very very hypocritical statement if they continue to sell products or do business in these places.

But again.. This isn't about rights its about $$$. If you believe anything different you are a fool.
 
This is a good thing. Sexual orientation should be protected in the same way gender, race and religion are. Funny part is that religion is a choice and sexual orientation is not, doesn't it seem odd that we protect people's religious preferences but not their sexual orientation?

Religion is very much indoctrination. Some do break free, but for many it is not really a choice. Ask any Indian who is subjected to arranged marriage if religion is a choice any more than sexuality.
 
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Neanderthals because they don't share the same belief?
hate is wrong but hates ones who hates others is ok?
makes perfect sense...


How 21st century.....

You don't have a god-given right to believe that some people don't deserve to be treated as equals.

It's perfectly fair to hate someone who believes you don't deserve to be treated as a person.
 
It's funny how you guys are so intolerant of those who you think are intolerant. Under your new definition of tolerance, all ideas are equally true and valid. Well if you stick to that, you can't say Christians are bigots without making yourself the intolerant one. See, it's self-defeating.
Not really. Why should one be tolerant of intolerance? You don't see gays going around refusing to serve christians in public establishments and lobbying to pass laws meant to hurt christians. (and no, being able to legally marry doesn't count as hurting christians)

The real issue at hand here is the Christian sense of entitlement. They're used to being favored by the government and getting special treatment and having a say in the laws that are passed. Now they see that special privilege eroding day by day and its scary for them to be treated like everyone else. So what they're trying to do is turn the tables and play the victim card and pretend that they're the ones being discriminated. When in reality they're just being held to the same standards as everyone else.
 
You don't have a god-given right to believe that some people don't deserve to be treated as equals.

It's perfectly fair to hate someone who believes you don't deserve to be treated as a person.

The supreme court ruling had to do with gay marriage not treating people as equals. They are two separate things.
Oh yeah okay, because the millions of gay people in the world who have stated they did not choose be gay are lying.

Please.

They're have been just as many that have stated they were not born that way and made a choice. There are many gay people out there that claim 'born that way' is not true.

Go look some of them up.

Also, since numbers are really important to you. There are 1.1 billion catholics alone in the world that say homosexuality is wrong. Thats more than millions and thats just the catholics. So now what?
 
I'm really sad that ZERO Republicans sponsored/supported this.

It's pathetic that here we have an entire political party that it utterly unified in its desire to be able to discriminate against minorities. It's even more pathetic that they wield so much power in this country and people continue to vote for them. :(
 
This is a belief not fact. There is no science to back this up. There has been no "Gay Gene' discovered.
Lol. It always comes to this so called "gay gene". Unfortunately for you, the majority of the science community agrees that sexual orientation is not a choice. For something to be biological, it doesn't have to be genetic. It can be caused by a variety of factors, including hormonal conditions in the womb. Current science has concluded that sexual orientation is decided in the first 3 months of pregnancy. The great thing about science is that whether you believe in it or not, it's still true. Your religion on the other hand, is 100% fictional. Yet, religion is still a federally protected class. For Christians to say that gays shouldn't be federally protected from discrimination in employment and housing while they should be is the definition of hypocrisy and bigotry. And for them to try and turn around and claim to be discriminated against is just laughable.
 
It's funny how you guys are so intolerant of those who you think are intolerant. Under your new definition of tolerance, all ideas are equally true and valid. Well if you stick to that, you can't say Christians are bigots without making yourself the intolerant one. See, it's self-defeating.

That's not the new definition of tolerance. Hell, that isn't even tolerance.
 
The supreme court ruling had to do with gay marriage not treating people as equals. They are two separate things.


They're have been just as many that have stated they were not born that way and made a choice. There are many gay people out there that claim 'born that way' is not true.

Go look some of them up.

Also, since numbers are really important to you. There are 1.1 billion catholics alone in the world that say homosexuality is wrong. Thats more than millions and thats just the catholics. So now what?

I'm gay and I therefore know more about what it's like to be gay than you do.

It's not a choice. I did not choose to be gay and more than you chose to be straight, but please continue to live in ignorance.

You can't seriously believe every single catholic on Earth believes that homosexuality is wrong. Some people have evolved beyond ignorance.

I don't know why I'm even engaging in this with you to be honest.
 
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Neanderthals because they don't share the same belief?
hate is wrong but hates ones who hates others is ok?
makes perfect sense...


How 21st century.....
Well yes because we're hating people who choose to be idiots, not those with things they can't change.

It's like the whole "straight pride" thing. Some people really don't understand discrimination or the inequality that happened before.
 
Not really. Why should one be tolerant of intolerance? You don't see gays going around refusing to serve christians in public establishments and lobbying to pass laws meant to hurt christians. (and no, being able to legally marry doesn't count as hurting christians)

The real issue at hand here is the Christian sense of entitlement. They're used to being favored by the government and getting special treatment and having a say in the laws that are passed. Now they see that special privilege eroding day by day and its scary for them to be treated like everyone else. So what they're trying to do is turn the tables and play the victim card and pretend that they're the ones being discriminated. When in reality they're just being held to the same standards as everyone else.

Time to broaden the scope a bit. You're getting a little tooooo black and white here in your assumptions and rationale. You are essentially arguing that there aren't any Christian gays. Sexuality and religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive subsets.

You've also fallen prey to a pattern of generalization and lumping an entire group or groups together, almost insisting that all gays and all Christians are on a some two email distribution lists and assemble to play tug of war over the legal aspects of the social landscape.
 
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