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Time to broaden the scope a bit. You're getting a little tooooo black and white here in your assumptions and rationale. You are essentially arguing that there aren't any Christian gays. Sexuality and religion or not necessarily mutually exclusive subsets.

You've also fallen prey to a pattern of generalization and lumping an entire group or groups together, almost insisting that all gays and all Christians are on a some two email distribution lists and assemble to play tug of war over the legal aspects of the social landscape.
Actually I dont assume any of that. It's you who's making assumptions.
 
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This is a belief not fact. There is no science to back this up. There has been no "Gay Gene' discovered.
This is incorrect. There is science. We know that sexuality has a genetic component as well as an environmental component. This has been demonstrated for decades with twin studies. Here is an old post from 2008.

The most cited evidence for a genetic component of being gay is from twin studies. These studies look at the rate of homosexuality amongst varying twins - monozygotic (identical twins), heterozygotic (non-identical twins) as well as adopted siblings who entered the home less at less than two years of age (no genetical similarity and hence a control for environment factors). If there was a genetic component for homosexuality you'd expect there to be a higher correlation with those twins more genetically identical (monozygous) and less for the non-identical twins, and then less correlation again between adopted siblings (only the environmental component would factor). To cite on example a paper by Bailey & Pillard (Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1991 Dec;48(12):1089-96.) they found exactly this correlation, with 52% of monozygotic twins gay, 22% of heterozygotic twins gay, and 11% of adoptive brothers gay.
There have been other studies done with similar conclusions.
 
You don't have a god-given right to believe that some people don't deserve to be treated as equals.

It's perfectly fair to hate someone who believes you don't deserve to be treated as a person.
I do believe people should be treated as equals. I guess you missed my point.
 
It's funny how you guys are so intolerant of those who you think are intolerant. Under your new definition of tolerance, all ideas are equally true and valid. Well if you stick to that, you can't say Christians are bigots without making yourself the intolerant one. See, it's self-defeating.

Have a nice day.
"Meta-intolerance" is widely practiced and accepted as part of the current culture...
 
Sure why not?? Does everyone include everyone? If not then what is it. Just wanting people to look at both sides of the coin because both exist.

I think the biggest problem with some people, AND I'M NOT NAMING NAMES, is that they often confuse criticism with oppression.

My personal stance on the issue is that I will defend to the death everyone's right to state their opinion, but that doesn't mean I won't say your opinions are really ****ing stupid if they are, in fact, really ****ing stupid.

...because, you know, that's my opinion.
 
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Not really. Why should one be tolerant of intolerance? You don't see gays going around refusing to serve christians in public establishments and lobbying to pass laws meant to hurt christians. (and no, being able to legally marry doesn't count as hurting christians)

The real issue at hand here is the Christian sense of entitlement. They're used to being favored by the government and getting special treatment and having a say in the laws that are passed. Now they see that special privilege eroding day by day and its scary for them to be treated like everyone else. So what they're trying to do is turn the tables and play the victim card and pretend that they're the ones being discriminated. When in reality they're just being held to the same standards as everyone else.

Like most people, you have an inaccurate view of Christianity. There is absolutely no sense of entitlement among genuine believers. You're confusing Christians with the GOP and political activists who may take ideologies from the Bible, but are not necessarily true followers of Jesus Christ.

The reason why there is no entitlement among Christians is because Christians know the world hates them. John 15:18 - "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." The word "if" here translated from its Greek is actually an imperative, more accurately, "WHEN the world hates you..." Christians were persecuted 2000 years ago by the Roman Empire and will continue to be persecuted today, not in a physical way like 2000 years ago but in other ways like losing friends, getting fired from work, getting your business ripped apart on Yelp, etc etc.

Christians are not citizens of this world. Jesus clearly said you cannot love me AND love this world. A servant cannot have 2 masters. He either loves one and hates the other. We've chosen to follow Jesus Christ and try our best to turn from the sin this world indulges in. And you can't say "Jesus was a good teacher and a lover of all people, but those Christians are awful and intolerant group". Face it, you don't like him. You hate him. Jesus is inherently counter-cultural. Why? Because he is the Son of God, and what did the world think of Jesus 2000 years ago when he said that? They killed him for it.
 
I'm really sad that ZERO Republicans sponsored/supported this.

It's pathetic that here we have an entire political party that it utterly unified in its desire to be able to discriminate against minorities. It's even more pathetic that they wield so much power in this country and people continue to vote for them. :(

I can think of numerous minority Republicans. They do not discriminate against minorities. Some FACTS about Republicans and Democrats:

1. Republicans fought to abolish slavery and Lincoln was the first Republican president.

2. Democrats fought for slavery.

3. The KKK was a wing of the Democratic Party. Segregation and Jim Crowe laws were supported by Democrats.

4. The first black Senators and representatives were all Republican.

5. The civil rights movement was started by the Republican Party and the civil rights amendments were passed with a greater percentage of Republican votes than Democrat votes.

6. The notion that the two parties "flipped" at some point is a myth started by Lyndon Johnson as part of what he dubbed the great "Democratic Delusion" in an attempt to make progressive values Democrat as a means to power.

7. Entitlements and other government programs are designed to keep poor beholden to the government and in favor of it. Democrats don't want people to get a leg up and help themselves. By design it is a means of control.

Get some real information and don't believe the lies or go spreading misinformation about a political party.
 
I do believe people should be treated as equals. I guess you missed my point.

Read my second point again. You're suggesting people should be 'tolerant' and not hate those who hate them, and believe they are not equals. Would you ask a person of colour to accept a racist person, and be tolerant of them?

"Meta-intolerance" is widely practiced and accepted as part of the current culture...

Read my above point.
 
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Actually I dont assume any of that. It's you who's making assumptions.

I'm simply pointing that your fanatical second paragraph is extreme and can easily be interpreted as such. Read what you wrote.
 
Like most people, you have an inaccurate view of Christianity. There is absolutely no sense of entitlement among genuine believers. You're confusing Christians with the GOP and political activists who may take ideologies from the Bible, but are not necessarily true followers of Jesus Christ.

The reason why there is no entitlement among Christians is because Christians know the world hates them. John 15:18 - "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." The word "if" here translated from its Greek is actually an imperative, more accurately, "WHEN the world hates you..." Christians were persecuted 2000 years ago by the Roman Empire and will continue to be persecuted today, not in a physical way like 2000 years ago but in other ways like losing friends, getting fired from work, getting your business ripped apart on Yelp, etc etc.

Christians are not citizens of this world. Jesus clearly said you cannot love me AND love this world. A servant cannot have 2 masters. He either loves one and hates the other. We've chosen to follow Jesus Christ and try our best to turn from the sin this world indulges in. And you can't say "Jesus was a good teacher and a lover of all people, but those Christians are awful and intolerant group". Face it, you don't like him. You hate him. Jesus is inherently counter-cultural. Why? Because he is the Son of God, and what did the world think of Jesus 2000 years ago when he said that? They killed him for it.
And there's that persecution complex I was talking about....

For people who are apparently so concerned about the world hating them, it's amazing how quick they are to spread hate to other people. Worst part is, they don't realize when they're doing it and then act shocked when there is a backlash to their discriminatory actions.
 
How about you just keep your eyes looking straight ahead and don't try to sneak a peek at the equipment of the person next to you?

What about garden-variety hetero male pervs claiming female souls hanging out in the women's bathrooms. Its not my eyes that need restraint
 
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I can think of numerous minority Republicans. They do not discriminate against minorities. Some FACTS about Republicans and Democrats:

1. Republicans fought to abolish slavery and Lincoln was the first Republican president.

2. Democrats fought for slavery.

3. The KKK was a wing of the Democratic Party. Segregation and Jim Crowe laws were supported by Democrats.

4. The first black Senators and representatives were all Republican.

5. The civil rights movement was started by the Republican Party and the civil rights amendments were passed with a greater percentage of Republican votes than Democrat votes.

6. The notion that the two parties "flipped" at some point is a myth started by Lyndon Johnson as part of what he dubbed the great "Democratic Delusion" in an attempt to make progressive values Democrat as a means to power.

7. Entitlements and other government programs are designed to keep poor beholden to the government and in favor of it. Democrats don't want people to get a leg up and help themselves. By design it is a means of control.

Get some real information and don't believe the lies or go spreading misinformation about a political party.
Wow, talk about revisionist history. Your local school system has failed you.

And I guess Johnson's "attempt" worked. Because in the 21st century the Democrats are the champions of progressive values today. Maybe you should rewrite history to make the first black president a republican too.
 
Religion is very much indoctrination. Some do break free, but for many it is not really a choice. Ask any Indian who is subjected to arranged marriage if religion is a choice any more than sexuality.
It's hardly a choice lmao. I managed to break free.

(Side note, our scriptures never actually mention that arranged marriages are the only way to go, the previous generation messed up big time and became ultra-traditionalists.
 
It's hardly a choice lmao. I managed to break free.

(Side note, our scriptures never actually mention that arranged marriages are the only way to go, the previous generation messed up big time and became ultra-traditionalists.

I've always been under the impression that an Indian arranged marriage is more like your family setting you up on an overly glorified blind date, and you have the choice to turn it down if things don't work out.
 

Can you please copy and paste the exact paragraph from this page that implies Apple does not support equal rights?

The only things I can see on that page that discuss equality are:

We honor individuality, human dignity, and equality.

Together, we are committed to diversity within our company and the advancement of equality and human rights everywhere.

That is the opposite to what you are claiming.
 
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Religion and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is, at its heart, a relationship with God.

Being a Christian means you stand rightly before God, because you confess Jesus as the Son of God who is the propitiation for our sins.
 
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