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Indonesia is practically a 300 million country with less than 4300 USD GDP per capita.

Buying iPhones is a problem very few people have.
They're going to miss out on at least 30-40 sales. The horror. I bet Apple's stock drops $0.00002 over this!
Indonesians buy more iPhones than you think.


JAKARTA, 16 May 2024 — Indonesia’s smartphone market grew sharply at 27.4% year-over-year (YoY) and 11.5% quarter-over-quarter (QoQ) to 10 million units in 1Q24, according to International Data Corporation’s (IDC) Worldwide Quarterly Mobile Phone Tracker. Vendors were able to bring in significant shipments to capitalize on the Ramadan season. After a few quarters of low shipments, vendors stocked up the channels, setting the stage for strong growth in 1Q24.

Higher-priced smartphones in the US$600+ segment continued to grow significantly in 1Q24 at 12.8% YoY, led by Apple. The mid-range segment of US$200<US$600 had the highest growth at 73.4% YoY, as Apple, Samsung, vivo, and Xiaomi grew sharply in this price segment.



As of Sept. 2024, Apple's mobile marketshare in Indonesia was at 12.33%, behind Oppo (17.02%), Samsung (16.43%), Xiaomi (13.65%), and Vivo (13.2%).
 
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Just like Apple creates market and eats 30% on all its services, counties also create market allowing organizations like Apple to target their customers. For this ecosystem to exist governments are taxing, seeking duties, investments etc…which is far less than the 30% Apple/Google/Microsoft are seeking. It is very difficult to create, sustain and develop such big markets. The government is responsible for maintaining the citizen’s well being, infrastructure to exist and operate efficiently, ensure people have enough money and the country’s economy is stable enough for their citizen’s to avail products and services offered by various market players like Apple.
 
Just like Apple creates market and eats 30% on all its services, counties also create market allowing organizations like Apple to target their customers. For this ecosystem to exist governments are taxing, seeking duties, investments etc…which is far less than the 30% Apple/Google/Microsoft are seeking. It is very difficult to create, sustain and develop such big markets. The government is responsible for maintaining the citizen’s well being, infrastructure to exist and operate efficiently, ensure people have enough money and the country’s economy is stable enough for their citizen’s to avail products and services offered by various market players like Apple.
this is not about tax.
Apple does pay import duties and sales tax in every country.
problem is with sourcing 40% of components from that country.
 
From India and it worked.
India was different.
India didn't allow Apple to open stores till Apple invested in India.
Sourcing 40% from every country will be difficult.
will increase cost, pain to validate so many vendors from different countries, would impact quality and increase variation in components.
 
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it is not about investment, if every country wants manufacturers to source 40% on components from their country supply chain would be a mess and will increase cost of validation.
Life isn't fair, and it isn't every country's job to make sure apple can continue to make huge profits.
 
AI can only see patterns in past data not predict the future.
lol but what about when it uses patterns in past data to predict the future? like weather forecasts. haha. also OP was joking and you came at this when the most dead pan response i had to laugh!
 
Before Indonesia impose such restrictions, they need look at back minor to see if they have such supply chain capability to meet such demand.

If history tells us anything, is that we will never learn from history. We are seeing roll back of globalization and we will live in consequences of such environment.

It is true that globalization did hollowed manufacturing sectors in advanced economics, but it also created booming middle class and low cost of living. And we are undoing anything we have done in past decades.
 
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One would think Apple would be interested in the fourth largest country on the planet by population.
One would!

Admittedly, though, "country has many people" does not necessarily map well to "country has many people likely to buy an iPhone if we made it easier".

Case in point: Pakistan is the 5th most populous country and Nigeria is the 6th; both are close to Indonesia in population. Pakistan's average annual income is, I believe, about US$1500 and Nigeria's is around US$1900. There are still, of course, plenty of people in both of those countries that can afford and might want to buy an iPhone at the prices Apple currently sells them, but that number is a much, much smaller fraction the population than somewhere like Australia with an average income closer to US$65,000; I would be willing to bet that Apple sells more iPhones in Australia than Nigeria and Pakistan combined, despite it having something like 1/20 the population, and that that would hold true even if there were a better Apple retail presence in both of those countries. For a company that makes only higher-end products, there's simply a larger addressable market.

Now, Indonesia is somewhere in between; it's average income is I believe around $5000. So, combined with the large population, there is definitely a good-sized addressable market there, and I think it's poor form that Apple seems to have mostly left the country at the mercies of fairly crappy resellers. But it's also fair to acknowledge that potential market is not proportional to the country's population.

Per a post just above, the total smartphone market in Indonesia is currently somewhere in the ballpark of 1/10 the size of that in the US, which is much lower per-capita, but also still pretty good sized; the higher-end fraction of that market is about 1/3, so maybe 12M units a year. Nothing to sneeze at for sure, and Apple already has a decent chunk of that market share without a decent retail presence.

I would speculate, without evidence, that geography might be a factor; Indonesia is not very close to anywhere Apple has a large presence or logistics. Plus the issue of "low density" buyers; maybe everyone who buys iPhones is concentrated in Jakarta and Bandung, but Indonesia is a big country, so the potential-iPhone-buyers-per square-mile is probably much worse than even rural parts of the US in much of the country.

Another factor may be Indonesia's laws relating to foreign companies (what this article is about in the first place), and its relatively poor reputation as far as corruption goes; the US scored a not-great 69/100 last year, but Indonesia only managed 34/100, which from what I hear from the person I know well who lives there is not wrong--I'm constantly hearing complaints about how much of a pain it is to deal with corrupt government officials.
 
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It is a game of Chicken and it is now Apple's move.
They could spend more "investment" in Indonesia.
They could turn around and decide to pull additional items out of the market in Indonesia.
The could limit service in Indonesia (no AI).

It all depends on how tough Apple wants to play. The might decide to play tough, since Indonesia is not that large of a market, and Apple might want to make a statement to other countries contemplating similar protectionist measures.
 
Yes. Indonesia first! I wonder who they got that idea from?
The EUSSR! There is looking after your citizens, then there is just abusing your position as a dictator to grab billions of dollars.

You think the money the EUSSR gets from suing companies in the guise of "consumer protection" actually goes back to the people? It's extortion and corruption by another name.
 
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Disappointing for users in Indonesia. Hopefully the decision will be reconsidered.
 
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Made compulsory in 2020 by the Indonesian government, a device purchased outside of Indonesia can be used for the first 90 days inside the country, after which it will blocked until taxes have been paid on the imported device. The IMEI number (a unique number for each device) is used to track devices and block stolen or illegally imported phones at the mobile network operator level. [/I][/COLOR]

In other words, if you are a government official, you don’t have to worry. You will get your IMEI registered. Otherwise, you’ll just have to bribe someone. If you don’t know who to bribe, you can’t afford an iPhone in the first place.
 
Not as simple as going to Singapore and pick one up. If they did, the iPhone is as good as brick when it lands in Indonesia. You can't use Indonesia network without first whitelisting the IMEI in the national system.
I go to Bali and have no issues putting an Indo SIM in my iPhone or Android phone.

These would be treated like tourist phones.
 
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The nation's plan was hatched in 2019 in response to the scourge of black-market handhelds imported into Indonesia by folks with little interest in paying import taxes or whether customers would enjoy good network connections. The presence of black market phones also threatened local manufacturers.

Indonesia therefore decided no cellphone could touch local networks if the unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number (IMEI) baked into every handset wasn't registered with the government. It's since established a database to list IMEIs, called the centralized equipment identity register (CEIR). If a device isn't listed in CEIR it's a virtual brick right out of the box if used in Indonesia.




If you are planning to travel to Indonesia for more than 90 days, you will need to pay close attention to your phone's IMEI registration to avoid an unexpected disconnection from your cell phone’s network provider.

Made compulsory in 2020 by the Indonesian government, a device purchased outside of Indonesia can be used for the first 90 days inside the country, after which it will blocked until taxes have been paid on the imported device. The IMEI number (a unique number for each device) is used to track devices and block stolen or illegally imported phones at the mobile network operator level.
It's not a brick IMMEDIATELY... 90 days then pay tax.

I've left phones in Bali with friends and they have never complained about using it being an issue.

Years ago there were lots of shops with old hardware... could pick up a cheap burner if you wanted or a classic old bit of memory kit. These seem to have gone like the pirate DVD shops. And been replaced with tattoo and barbershops :)
 
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Weird that they would outright ban the devices, instead of imposing a harsher tariff on them. driving up the sale price to the consumer, and letting the market do the rest.
 
Weird that they would outright ban the devices, instead of imposing a harsher tariff on them. driving up the sale price to the consumer, and letting the market do the rest.
If what the government want to achieve is more FDI from Apple, a ban seems more effective. A ban hurts Apple pretty directly. Higher tariffs on the other hand would, as you mentioned, just drive up prices for consumers.

Not every country can get away with such a policy. But it seems Indonesia is just big enough to make it work.
 
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