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Has anyone ever read the T&C from any Apple product or service? I mean click Agree.Next. right?

How many have violated the T&C's themselves? Would you like it if Apple singled you out for something that "everyone's doing"

Every Apple device has been "torn down" hasn't it? That ship had long sailed. It was only a matter of time. Apple is being a bully.
 
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I would expect retaliation from ifixit for unreasonable demands.

huh? ifixit had their dev acct revoked and their app removed from the apple store.

ifixit aren't developers (or.. coding isn't their schtick).. their app is outdated.. needs a rewrite (beyond routine maintenance/upkeep).. is buggy on new OS.. ifixit says they want to rewrite their web app only. (fwiw, i've always read ifixit via macs.. didn't realize they had a phone app but still, i'd rather just have instructions up on a display)

they can continue to do what they do in the same way they've always done.. nothing changes and they've hardly (like barely) been penalized or disciplined or whatever..

this developer preview with a piece of hardware is a rare occurrence and it's not as if ifixit depends on pre-release hardware to do their thing.. they get the new stuff at the same time everybody else does.. and you'll generally see their teardown within a day or two of product launch.

idk, if the ifixit people decided to comment in this thread, i'm pretty sure they'd say something ala "hey, thanks for the support fellas.. but really, this isn't as bad as some of you all are making it out to be.. we'll be just fine"

That said, if apple made customers sign such a contract I'd tell them where to stick the contract and never buy from them again.
oh, you don't actually read those 50 pages prior to clicking on the 'I Agree' button? it's cool.. nobody else reads that crap either.. we all just click 'ok' on those annoying popups ;)
 
I am not a developer. With that said, what harm was done to apple? I understand iFixit was breaking the nda, but what is the purpose of this provision? These are not rhetorical questions.
 
Has anyone ever read the T&C from any Apple product or service? I mean click Agree.Next. right?

How many have violated the T&C's themselves? Would you like it if Apple singled you out for something that "everyone's doing"

Every Apple device has been "torn down" hasn't it? That ship had long sailed. It was only a matter of time. Apple is being a bully.
Its a NDA contract they signed, read, and knowingly violated. Nothing to do with tearing things apart and reading/agreeing to terms and conditions on your end.
 
From day one, every decision by Apple under Tim Cook's stewardship as CEO has been looked at through the lens of "what would Steve have done." If any of the people on this forum bashing Apple for banning iFixit have asked the question of "what would Steve do" then you should ask that question with regards to how Steve would have handled iFixit.

iFixit entered a contract with Apple of its own free will. Apple did not force or mislead iFixit in any way. iFixit chose to violate the terms of the contract. Why should iFixit be spared from the consequences? For those calling it a "d**k move" or a "petty move", tell me what is wrong with Apple enforcing the terms of a contract? j
 
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While people are probably mad that the iFixIt app is gone, it's kind of just a result of the way the app store is setup. They broke NDA and got their developer account banned, which results in any apps posted under their account being removed. It's cause and effect. It's not really like Apple thought the app was breaking any rules or wanted to purposely take it down, it's just a result of the consequences. The app should still be under purchased history for those who downloaded it, and even so, I think the iFixIt website is a better way to see their manuals anyways. The app didn't seem very up to date with iOS/iDevice standards the last time I used it.
 
I understand iFixit was breaking the nda, but what is the purpose of this provision? These are not rhetorical questions.
the product is in development phases.. it's not ready for consumers.
ifixit is using it for consumer purposes.

a similar situation would be something like--
some lady at foxconn snaps a shot of a preproduction iphone7 and posts it on the internet.. she gets caught.. what do you suppose is going to happen to her?

ifixit did essentially the same thing.. except not only did they post a blurry pic that sort of looks like a phone, they put up pro caliber photos off all the innards etc.
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple+TV+4th+Generation+Teardown/49046

obviously, the iphone7 example will likely to incur more severe penalties but the 'crime' committed is virtually identical.

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the purpose of the developer program is to benefit both apple and coders.

apple gets to show examples of apps working on the thing come release date.. devs will have better chance at sales/recognition/whatnot since they get a jump on the competiton.
 
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the product is in development phases.. it's not ready for consumers.
ifixit is using it for consumer purposes.

a similar situation would be something like--
some lady at foxconn snaps a shot of a preproduction iphone7 and posts it on the internet.. she gets caught.. what do you suppose is going to happen to her?

ifixit did essentially the same thing.. except not only did they post a blurry pic that sort of looks like a phone, they put up pro caliber photos off all the innards etc.
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple+TV+4th+Generation+Teardown/49046

obviously, the iphone7 example will likely to incur more severe penalties but the 'crime' committed is virtually identical.

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the purpose of the developer program is to benefit both apple and coders.

apple gets to show examples of apps working on the thing come release date.. devs will have better chance at sales/recognition/whatnot since they get a jump on the competiton.

But what injury is done? I feel like iFixit appeals to the die hard apple fan geeks, myself included, which in turn gets people MORE excited for the product. Is the assumption that samsung will see the pictures and rush to copy it?

Man, that's like sharing someone's song before it's finished. Bad hat.

We use iFixit quite a bit for my Mac based IT business. It troubles us to see a vendor taking risks and acting in poor fashion. At the very least it can have an effect on my business.

Then again we run my business morally and debt free. It's hard to find the likeness.

Do you think apple will actually be modifying apple tv that much from the dev version?
 
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This is incredibly petty of Apple. It's not like iFixIt showing us the guts of the Apple TV hurt them in any way.

It sounds like this is them "making an example out of" iFixIt to scare other devs into following the agreements to the letter. Still, pretty petty in my opinion. iFixIt contributes a lot to the community.

I totally agree with you on this and that dude kaibelf seems to miss the point that no damage was done. This was just a petty act on Apple's part it wasn't that serious and they over reacted. If they didn't want anything to be disclosed should've made their engineers test it out but wait they rely on developing to build their profits and business, they are the ones wrong if you were to ask me. That user is being totally politically correct which he doesn't need to be. Seems like the type to tell on his coworkers for clocking in a minute late smh.
 
But what injury is done?
with the apple tv, which has already been announced etc and is in a few people hands already.. not much injury.. likewise, at least as we've seen so far, not much punishment either.

i get it.. to us, we see more of a grey area and room for discussion.. but it's probably more of a black and white decision for the lawyers.. 'they did ___ so we do ___" ..i imagine the execs decided how severe the repercussions should be and in this case, issued the slap on the wrist..
but the language in the contract would allow for much more severe actions to be taken by apple.. they could certainly sue ifixit and win whatever it is they're suing for..
and i'm sure they'd take it that far if it were to happen with ,say , the iwatch (which i believe had a more secretive and select group of pre release developers involved).

I feel like iFixit appeals to the die hard apple fan geeks, myself included, which in turn gets people MORE excited for the product.
maybe.. but even then, it's approx zero difference in regards to your hype example if the teardown happens now or the day after the apple tv is released..

and realistically, at least as far as sales are concerned, it's probably better to have that teardown happen when it's available to buy.. collect that impulse buyer money ;)


Is the assumption that samsung will see the pictures and rush to copy it?

probably more like
"we're apple.. we keep secrets.. if a secret is to be let out, it will be at our hands"
..and apple didn't want this info released just yet.
 
You're not only naive but also very illiterate from the way you write what you said. You see you're one of the problems in society you people always want to be politically correct and always follow rules. Well let me explain something to you just stop it because I don't see where this did anything to hurt apple in any shape or form. They decided to give out development models so deal with it. They have their own workers/engineers where if they didn't want the public to see anything they could have. You really have no idea what you're talking about I'm just reading through this forum post and it's like yore getting a paycheck to defend something that didn't cause any harm. I suggest you go find a good book to read and keep your mouth close because some rules are meant to be broken. Give me a break with the NDA. It's a bunch of bull and you know it. You seem like the type to tell on your coworkers and report everything the doesn't need to be.

Wow. One of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a long time.
 
Wow. One of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a long time.

What's so ignorant about what I said? Anyways wasn't speaking to you but maybe you agree with his logic so be it. I guess you were both coddle but let me tell you something there will be no coddling here this is the real world. Thanks
 
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Okay, seriously? I assume you're just trolling, but I'll reiterate:

If you read the actual exact terms one must agree to to sign up for a developer account (they're published on Apple's website, and in fairly understandable legalese as such things go), it says that iFixIt terminated the agreement itself. They did one of the five things listed that explicitly and automatically result in you terminating your own developer agreement.

Said termination only becomes effective when Apple notifies you that it's terminated, of course, but according to the actual contract, the termination was initiated--by iFixIt--the moment iFixIt published the article.

Having a basic understanding of contract law and NDAs--something the organization I work for signs in both directions on a regular basis--doesn't make you a lockstep "Apple fanboy" marcher.

I also note that I liked iFixIt before and still do. They broke a contract willingly, got the result they should have expected and probably did, and actually aren't complaining that much about it (although the "our app was broken anyway" sounds pretty sour grapes). For all we know, they were planning on ditching their app anyway, and figured this would be a much flashier way to get it off the store rather than letting it fade away or announcing they were removing it from the store themselves.

It's fine if people think iFixIt was in the right. I don't much care one way or the other. But pointing out Apple was 100% within its rights to take this course of action and that NDAs and developer agreements are legally binding documents doesn't a fanboy make.

Aside: If Apple was suing iFixIt for some vast sum of money as a result of this, then I'd complain and be on iFixIt's side, because they would have a very hard time proving any genuine monetary loss from this. Terminating a developer account, however, is just proportional response.
 
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Person above me has provided a pretty good explanation
Apple is in the wrong in my opinion, but they had the rights to do it so you can't exactly dispute that.
 
Love how some are saying apple was wrong and "it's just petty! They should've been allowed to break the rules because it doesn't sound like a big deal to me!"

They knew they broke the rules and then broke it. How is that not more douchey than Apple banning them?
 
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Thanks iFixit for taking my AppleTV I wanted to develop apps for and rip it apart in the name of ad revenue. We all know very few people actually buy those tools anyway. Just another click whore that content blockers will fix(it) soon...

We aren't a little miffed at iFixit because they often criticize the construction methods Apple uses to make their eco-friendly throw-away devices are we? While Macs are supposed to last for a very long time Apple uses a lot of leverage to make sure they are not easily repaired.
 
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Um, Apple, you gave an Apple TV to an outfit with only one poorly-maintained app in the marketplace, and which has a reputation for taking gadgets apart and posting their guts online, and you didn't think this would happen?

I am not saying iFixit doesn't deserve any of this, but seriously, who does the QC at Apple when it comes to deciding who gets to have an Apple TV? That's an ATV that could have gone to a more deserving app developer with a better track record.
 
What's so ignorant about what I said? Anyways wasn't speaking to you but maybe you agree with his logic so be it. I guess you were both coddle but let me tell you something there will be no coddling here this is the real world. Thanks

It's that you're missing that IFixIt admitted to violating an NDA. NDA's are legally binding, damages have nothing to do with it. It is literally "I will give you something to use and play with, on the condition that you don't share the info", this isn't Apple being petty, it's Apple doing what is industry standard.

That's ignorant about your post is, your ignorance of what IFixIt did (and admitted to), and the ramifications were of what they did.

Um, Apple, you gave an Apple TV to an outfit with only one poorly-maintained app in the marketplace, and which has a reputation for taking gadgets apart and posting their guts online, and you didn't think this would happen?

I am not saying iFixit doesn't deserve any of this, but seriously, who does the QC at Apple when it comes to deciding who gets to have an Apple TV? That's an ATV that could have gone to a more deserving app developer with a better track record.

It's a lottery.

If you were a dev and put your name in the hat, you could have gotten one too.
 
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This is incredibly petty of Apple. It's not like iFixIt showing us the guts of the Apple TV hurt them in any way.

It sounds like this is them "making an example out of" iFixIt to scare other devs into following the agreements to the letter. Still, pretty petty in my opinion. iFixIt contributes a lot to the community.


Ah yes, but Chinese, Korean and domestic rivals will use that information to come up with cheaper knockoffs. ;)
 
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