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Again, same arguments recycled from 1080p vs. 720p. No one could resolve 1080p from "average seating distances", etc.

And again, it's as simple as this: Apple rolls out a 4K :apple:TV and those who find "1080p is good enough" (or 720p or SD) can still get their 1080p or 720p or SD exactly as they do now (better hardware can play lessor software to it's max). They can still choose the 1080p or 720p or SD file option in the iTunes store, download it over whatever bandwidth they have as they do now, etc. NOTHING HAS TO CHANGE for such people. Nobody is trying to take something from you or force anything on you. All that 4K hardware brings is something extra to OTHER PEOPLE that cares about getting that something extra.

On the other hand, piling up 1000 arguments against 4K doesn't bring those who want it around. It just EXCLUDES them. Those that want it, want it. Whether they can see the difference... whether they'll care about 32K in the future, whether they sit at average seating distances, whether the internet is upgraded to serve them 4K, etc is all irrelevant. They simply want it. Apple may have just sold them a new iPhone because it shoots 4K and they want their home movies shot that way... and shown at 4K on that new 4K TV they just bought. Apple just gave them iMovie so they can edit that 4K at 4K. Apple just rolled out new 4K iMacs and new models of 5K iMacs on which they might edit their 4K at 4K in FCP X. Apple provides Quicktime in which they can store their 4K at 4K. Apple provides iTunes will will index that 4K they shot. Now, how do they get it from iTunes to that new 4K TV without downscaling it to 1080p then having the TV artificially scale that back up to 4K???

And where were you in all those threads bashing Apple for embracing 4K in all those other products? I don't remember seeing you faulting Apple there.

Retina was spun as the limit of what the human eye can see. But then Apple adopted "Retina HD". Where were you to bash Apple then too? Let me guess, that's different. When Apple rolls out the :apple:TV 5 "now with 4K" I'll keep an eye out or you to show up and rip into Apple for embracing such a useless gimmick that human eyes cannot even see. That probably shows up as soon as next year, when next year's iPads inherit this year's iPhone 4K cameras... or soon thereafter (just like it played out with Apple's adoption of 1080p in the "3").
 
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Isn't a lot of things way more expensive there? Isn't a PlayStation 4 way more expensive there too?

I seem to remember someone saying they flew to the states once a yr just to buy electronics and saved money.
Add 28% onto $149 and see what you get, there's only one maths going on here, greed maths. I can get a Roku here for $99 and an ATV3, how do they jump from $149 to $270.
 
After debating and canceling my order twice lol, decided for the 32GB and noticed I've been charge already. Order around 5 pm too haha. Cutting it close.
 
Again, same arguments recycled from 1080p vs. 720p. No one could resolve 1080p from "average seating distances", etc.


hmm. i don't remember the argument the same as you do. on most forums I frequented early in the HDTV product cycle the argument was 720p vs 1080i, everyone accepted from the beginning that 1080p was superior to both and well within the limits discernible to the human eye.

don't feel too bad though, people pay hundreds of dollars for special wooden knobs for their receivers because they believe that they can hear the difference. people who buy 4k TVs based on marketing or what a still image looks like 3 feet from the set aren't the only fools who buy into hype.
 
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Sorry if this has been posted, but any Aussies in the forums care to enlighten me with what this new "statutory fee" is with Apple? So not only are we getting our normal GST added, but now a new fee of some sort that's worth $43 total. :eek:
 
hmm. i don't remember the argument the same as you do. on most forums I frequented early in the HDTV product cycle the argument was 720p vs 1080i, everyone accepted from the beginning that 1080p was superior to both and well within the limits discernible to the human eye.

Do a search and go read them. It's one of the frustrations I have about this topic because it's the same old stuff recycled with new resolutions. There were very, VERY passionate arguments of how 720p is good enough BEFORE Apple rolled out :apple:TV3. And that was fine, but such passion seems like it should have persisted AFTER the "3" was introduced too. Instead, it's like the whole group just vanished. I expect the same thing here. Else, it seems these same people would be making similarly passionate arguments against it- and thus Apple- in the other threads for many other hardware & software products rolled out by Apple that embrace 4K. Apparently it makes good sense in those other Apple products? Or maybe Apple is always right... even when most of the product mix embraces something but some of it doesn't (yet)?
 
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Understood.

Though I wouldn't be surprised at all if one morning we woke up to find our Apple TVs had updated software to enable the hardware to run 4K.

I hope you are right. But this is Apple. I think 4K comes in a new generation "5" so they can sell us again. The "3" was basically just the "2" with 1080p playback capabilities. The "5" will probably just be the "4" with 4K. Cha-ching!
 
Add 28% onto $149 and see what you get, there's only one maths going on here, greed maths. I can get a Roku here for $99 and an ATV3, how do they jump from $149 to $270.
Guess my point was the PS4 was almost $200 USD more in Australia if I recall correctly when it debuted.

Regardless I'm not here to debate Apple tax but to point out Austrailia is an expensive place to buy electronics imported into the country.
 
Just ordered the 64Gb. I figured this is a device that Apple will not update that often and should therefore have a lifespan of a couple of years. I expect some near-console level quality games to be issued that take up some space. It would be brilliant to get something like No Man's Sky on the Apple TV.

I fully expect some of the large game houses to dip their toes in this new platform and see how it goes.

I fully agree. It may take a few years but it would be nice to see AppleTV gain traction and become listed as a platform for major games alongside Xbox and Playstation and take over that kind of third place of Nintendo (while it somewhat falters at the moment).
 
Ordered the 64GB one Monday morning, but I'm a little worried about network speed in the TV room - might need to buy a booster or something. Since I was already in the online store I broke down and also bought the Magic Trackpad 2 - pretty expensive, but no regrets yet:)
 
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Can someone enlighten me what is "statutory fee"?

Is that the new Netflix tax?

Much larger % markup than any of the computers - we're paying basically the same as the US for the new iMacs and stuff. Something is going on here.
 
Ordered mine this morning, went the 64gb in the end.

I'm in Australia, I would be interested to know what other fees it is they think they are charging there, i didn't see that when i ordered!

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Sorry if this has been posted, but any Aussies in the forums care to enlighten me with what this new "statutory fee" is with Apple? So not only are we getting our normal GST added, but now a new fee of some sort that's worth $43 total. :eek:
 
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thanks. I'll look into this tonight. Do you know if there are any limitations? In otherwords, will I have issues with maintaining 5.1 surround sound or will it be 2 channel?
Sorry for the late reply. It will maintain 5.1 surround, using the remote you can switch between 5.1 and downmix to 2 channel.
 
Ordered the 64GB then cancelled when I found out it no longer has Toslink optical output. A major mistake I think. I use the Apple TV with a projector ( the Apple TV's small form factor making it perfect to mount close to the projector with a short HDMI cable ) and use a long optical cable to my AV amp. The optical cable is thinner than HDMI and takes long distances more easily, as well being easier to route along walls and hidden in coving.

I don't have, nor need, HDMI switching as Apple TV is the only input to the projector. Was looking forward to the upgrade, but now I can't use it as I will lose sound. I'm not going to buy a new amp with HDMI switching solely to run the new Apple TV.

Lots of other choices to watch Hulu and Netflix though, so I guess this is where I start to climb out of Apple's eco-system. Sorry Apple. Farewell and good luck.

I will also miss the optical out as I had it plugged into my Zeppelin air for audio while using it. Now I'll have to in mount my tv from the wall to route the optical cable from my Zeppelin air to the back of the tv.

I think Apple intends all Apple TV users to actually be using a tv and not a projector.
 
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Sorry if this has been posted, but any Aussies in the forums care to enlighten me with what this new "statutory fee" is with Apple? So not only are we getting our normal GST added, but now a new fee of some sort that's worth $43 total. :eek:

So i gave them a call on the sales number, no clear answer, one suggestion was something along the lines of subscription fee ie netflix, but i said that cant be right since you dont need that to use the ATV.

Rightly though once you actually add the appletv to the cart it shows the correct amount of GST, so maybe its just a plain old typo.
 
Ordered the 64GB then cancelled when I found out it no longer has Toslink optical output. A major mistake I think. I use the Apple TV with a projector ( the Apple TV's small form factor making it perfect to mount close to the projector with a short HDMI cable ) and use a long optical cable to my AV amp. The optical cable is thinner than HDMI and takes long distances more easily, as well being easier to route along walls and hidden in coving.

I don't have, nor need, HDMI switching as Apple TV is the only input to the projector. Was looking forward to the upgrade, but now I can't use it as I will lose sound. I'm not going to buy a new amp with HDMI switching solely to run the new Apple TV.

Lots of other choices to watch Hulu and Netflix though, so I guess this is where I start to climb out of Apple's eco-system. Sorry Apple. Farewell and good luck.

Toslink doesn't support higher bandwidth audio and as such has been dropped by Apple, it's HDMI going forward so you would be best to hook the projector up to the amp via HDMI or probably replace your amp at some point if it can't do this. Don't expect many streaming boxes to support optical going forward as its a waste of space if you have HDMI. You also get HDMI splitters which breakout to optical although they can an a bit of latency.

I've ordered mine in Switzerland and I was quite annoyed to find out about this restriction. I'm hoping it will be a software update away... I'm reassured to at least see here: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/17228 that an Apple employee has specified it is the exact same hardware that will be shipped, so fingers crossed!

The functionality should be set by region, so just change it to one supporting Siri.
 

These guys really don't know why the remote has IR transmitter and the Apple TV has an IR receiver? Apparently they haven't done their homework, what a shame.

They also complained about how Siri didn't work well but shouldn't they have waited till they have an actual unit running the latest software before they reviewed it? Also Siri works using the Internet so it's possible since the product hasn't been released yet Apple Siri servers are not 100% functional. Who knows. I think they should've waited to review this or at least revisit and update the review sometime next week when the final release software is out with the App Store and everything else.
 
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