Really? I'd say in a couple of years that should be the same price range for their laptops and even iPhones LOLWhy is this even news...
Very...VERY few people here on MR are in the market for this if any at those prices.
And then those prices
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Apple Begins Selling LumaForge Shared Servers With Up to 200TB Storage and Prices Up to $50,000
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This is a third party storage solution designed for media specifically, it runs a modified ZFS.
These prices seem exorbitant.
I've built a similar home backup server for $1700, Dual 10core Xeon, 32gb ECC ram, 32TB + Parity Protected Array and throw in a 10gbe or SFP+ port for $100 more.
If these are WD Blacks (7200rpm) they are $179 for 4TB*8 = 32TB, $1,432.
For $12,000 I would expect an all-ssd machine.
Individual SSDs this past black friday are now below $150 per 1TB. $150*32 = 4,800.
Throw in an optane 905P for $1,200 for a cache disk and you've got an insane local SAN.
Then again is the software worth doubling the margin?
I've built a similar home backup server for $1700, Dual 10core Xeon, 32gb ECC ram, 32TB + Parity Protected Array and throw in a 10gbe or SFP+ port for $100 more.
If these are WD Blacks (7200rpm) they are $179 for 4TB*8 = 32TB, $1,432.
For $12,000 I would expect an all-ssd machine.
Individual SSDs this past black friday are now below $150 per 1TB. $150*32 = 4,800.
Throw in an optane 905P for $1,200 for a cache disk and you've got an insane local SAN.
Then again is the software worth doubling the margin?
Then again, they're probably not using consumer-grade drives, but higher quality drives that could handle higher & longer levels of reads/writes. Plus, have a higher MTBF
What drives? If you go WD Black their cost is $40/TB or even the WD Re is $22/TB. At this price point I would expect Enterprise level SSDs.
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Seriously! Unless it’s than new Raid 500 that just made up."32GB for $11,995.95"
That has to be incorrect.
Of course not. They simply left the market for so long that it is a surprise.Have you forgotten these?
Pointless for enterprise, just buy the PowerEdge R740xd2 for half the price, or the Apollo 4200 and use it exactly the same as one would with this overprices device, and you get a better SLA deal. Or just buy a tower with 3.5" drives if you really would need a tower.
And for small SMB:s and highend hobbyist just build it yourself for cheap.
Why would anyone buy this over any other offering on the market?
And for small SMB:s and highend hobbyist just build it yourself for cheap.
Why would anyone buy this over any other offering on the market?
I work as a colorist, a terabyte is nothing these days. If you work with RED Helium footage, Phantom Flex, or ARRI RAW, you can easily fill up 20TB on a feature or 6-7 episodes of TV. As a consumer, its hard to imagine filling that much space, but at our business we go through 8TB a month in archive, 4-6 in working projects, then any features or tv shows are much much more (And we are a small shop). Then you have to remember that each of those should be backed up, so you double or triple that.
At the studio I was responsible for 8 years ago we recorded about 1.6 TB of DVC Pro HD content per 8 hour day (50GB per hour times 4 cameras). This does not include audio. The studio ran 6 days per week often for 10 or 12 hours per day. Each program took several weeks to record and we had a dozen or so editors working from the SAN editing the programs with the intent to complete production before we ran out of storage. Which we often did and had to archive material off the SAN before its time.
These storage numbers seem kind of low to me considering 4K content. We paid 4 to 6 times these prices for our SAN. These seem like a good deal, for the purpose intended.
Software and support is where the money is with stuff like this, Drobo, Synology, etc. Although in comparison to the other two this is an expensive solution. It appears to be purpose-built for video work which explains the premium.
Sure why not? You realize that Apple must find new sources of revenue…. since reliance on iPhone sales is no longer a reliable strategy. The year 2018 proved that already, and it battered their AAPL stock value.
The product descriptions for all 3 Jellyfish mentions 4.4 GB/sec "available bandwidth". Does it mean it can sustain 4.4 GB/sec for large file reads and writes?
I wonder what's inside these boxes. Are they all SSDs? That would partly explain astronomical price tags (aside from managed software).
I wonder what's inside these boxes. Are they all SSDs? That would partly explain astronomical price tags (aside from managed software).
Hobbyists don't understand that DIY solutions don't work when money is on the line.
I know..I know, that's why the wink was there.
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An honestly, these are good prices if you are in the market for what this does in particular. Like some other folks have said, these kind of things used to be much more expensive. I think, however, a more inexpensive option for small shops is QNAP, where you can spend 5-8k and have the same features over THUNDERBOLT.
When you are a media company with hundreds of employees, dozens of artists, a 24/7 AC Machine room, then you pick up a dozen of these things without blinking. For a small shop, one of these is a good deal, but like I said, I think QNAP is more appealing with thunderbolt AND 10ge.
If you ever do multiple direct camera (professional applications) to disk in HD then you'll realize how silly this idea is. Simultaneous recording and editing shared HD content cannot even use regular switches. The requirements for streaming live content to disk puts any PowerEdge quivering and falling all over itself in very little time.
Edited: to change routers to switches. Thanks for pointing that out.
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They only reference HDD and harddrives on their website, if there was any flash in there they most definitely would use it in their marketing.
Yet HP and Dell use their servers for live events all the time. Stop pulling stuff out of your *ss. No point in replying if you have no idea what you are talking about.
"editing shared HD content cannot even use regular routers"
First of all, you would not edit over routers, you would use switches. Secondly, regular switches have absolutely no issues with editing over the network, thats what everyone use. This appliance is marketed for fairly small teams, its ment to work with off the shelf network devices like switches (that everyone already use)
You obviously have no knowledge what an 740xd2 or an Apollo 4200 is if you think this little Lumaforge box is faster than those....
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Also, time. If you have budget and time there's plenty of cheaper off the shelf solutions. But in media, a lot of times you don't have the time to spec out a proper server for a project, you have tight deadlines to meet. That's why a product like this exists. Media people can run out, expense it, and be up and running in no time flat. That's harder to do with Enterprise server offerings if server administration isn't in your wheelhouse.
Try shooting with a REDone or Blackmagic 4K RAW - you will be lucky to get an hour of RAW Cinema DNG per TB, and that is before you edit or even render a single frame.
This is obviously meant for high end professional production use, not as a Time Machine for a MacBookAir.
1TB is barely enough to work on a 30 second title sequence for a 4K Netflix show.