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That's about inline with what Apple charges.

These storage volumes sound kind of insane to me. Isn't a TB good for hundreds of hours of raw footage? What are you working on where you need immediate access to tens of thousands of hours of raw footage?

I'm under the impression that there's another, cheaper solution for archiving petabytes of stuff just for incase, where being able to have dozens of people access it is... not a requirement.
32TB would last me 3 months at my job. We shoot TV commercials and a one day shoot with only a few hours of footage can be a TB. All video is not created equal, high-end cameras shoot with very high bitrate codecs that take up a lot of space.
 
The hardware is nothing unique, all hardware can be setup to serve content and workflow like these, there is no special hardware in what LumaForge offers, they use hardware that anyone can buy from any computer retailer.


Again, nothing unique for LumaForge (or anyone who claim to sell hardware tailormaid for NLE workflows), DaVinci Resolve Project Server, Open Storage and bin locking can be installed on any hardware/server/storage system, takes 1 second, no need to pay a 30'000USD markup for something that is included in the software that "you" use anyway.


Why do i only have a choice of comparing LumaForge with other overpriced solution instead of real enterprise offering with actual SLA offerings for half or the price? Which also have higher performance.


If you can't setup DaVinci (which is what you exemplified) yourself you should probably not handle storage anyway, not even the LumaForge boxes.


People who make film and movies for television and for studios use actual enterprise products with real SLA, but yeah, good luck with your LumaForge tower that will render "your" whole business useless if the one and only PSU (a consumer oriented Cooler Master PSU that isn't even rated for 24/7 use) stops working
Can you give an example of something that offers this functionality at a much lower price? Every storage system I've used in my 15 years as a video editor has been very expensive. QNAP is probably the cheapest I've seen.
 
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Asset management and team workflow are onsite/cloud-based services that Apple could certainly leverage. I'm fine with them blessing third-party storage solutions like Jellyfish (shout out to Lumaforge, a great company and Apple champion), and perhaps they can offer integrated asset storage retrieval like they once did with Final Cut Server. Yes, they left their FCP Server users holding the bag with the transition to FCPX, but enough time has passed and if they truly care about pro workflow, this is a space that competitors are inhabiting that could use some serious TLC for Mac Logic, FCP and other pro app users.
 
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That's about inline with what Apple charges.

These storage volumes sound kind of insane to me. Isn't a TB good for hundreds of hours of raw footage? What are you working on where you need immediate access to tens of thousands of hours of raw footage?

I'm under the impression that there's another, cheaper solution for archiving petabytes of stuff just for incase, where being able to have dozens of people access it is... not a requirement.

Raw footage these days is no longer counted with megabytes these days. Even 4k footage coming out of an iPhone will be hundreds of MBs per minute. At 4K 30 fps, 1 TB can hold just over 40 hours of footage shot with an iPhone. With professional grade footage at much high quality video and audio (not to mention backups), you can blow through 1TB very quickly. It's not unusual for one minute to be just under 10GBs, which means only 1.5 hours of footage per TB.
 
They only reference HDD and harddrives on their website, if there was any flash in there they most definitely would use it in their marketing.


Yet HP and Dell use their servers for live events all the time. Stop pulling stuff out of your *ss. No point in replying if you have no idea what you are talking about.

"editing shared HD content cannot even use regular routers"
First of all, you would not edit over routers, you would use switches. Secondly, regular switches have absolutely no issues with editing over the network, thats what everyone use. This appliance is marketed for fairly small teams, its ment to work with off the shelf network devices like switches (that everyone already use)

You obviously have no knowledge what an 740xd2 or an Apollo 4200 is if you think this little Lumaforge box is faster than those....

Well yes, I meant switches, not sure how that snuck in. But all the rest is been there done that. I don't know if these Lumaforge boxes work, but just saying get a few SSDs in a standard PowerEdge server will do the job is pure bunk. That is the comment that I was responding too.

Finally, the switches do matter a great deal when doing live capture of multiple sync'd HD cameras. In this case regular switches can be problematic unless they are designed correctly, most are not. Doing sustained multiple HD video GB data transfers for hours at a time with no break will melt (figuratively, not literally) a lot or switches. Again responding to whoever said that 150 to 200 TB was way more than needed. Its really not in some circumstances.
 
How about Apple outsource the Mac Pro already.

Highly doubtful. The writing on the wall at this point clearly says to me that Apple is all about controlling compute only (Mac Pro included), and letting others deal with the shared resources (ie: network with retirement of AirPort, and storage with retirement of xServe, and even Server software with recent sunsetting of support for various components of macOS Server that now points customers to open source alternatives.)
 
This a Linux based shared storage for video editors.
It's not only space but speed you need.
Imagine 10 editors cutting 4k, 6k and 8k footage from the same storage - each needing sustained 1GB/s read speeds.
These guys are very good and very expensive. They are the US equivalent of GBLabs from the UK (who Aardman Productions use)
 
Apple moving into the server market?! What have we come to ...
After first discontinuing Xserve RAID, Xserve, Mac OS X Server, then deprecating Server.app, nah... Apple likes to leave server software / hardware over to 3rd parties.
Apple don't even offer their own cloud-based MDM solution. They rely on 3rd parties even for that (JAMF, Microsoft, VMware)

This kind of storage solutions are to support Xsan: i.e. a smart and very fast large storage solution for being able to collaborate with huge data files (i.e. FCP etc.).

It's more of an upgrade over the old Promise solutions.
 
I guess if you have a completely unskilled IT department that doesn't know how to build a RAID system these are fine but wow, you really pay the price for that lack of skill. Only 32TB for 12k is insane. I've personally built a 16TB system for around 1200 and could easily build a 32TB for not much more.
 
This is a forbode for the new MacPro starting at $59.999 with 512 gb ssd soldered on board.
 
I guess if you have a completely unskilled IT department that doesn't know how to build a RAID system these are fine but wow, you really pay the price for that lack of skill. Only 32TB for 12k is insane. I've personally built a 16TB system for around 1200 and could easily build a 32TB for not much more.
A local RAID would be way cheaper. The difference between a Jellyfish and a RAID is that this is networked with 10Gb ethernet, actually delivers the speeds quoted, to multiple users at once, and it works well with all the NLEs out there, including FCP X. Most other workgroup video storage solutions don't play well with FCP X due to its constant writing of small files, but the Jellyfish has been proven to work at the network TV level. Links: http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...inal-cut-pro-x-in-national-network-operations and http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...nal-cut-pro-x-and-a-lumaforge-jellyfish-again

I've met the (very nice) people behind the company at NAB and the FCP X Creative Summit several times over the past few years, and nobody has a bad word to say about them or their products.
 
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A local RAID would be way cheaper. The difference between a Jellyfish and a RAID is that this is networked with 10Gb ethernet, actually delivers the speeds quoted, to multiple users at once, and it works well with all the NLEs out there, including FCP X. Most other workgroup video storage solutions don't play well with FCP X due to its constant writing of small files, but the Jellyfish has been proven to work at the network TV level. Links: http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...inal-cut-pro-x-in-national-network-operations and http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...nal-cut-pro-x-and-a-lumaforge-jellyfish-again

I've met the (very nice) people behind the company at NAB and the FCP X Creative Summit several times over the past few years, and nobody has a bad word to say about them or their products.


Oh I don't doubt the character of the people behind the product, I'm sure they're nice people. Thanks for the link I think I understand the target market a bit better now, this isn't for hosting the entire office server but more for a smaller specialized group with performance requirements. Makes sense for a working server, then you can offload the complete files to a local RAID or cloud server.
 
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