Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]

Ladybug said:
According to CNBC there are now 8 lawsuits on this throttling issue plus Israel. Things are about to get interesting as other countries weigh in.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/27/apple-faces-lawsuits-after-saying-it-slows-down-aging-iphones.html
Click to expand...

"Apple defrauded iPhone users by slowing devices without warning to compensate for poor battery performance, according to eight lawsuits filed in various federal courts in the week since the company opened up about the year-old software change.

The tweak may have led iPhone owners to misguided attempts to resolve issues over the last year, the lawsuits contend."

Excellent wording. Love it, bring it on.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AstonSmith, Altis, stepandy and 2 others
Ladybug said:
According to CNBC there are now 8 lawsuits on this throttling issue plus Israel. Things are about to get interesting as other countries weigh in.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/27/apple-faces-lawsuits-after-saying-it-slows-down-aging-iphones.html
Click to expand...

I am curious to see how European Union handles this. I know America as a government would do nothing.

Deco874 said:
Other tech companies have been doing this for YEARS. this is not surprising. This is SOP. Sue them, good luck people.
Click to expand...

I keep hearing this, but do you have proof? Or is it part of 'I got caught, but everyone does it' defense?
 
  • Like
Reactions: stepandy and Ladybug
deferredAnon said:
I am curious to see how European Union handles this. I know America as a government would do nothing.
Click to expand...

I will not elaborate more since it belongs to PRSI, but there is no love lost between the POTUS and Silicon Valley's tech titans..
 
ferrous said:
All three lawsuits allege that Apple slowed down iPhones in an effort to get customers to upgrade to new devices.

If this is true, I will NEVER buy iPhone again. And that goes for my husband and my family. All the money I spent for a company that purposely does it so you spent more on their product? This is so wrong, so ethically wrong!
Click to expand...

Apple is ethically very wrong for sure. For court case Apple may gets away from it since Apple is so rich.
 
My opinion on the matter is that Apple should not have forced this "feature" on customers without letting them know what was happening. Also they should have given this feature an on/off switch so that people can choose for themselves. Where Apple gets itself into trouble is limiting user choice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: crjackson2134 and stepandy
ferrous said:
All three lawsuits allege that Apple slowed down iPhones in an effort to get customers to upgrade to new devices.

If this is true, I will NEVER buy iPhone again. And that goes for my husband and my family. All the money I spent for a company that purposely does it so you spent more on their product? This is so wrong, so ethically wrong!
Click to expand...

If you cannot come to your own conclusion based on what you've seen so far, then the lawsuit is not going to help you. The most likely outcome will be a settlement. Apple will be discharged in exchange for $$ to the plaintiffs.

That doesn't mean they didn't do anything malicious though.
[doublepost=1514429515][/doublepost]
s15119 said:
The planned obsolescence conspiracy theory has always been straight up nonsense.
Click to expand...

Here we go....
 
Is anyone familiar with the technical details of battery degradation and what are the expected results--should it only be reduced battery capacity? My iPhone 6 suffered from shutdowns at 40% battery, which were fixed from the throttle update. Installing and checking a battery app, my degradation was at 55%, so this would have been equivalent to about 22% battery life for a brand new battery (.4 * .55 = .22). However, my phone when brand new did not shutdown when the battery was down to 22%, so I'm curious what exactly is different about the battery when it has aged--bad battery or component selection by Apple or normal for any Li-ion battery?
 
mindsaspire said:
Is anyone familiar with the technical details of battery degradation and what are the expected results--should it only be reduced battery capacity? My iPhone 6 suffered from shutdowns at 40% battery, which were fixed from the throttle update. Installing and checking a battery app, my degradation was at 55%, so this would have been equivalent to about 22% battery life for a brand new battery (.4 * .55 = .22). However, my phone when brand new did not shutdown when the battery was down to 22%, so I'm curious what exactly is different about the battery when it has aged--bad battery or component selection by Apple or normal for any Li-ion battery?
Click to expand...

I found this about Samsung's batteries:

"typical year’s worth of charges and discharges, the Galaxy S7 only maintained about 80 percent of its total effective battery capacity” whereas the Galaxy S8 and S8 Plus will retain 95 percent over the same period with the same usage."

Note the period mentioned above is about 2 years.

C8GKs72VUAAYlov.jpg:large


I guess one question is, does the iPhone X use this type of better quality battery, and also, why didn't Apple innovate earlier than Samsung in terms of battery quality.
 
the slowdowns and lags is even more noticeable in ios 11 they did this intentionally apple needs to be sued yes they deserve it for hurting our devices
[doublepost=1514434936][/doublepost]apple slowdown your older iphone to reduce the speed drastically and render the device useless
 
  • Like
Reactions: 617660
chatin said:
About time. What they are doing is highly unethical. Their involvement with my property stops after payment.
Click to expand...

You wore out your battery and need to do something else besides be glued to a phone he he...

japanime said:
It always amazes me at how people are so willing to take the side of massive corporations over individual consumers.

Anyway, my own experience with iOS 11 is that it has absolutely destroyed the performance of my iPhone 5s, which was humming right along before the update.
Click to expand...

I haven’t done any Autodesk renders lately on my iPhone he he... I think your network speed is slower than the actual execution of a process in the phone itself.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
bashman2020 said:
the slowdowns and lags is even more noticeable in ios 11 they did this intentionally apple needs to be sued yes they deserve it for hurting our devices
[doublepost=1514434936][/doublepost]apple slowdown your older iphone to reduce the speed drastically and render the device useless
Click to expand...

This simply means Apple feels a greater need to protect your device from unexpected shutdown. Aren't you grateful that Apple took good care of your user experience this way? :D:D:D
 
Last edited:
People on here: Planned Obselesence
People from Android Central: It makes sense, but they should have told people
 
macsforever said:
I haven’t done any Autodesk renders lately on my iPhone he he... I think your network speed is slower than the actual execution of a process in the phone itself.
Click to expand...

I don't think my network speed slows down the device to 5 seconds in order to open the mail app. It certainly didn't do that when the phone was brand new.


Hmmm, I wonder what it could be...it certainly has to do with network speed, doesn't it?:rolleyes:
 
deferredAnon said:
Batteries don't produce high voltage, they store it. Lame iApology!



I have seen speed decrease on my iPad mini 2 after the latest iOS update. So, I am guessing it applies to every mobile device from Apple.
Click to expand...
I ran Geekbench and there's no apparent throttling. But iOS 11 killed the iPad mini 2, on that we can agree.
 
ferrous said:
All three lawsuits allege that Apple slowed down iPhones in an effort to get customers to upgrade to new devices.

If this is true, I will NEVER buy iPhone again. And that goes for my husband and my family. All the money I spent for a company that purposely does it so you spent more on their product? This is so wrong, so ethically wrong!
Click to expand...

This is where lawyers might have gotten it wrong

I still want to believe Apple did have to under clock iphones to cover up a design flaw (bad enough) but not, primarily, to sell new devices

This would just be a convenient consequence, you know

Still wrong, of course


Now, independently from what I want to believe, in a lawsuit you’ve got to prove your claim

And it would be challenging to prove there has been a certain sales goal behind all of this, wouldn’t it

Providing proof for a direct correlation between the alleged design flaw and the slow down should be far more feasible and this is where things should be heading imo
 
I7guy said:
Geekbench studies have proved otherwise. my 5s came with ios 7. ios 11 is every bit better than ios 7. I can't say ios 11 slowed my 5s down. My year old iphone 7 is not slowed down on ios 11. There may be some exceptions but it is not a rule of thumb as they say.
Click to expand...

To be fair, iOS 7 ran really, really poorly. :p

As iOS gets updated, it uses more and more resources and processes.

There are countless "iOS ___ killed my ___" all over the place. Some common ones are "iOS 7 killed my iPhone 4", "iOS 11 killed my iPhone 6", etc.

I won't go as far to say that Apple does that deliberately, but I don't think they do much to make it lean and efficient to prevent slowdowns. I also don't think the added features account for the amount that some devices slow down (ie. what changed to make Messages, Music, Mail, etc open so much slower than they used to?).

The throttling compounded the issue as it was generally accompanied by an iOS update that included the code.
 
deferredAnon said:
I am curious to see how European Union handles this. I know America as a government would do nothing.
Click to expand...

Once They finished regulating spaghetti length and maximum admissible rise corn diameter you bet they will do something about this one too

They love regulating all kinds of things
[doublepost=1514437437][/doublepost]
I7guy said:
Apple does not slow down phones.
Click to expand...

Hey Siri, is that you ?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bacillus
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back