Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]

[aristobrat]

My iPhone 6 was perfectly fine until immediately after iOS 11 update. So don’t BS me about some fictional shutting down cause battery degraded.
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My iPhone 6 worked perfectly fine until immediately after the update iOS 11. Sorry. I call BS.

The iPhone 6 was throttled back in iOS 10, according to Apple’s statement on the matter.
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My friend mentioned that her iphone 7 had slowed after the update, which if it is for the same reason, then that is pretty poor to have such reduced usability after 1 year.

People post about new iOS releases slowing down their old phones every single time a new iOS is released.

Every. Single. Time.

That’s been a conspiracy for almost a decade now.

 

[I7guy]

Once They finished regulating spaghetti length and maximum admissible rise corn diameter you bet they will do something about this one too

They love regulating all kinds of things
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Hey Siri, is that you ?

It’s Alexa.
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Yep. It is a cover-up for bad design.
Plain and simple.

You have to give it to Apple, their command of doublespeak is breathtakingly.

"It is a feature!"

And users here defend it.

Unbelievable

Aww. It seems you don’t like it when Apple customers have a different point of view than yourself.

 

[Radon87000]

Yep. It is a cover-up for bad design.
Plain and simple.

You have to give it to Apple, their command of doublespeak is breathtakingly.

"It is a feature!"

And users here defend it.

Unbelievable

Apple could make the iPhone 5s explode after its discontinued due to security reasons and fans will still justify it.

 

[neverloyal]

The iPhone 6 was throttled back in iOS 10, according to Apple’s statement on the matter.
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People post about new iOS releases slowing down their old phones every single time a new iOS is released.

Every. Single. Time.

That’s been a conspiracy for almost a decade now.

I assumed that was just due to ios having more features so natural slowdown. My 6s however was an off the cliff drop in usability, not just feeling a little slower. That was my first iphone so I assumed that was normal, until hearing about what apple were doing.

My main problem is that they have applied the throttle too widely and without a user option.

 

[I7guy]

Apple could make the iPhone 5s explode after its discontinued due to security reasons and fans will still justify it.

Not a lick of hyperbole in this post.

 

[aliensporebomb]

Not at all.

Why are people surprised their three year old device has diminishing battery capacity?
You're charging the thing probably more than once a day, everyday and it's going to diminish.

Multiple users are reporting "hey, my battery was replaced and everything is good again!"
Why not do a geekbench run prior to replacement and after?
The numbers should be pretty obvious.

What if your car was broken down beside the road and you're on a cold night and there's nowhere near to walk for safety - would you rather have a functioning phone or a phone that the second you tried to dial out it dies?

See? It's a conundrum. You either throttle the thing so it stays functional at a reduced capability or you let it die at full speed.

What was Apple going to do? You keep asking for the mythical unicorn battery that is light, thin, never diminishes in power after two years and lasts 24 hours a day and doesn't require charging except once a week. Doesn't exist. Period.

 

[aristobrat]

I assumed that was just due to ios having more features so natural slowdown. My 6s however was an off the cliff drop in usability, not just feeling a little slower. That was my first iphone so I assumed that was normal, until hearing about what apple were doing.

My main problem is that they have applied the throttle too widely and without a user option.

I think the user option is great (to make folks happy), but their statement said that they only apply throttling in instances where not having applied it would cause an unexpected shutdown.

If that’s the case, then it doesn’t sound like it’s being applied too widely?

It’d be great if they had an icon at the top of the screen that showed when throttling happens. Then it’d be clear when slowness is due to that, or something else.

 

[Martyimac]

I assumed that was just due to ios having more features so natural slowdown. My 6s however was an off the cliff drop in usability, not just feeling a little slower. That was my first iphone so I assumed that was normal, until hearing about what apple were doing.

My main problem is that they have applied the throttle too widely and without a user option.

As much as it pains me, i agree with this user. Months ago when iOS 11 came out, threads started appearing about how everything stuttered. Button push results were delayed, responsiveness to touches were delayed, etc etc. At first I didn't believe them, even posted as much. This was long before the battery issues come to the front.
But over time I have come to believe that  did in fact program in a slowdown in how my 6S operates. Was it CPU throttling due to battery issues? I now think that is exactly what  was doing. My battery over almost 2 years is down to 90% health after only 82 charging cycles, yes I am a light user, I can go 3-4 days before charging, sometimes even 5 days.
Also, has anybody noticed in the X related threads how some folks have talked about how hot their X became while using it? That's a clue.
I won't sit here and tell you everything that is going on. I'm not that knowledgeable. But I do know something is up and hope over time that we will find out and  will fix it.
And before everybody asks, yes I intend to stay in the  ecosystem. But it's going to be a while before I upgrade. I have an SE in reserve if my 6S ever actually dies.

 

[neverloyal]

I think the user option is great (to make folks happy), but their statement said that they only apply throttling in instances where not having applied it would cause an unexpected shutdown.

If that’s the case, then it doesn’t sound like it’s being applied too widely?

Based on my experience that is not true, i had a massive drop in usability after updating. Before i had so few shutdowns over the 2 years as to not notice. Pretty much every time my phone would get down to 1% and feel as quick as when i bought it. That was until i reached 11.x I know apple said 10.2 or whatever, but I know for me it was 11.

Gradual performance decrease is expected, not an overnight cliff edge. Especially when it is intentional to hide another problem, which apple had to admit after the fact.

Up until that point, the 6s had been one of my favourite phones (coming from an android fan) i had owned.

 

[youdontsay]

https://translate.google.fr/transla...a-batterie-de-liphone.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

[Archer1440]

Countdown to the articles pointing out that Android phones have been doing the same exact thing in 5...4...3...

 

[ChrisChaval]

Not at all.

Why are people surprised their three year old device has diminishing battery capacity?
You're charging the thing probably more than once a day, everyday and it's going to diminish.

Multiple users are reporting "hey, my battery was replaced and everything is good again!"
Why not do a geekbench run prior to replacement and after?
The numbers should be pretty obvious.

What if your car was broken down beside the road and you're on a cold night and there's nowhere near to walk for safety - would you rather have a functioning phone or a phone that the second you tried to dial out it dies?

See? It's a conundrum. You either throttle the thing so it stays functional at a reduced capability or you let it die at full speed.

What was Apple going to do? You keep asking for the mythical unicorn battery that is light, thin, never diminishes in power after two years and lasts 24 hours a day and doesn't require charging except once a week. Doesn't exist. Period.

You’re not only missing the point , you’re missing so many points that I lost track of counting them lol

For enlightenment please refer to the previous 3k posts or to this article:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4133931-apple-wanted-know-iphone-throttling-scandal

 

[Puddled]

https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http://consomac.fr/news-7820-un-proces-en-france-pour-la-batterie-de-liphone.html&edit-text=&act=url

At which point do the Apple apologists start to feel silly?

 

[I7guy]

At which point do the Apple apologists start to feel silly?

What is really silly is posts like this, that add nothing to the conversation and tries to paint a broad stroke brush on some people who feel differently about a topic than you. Unfortunately this type of discourse (or lack thereof) seems to be the new norm.

 

[hugo7]

Had to register to post on this.
Im normally someone who likes to buy flagship and keep for 2/3 years. I was very happy to keep the 6s for another year and if it wasnt for the sudden complete drop in day to day use I would have kept it.

Thank you for your post. This is exactly the overnight experience change which is unforgivable. I've not had the issue personally (I typically wait 6 months before upgrading to a iOS x.0 release), but it's frustrating to witness situations like yours and Apple defenders saying "nothing to see here, I'm not having any issues".

There's always been a damn "slowness" problem and now it's very ugly.

 

[Puddled]

What is really silly is posts like this, that add nothing to the conversation and tries to paint a broad stroke brush on some people who feel differently about a topic than you. Unfortunately this type of discourse (or lack thereof) seems to be the new norm.

Difficult to discuss topics with users who are utterly blind to facts and whom are unwilling to acknowledge even the slightest point from the other side of (what becomes) an argument.

It is like trying to herd cats. It is impossible and spoils not only the thread but the site as well as these apologists pop up in any and every thread where there is even a sniff of dissent with regards to apple.

The white knighting is forum sabotage. What starts off as an attempt to discuss and investigate issues and problems gets turned a "they did! - no they didn't-yes they did"
Pantomime.

Some users are particularly guilty of this.....

 

[I7guy]

Difficult to discuss topics with users who are utterly blind to facts and whom are unwilling to acknowledge even the slightest point from the other side of (what becomes) an argument.

It is like trying to herd cats. It is impossible and spoils not only the thread but the site as well as these apologists pop up in any and every thread where there is even a sniff of dissent with regards to apple.

The white knighting is forum sabotage. What starts off as an attempt to discuss and investigate issues and problems gets turned a "they did! - no they didn't-yes they did"
Pantomime.

Some users are particularly guilty of this.....

I feel like you, some of these discussions are like trying to herd cats, because the "fanatics" (I bolded some words to show where the bias might be) refuse to believe there might be an alternative viewpoint.

Nobody is debating the power management updates that's a given. Its the general tone of the discussion which mostly is arguing and the general pejorative nature and those attempting to not see any viewpoint other than their own.

 

[Martyimac]

You’re not only missing the point , you’re missing so many points that I lost track of counting them lol

For enlightenment please refer to the previous 3k posts or to this article:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4133931-apple-wanted-know-iphone-throttling-scandal

I would nominate the seekingalpha.com article for sticky status. A very good, logical layout of what is happening.

 

[Puddled]

I feel like you, some of these discussions are like trying to herd cats, because the "fanatics" (I bolded some words to show where the bias might be) refuse to believe there might be an alternative viewpoint.

Nobody is debating the power management updates that's a given. Its the general tone of the discussion which mostly is arguing and the general pejorative nature and those attempting to not see any viewpoint other than their own.

Nobody is debating the power management updates?

You have only just posted, and i quote:

"Apple do not slow down phones"

I"m confused lol

 

[deferredAnon]

https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http://consomac.fr/news-7820-un-proces-en-france-pour-la-batterie-de-liphone.html&edit-text=&act=url

A French activist group has launched a criminal lawsuit against Apple over its policy of slowing down older iPhones in a case that could see the tech giant 's executives jailed and cost it five percent of its income if convicted of the crime of "planned obsolescence".​

 

[Sy7ygy]

Aww. It seems you don’t like it when Apple mugs have a different point of view than yourself.

Fixed.

 

[Puddled]

I would nominate the seekingalpha.com article for sticky status. A very good, logical layout of what is happening.

Here here. A fantastic article.

Unfortunately, both Apple stores and users were oblivious to this throttling. As a result, both often thought that something like a software reset could solve it. When it didn't, the next possible solution was often seen as buying a new device.

 

[ferrous]

This business tactic to force people to buy their new iphones is not very cool... I notice the same goes for my iPads that I have, they are extremely slow and my idea not to upgrade the OS isn't working since they had some issue with keyboard so I needed to upgrade, and now my ipads are like slugs and useless gadgets. If that story is true, I may as well give Apple the middle finger for treating their customers like wallets.

 

[I7guy]

Nobody is debating the power management updates?

You have only just posted, and i quote:

"Apple do not slow down phones"

I"m confused lol

Do these power management updates target specific operating conditions and based on specific operating conditions adjust the operating condition of the phone dynamically? Or did apple just blatantly and automatically apply a 50% reduction in cpu speed to every single phone regardless?

The bolded is a very different statement than saying apple "slows down" phones; which the famous geekbench study disproved.

 

[Puddled]

Do these power management updates target specific operating conditions and based on specific operating conditions adjust the operating condition of the phone dynamically? Or did apple just blatantly and automatically apply a 50% reduction in cpu speed to every single phone regardless?

The bolded is a very different statement than saying apple "slows down" phones; which the famous geekbench study disproved.

You have absolutely no grasp of the issue being discussed in this or the many other threads.

Make a cuppa, read the excellent article posted above and then come back to the discussion without trying to shout those down who understand the problems and wish to discuss them rationally.