Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]

[I7guy]

Then what you are saying is all benchmarks are useless and Tomshardware and Anadtech should close down.

Along with Youtube.

The question of manipulation went flying out of the window when what was reflected in that video happened on the phone. If the video had been manipulated the phone shouldn't have become a paperweight.

When there’s an internet point to be lost casting doubt on a linked source iscthe only way to go. It’s a semi-successful strategy that does backfire. If one thing can be manipulated they all can.

I can't find the link but 2 years ago in China, the Court overturned a verdict of the lower court in Apple's favour a week after Cook visited China. I don't find it a coincidence.

Okay, where’s your proof of causation?

 

[alien3dx]

If ios 12 speeds up an older iphone 5s could that be described as apple 'Purposefully Speeding UP Older iPhone Models'?

Asking for a friend.

Using 5 s now instead of new phone

 

[Radon87000]

Along with Youtube.

But since they haven’t closed down and we have Apple executives tweeting them there must be validity to them.

When there’s an internet point to be lost casting doubt on a linked source iscthe only way to go. It’s a semi-successful strategy that does backfire. If one thing can be manipulated they all can.

Why are you ignoring what I am saying? If the video was manipulated what happened with that phone in the video shouldn’t have happened on my phone. But it did happen. So what does this mean?

Okay, where’s your proof of causation?

The very nature of a bribe is no proof. But that doesn’t mean bribes don’t happen.

 

[I7guy]

But since they haven’t closed down and we have Apple executives tweeting them there must be validity to them.

Geekbench or other benchmark sites are still cited, so there must be validity to them also.

Why are you ignoring what I am saying? If the video was manipulated what happened with that phone in the video shouldn’t have happened on my phone. But it did happen. So what does this mean?

You can have two identical cars with one being a lemon...

The very nature of a bribe is no proof. But that doesn’t mean bribes don’t happen.

That’s not the nature of proofs.

 

[Jmausmuc]

I’m impressed at how they handled this PR desaster

 

[jlc1978]

You misunderstood the meaning of what I said. When I say profit at any cost it includes ruining a perfectly working device if they have to in order to induce upgrades. The “support” you are claiming is exactly what I mean and caused me to never upgrade my devices from the shipped version.

Apple isn't ruining perfectly good devices; as you point out if you do not upgrade you retain the functionality that made it a perfectly good device. I have a number of older devices that are frozen in time simply because they work just fine for what I need and so there is no need to upgrade and run into problems.

 

[antonis]

Apple isn't ruining perfectly good devices; as you point out if you do not upgrade you retain the functionality that made it a perfectly good device. I have a number of older devices that are frozen in time simply because they work just fine for what I need and so there is no need to upgrade and run into problems.

This is not a good advice and definitely not an option. Updates improve your device's security by fixing vulnerabilities, besides fixing any bugs and/or bring unwanted "features". You cannot ignore them even if your device seems to work great. The responsibility is entirely at apple's side regarding of what they do with these updates.

 

[jlc1978]

This is not a good advice and definitely not an option. Updates improve your device's security by fixing vulnerabilities, besides fixing any bugs and/or bring unwanted "features". You cannot ignore them even if your device seems to work great. The responsibility is entirely at apple's side regarding of what they do with these updates.

While I agree updating for security and bug fixes is a good idea, my point was that is unreasonable to expect and older device to perform at the same level it did with its original OS when a much later version is installed. The new OS version in no way impacts the functionality of the version shipped with the device, which is what you paid for. Greater power requirements, memory usage, etc. all can impact performance on older devices and Apple, nor any manufacture for that matter, can't be expected to optimize later versions for older hardware.

 

[kaielement]

It’s funny really when your 1 year old iPhone 7 now stutters severely while playing Mario Run and other games when its battery is still perfectly fine.. something else is going on here.

It's funny when your almost 2 year iphone 7 runs just fine no lag or stutter. Just because you might have an issue does it mean everyone else does .People need to stop over charging their devices. My battery is still at a 92% capacity after 2 years . But then again I don't leave my phone on the charger 24/7.

 

[NewdestinyX]

It's funny when your almost 2 year iphone 7 runs just fine no lag or stutter. Just because you might have an issue does it mean everyone else does .People need to stop over charging their devices. My battery is still at a 92% capacity after 2 years . But then again I don't leave my phone on the charger 24/7.

You don’t have to be overly anal about the 8 hours a night you leave it on charger. Apple intelligently disallows “over”-charging. My 7+ battery is also at 89% capacity after 2 years of moderate to heavy use.. and on charger 8 hours every night.

And battery degradation could never make a Mario game running on your phone - stutter it. That’s not the issue.

 

[kaielement]

You don’t have to be overly anal about the 8 hours a night you leave it on charger. Apple intelligently disallows “over”-charging. My 7+ battery is also at 89% capacity after 2 years of moderate to heavy use.. and on charger 8 hours every night.

And battery degradation could never make a Mario game running on your phone - stutter it. That’s not the issue.

And I bet your battery would be in the 90's if you didn't charge it over night every night just saying.

 

[C DM]

And I bet your battery would be in the 90's if you didn't charge it over night every night just saying.

Or it might not, or might be at something like 91%, which won't really make much of a noticeable difference.

 

[LSteve2]

Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

 

[MRrainer]

Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

I used a 4S until January last year, for almost seven years!
It was not really "perfectly working" anymore, because the battery was run down and anything that required more than the minimum amount of of CPU cycles slowed it down very much.

It's IMO OK to buy a new phone every five or six years, even if it's expensive.

 

[roar08]

Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

Good luck buying an "inexpensive" or even mid-range Android phone that isn't EOL'd in 24 months because the manufacturer and/or carrier won't support future versions of the OS. Your 4S is 9 years old this year, which - right or wrong - is a lifetime in the current consumer technology landscape.

 

[Kabeyun]

Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

Good luck in this life with your absolutist criteria for the lifespan of a smartphone. With the dizzying speed of tech development, growing functional demands, and evolving standards, you want it to work fine after nine years? You think it’s unreasonable to need to upgrade a smartphone nine years later? And so unreasonable that you have no moral option but to bail on the entire company that made it? Wow. Just. Wow. And as a point of reference, nine years is 50% longer than it takes an average American to buy a new car.

Please report back in 2029 how that Android phone you just bought is doing.

 

[danny842003]

Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

im pretty sure you could replace the battery on your 4s with minimal expense.
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Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

im pretty sure you could replace the battery on your 4s with minimal expense.

 

[LSteve2]

I used a 4S until January last year, for almost seven years!
It was not really "perfectly working" anymore, because the battery was run down and anything that required more than the minimum amount of of CPU cycles slowed it down very much.

It's IMO OK to buy a new phone every five or six years, even if it's expensive.

True, the battery is extremely weak, and I have to keep the phone plugged in most of the time, and the APP and phone functions, in general, are slower than it used to be.
But I don't believe Apple not being unable to continue providing updates and support to their older high pay products' customers. This philosophy is wrong, to my beliefs, so I'm dropping this company's products from now on. That's the only thing I can control, and hopefully 25 million, or more, other customers will elect the same path as I do.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, it is sad to have to discard and throw away a perfectly working Iphone 4S. I'd like to join any class action lawsuit against this sad company, but in the meantime, I sure will NEVER BUY AGAIN any APPLE products.
If million of people could do so as well, the world would change. And changes start with 1self...

Tech does not have an unlimited lifetime. I’d like to hear your experiences with other hardware after a few years. In the meantime the 6s is rumored to get a sixth year of updates. However the 32 bit iPhones time was less kind to.

I enjoy my Apple devices and I’m not joining the “never buy Apple crowd again”.

 

[zorinlynx]

My mind is boggling at people still using iPhone 4S in 2019-2020. Just, wow.

And here I thought I was being good by using my iPhone 7 Plus for three years instead of the usual two!

 

[bobob]

My mind is boggling at people still using iPhone 4S in 2019-2020.

4S? Luxury! I'm using a 3G with a broken touchscreen wired to a car battery in a wheellbarrow.

 

[danny842003]

True, the battery is extremely weak, and I have to keep the phone plugged in most of the time, and the APP and phone functions, in general, are slower than it used to be.
But I don't believe Apple not being unable to continue providing updates and support to their older high pay products' customers. This philosophy is wrong, to my beliefs, so I'm dropping this company's products from now on. That's the only thing I can control, and hopefully 25 million, or more, other customers will elect the same path as I do.

good luck finding a tech company which will support hardware longer than Apple does.

 

[VulchR]

My mind is boggling at people still using iPhone 4S in 2019-2020. Just, wow.

And here I thought I was being good by using my iPhone 7 Plus for three years instead of the usual two!

I used my 4S until fall 2019. I like my new XR but the 4S was a good machine. I only upgraded because first the battery and then the replacment battery died. Also, it was not being supported. It is still functional though and I use it in a music system.

 

[JosephAW]

My only complaint is that I can not unlock the carrier on my 4S anymore to use another similar carrier. According to Apple tech they no longer allow carriers to do this.

 

[kwikdeth]

My only complaint is that I can not unlock the carrier on my 4S anymore to use another similar carrier. According to Apple tech they no longer allow carriers to do this.

4S can easily be jailbroken & unlocked at this point. There's a hardware bug in the 4S and iPad2 that can never be fixed which allows this.