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Do we know how Apple implemented it? By time, or battery reduction %?

Not yet, AFAIK. But hopefully some resourceful tech site will examine cycle counts of their test units, and of reader phones, to see if there's a correlation.

Does anyone know where to get the Coconut battery app, btw? For some reason it didn't show up my app store search. Is it there? Or does it only run on a Mac or ??
 
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Not yet, AFAIK. But hopefully some resourceful tech site will examine cycle counts of their test units, and of reader phones, to see if there's a correlation.

Does anyone know where to get the Coconut battery app, btw? For some reason it didn't show up my app store search. Is it there? Or does it only run on a Mac or ??
Runs on MacOS not iOS
 
Which reportedly doesn't seem to be affecting their success at all. Given their growth and overall popularity with some of the latest products, it doesn't seem to be making them fail anymore than you want them to based of your post on a tech forum.

Commercial success is unaffected by Apple's constant slipping in the product excellence department. They used to deliver better products when they weren't a money making behemoth, is all I'm saying. Maybe they need to get hungry again.
 
i feel like a lot people are missing the main problem with this whole thing. Apple says it does this "power management" aka phone killer to prevent automatic shutdowns on older phones. (of which doesn't even work, because my SE shuts down like once a day automatically because of ios 11 when its not going amazingly slow, it even charges slower with ios11) your phone doesnt suffer like that from a Monday to a Tuesday....but the principal here is Apple should not even make an ios that hurts older phones period.(they still sell SE and above on website) and most people have a phone thats 1 year old. (mine is about a year, ive had 1 replacement, mint) Apple should test the ios on all phones and batteries that are still being sold. Then make the fixes and release. this is so ethically unacceptable no matter how you word it. and the fact that they changed the battery cost to $29 is offensive to boot. for starters that should be free, so thats a second slap in the face. they admit it and still want you to pay for it.
 
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Apple yesterday confirmed that it has implemented power management features in older iPhones to improve performance and prevent unexpected shutdowns as the battery in the devices starts to degrade, and this admission has now led to a class action lawsuit, which was first noticed by TMZ.

Los Angeles residents Stefan Bogdanovich and Dakota Speas, represented by Wilshire Law Firm, this morning filed a lawsuit with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California accusing Apple of slowing down their older iPhone models when new models come out.

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According to the lawsuit, Bogdanovich and Speas have owned the iPhone 7 and several older iPhone models and have noticed that their "older iPhone models slows (sic) down when new models come out." The two say they did not consent to have Apple slow down their devices, nor were they able to "choose whether they preferred to have their iPhones slower than normal."

They're seeking both California and Nationwide class action certification, which would cover all persons residing in the United States who have owned iPhone models older than the iPhone 8.

Apple yesterday addressed speculation that it throttles the performance of older iPhones with degraded batteries, confirming that there are power management features in place to attempt to prolong the life of the iPhone and its battery. Apple implemented these features last year in iOS 10.2.1.

When an iPhone's battery health starts to decline, the battery is not capable of supplying enough power to the iPhone in times of peak processor usage, which can lead to shutdowns, Apple says.The lawsuit seemingly misrepresents Apple's original statement and suggests the plaintiffs and their lawyers do not understand Apple's explanation for how iPhone power management features work and why they were implemented, given the lawsuit's suggestion that it's tied to the release of new devices. As explained by Apple, when certain iPhone models hit a peak of processor power, a degraded battery is sometimes unable to provide enough juice, leading to a shutdown. Apple says it "smooths out" these peaks by limiting the power draw from the battery or by spreading power requests over several cycles.

Lithium-ion batteries degrade over time by nature, and this eventual wearing out addressed by the power management features is unrelated to the release of new iPhone models.

Apple does not deny that iPhones with older batteries can sometimes see slower performance, but power management is a feature that Apple says has been implemented to improve overall performance by preventing an iPhone from shutting down completely rather than a feature that's been implemented to force users to upgrade by deliberately slowing devices.

As many people have suggested, Apple has done a poor job of explaining why it has implemented these power management features and how the state of the battery ultimately affects iPhone performance. More transparent information about battery health should be provided, and customers should be better informed when their batteries start to degrade so they can choose whether or not to pay for a replacement. Apple may also need to relax its policies on when customers can pay for a battery replacement, as currently, a battery can't be replaced unless in-store equipment registers it as near failing.

An iPhone's battery is designed to retain 80 percent of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles. A defective battery that does not meet those parameters can be replaced for free for customers who have AppleCare+ or who have devices still under warranty.

For out of warranty customers, Apple offers a battery replacement service, which costs $79 plus $6.95 for shipping.

The lawsuit is demanding the replacement of the old iPhone and compensation for loss of use, loss of value, the purchase of new batteries, ascertainable losses in the form of the deprivation of the value of the iPhone, and overpayments because Plaintiffs and Class Members "did not receive what they paid for" when Apple interfered with the usage of their iPhones.

Additional class action lawsuits have been filed against Apple in Chicago, New York, and Northern California. All three lawsuits allege that Apple slowed down iPhones in an effort to get customers to upgrade to new devices.

Article Link: Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
[doublepost=1514849315][/doublepost]Does anyone know if the intentional slowing applies to older iPads? It seems like mine is running slower now than a few years ago.
 
I also think theres more going on than they admit . My 1.5 yr old SE running 9.3.5 still has 96% health after 107 cycles . Run the battery all the way down to 6% & have yet to ever have a shutdown or lag at all .

My MacBook Air used to get 12-13 hrs battery life on mountain lion & after upgrading to Sierra it dropped to 6 hrs . Restore back to mountain lion & I get 12 hrs again .

In the next few months I'm betting there will be independent tests done showing whats really happening , I'm not buying into the battery degradation claims by apple & I'm pretty sure someone is gonna prove planned obsolescence is not a theory but fact ...
 
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[doublepost=1514849315][/doublepost]Does anyone know if the intentional slowing applies to older iPads? It seems like mine is running slower now than a few years ago.
im pretty sure all ios items are affected. i would not update to ios 11.
 
You are confusing a DEFECTIVE battery (yours) and an older battery that has DEGRADED (what Apple is claiming will cause your iPhone to shutdown).

When cells go bad, you will get that sudden jump from 60 to 30%, for example. But that is not what Apple is addressing.

In your case, what effect would Apple lowering speed of your phone had on your defective battery? Would it still nose dive at 60%? Would it still die shortly thereafter? Yes, because your battery was defective.

Two different issues in my book.

A 3-Year old battery that has been discharged and charged everyday, sometimes multiple times, is defective and not degraded? Hmm I am unaware of this magical battery that you know of that would take that abuse and last forever. Please share it with the world so we can overcome your "different issues" confusion.
 
A 3-Year old battery that has been discharged and charged everyday, sometimes multiple times, is defective and not degraded? Hmm I am unaware of this magical battery that you know of that would take that abuse and last forever. Please share it with the world so we can overcome your "different issues" confusion.

You can make lithium ion batteries last decades. It's all about cell design, BMS, and thermal control.

It's also feasible for these adjustments to be applied to mobile electronics, however the cell design constraints have such a heavy emphasis on volumetric energy that they sacrifice cell calendar life.
 
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[doublepost=1514849315][/doublepost]Does anyone know if the intentional slowing applies to older iPads? It seems like mine is running slower now than a few years ago.

I wouldn't doubt it considering mine have gotten slower and more unstable with every update.
 
Again, i wouldn't update to ios11 at all. they've said as much and said not as much.

You can believe whatever you want, but Apple has come out and stated they throttle phones and just phones. They even said which models and that they’re pushing them out to more phones in the future. Please don’t spread FUD.
 
You can believe whatever you want, but Apple has come out and stated they throttle phones and just phones. They even said which models and that they’re pushing them out to more phones in the future. Please don’t spread FUD.
update to ios11 at your own risk. i know i wouldn't update until this gets sorted out. and i think majority of people would agree.. Again i say keyword "I".
 
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Apple yesterday confirmed that it has implemented power management features in older iPhones to improve performance and prevent unexpected shutdowns as the battery in the devices starts to degrade, and this admission has now led to a class action lawsuit, which was first noticed by TMZ.

Los Angeles residents Stefan Bogdanovich and Dakota Speas, represented by Wilshire Law Firm, this morning filed a lawsuit with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California accusing Apple of slowing down their older iPhone models when new models come out.

iphone-6s-colors-800x586.jpg
According to the lawsuit, Bogdanovich and Speas have owned the iPhone 7 and several older iPhone models and have noticed that their "older iPhone models slows (sic) down when new models come out." The two say they did not consent to have Apple slow down their devices, nor were they able to "choose whether they preferred to have their iPhones slower than normal."

They're seeking both California and Nationwide class action certification, which would cover all persons residing in the United States who have owned iPhone models older than the iPhone 8.

Apple yesterday addressed speculation that it throttles the performance of older iPhones with degraded batteries, confirming that there are power management features in place to attempt to prolong the life of the iPhone and its battery. Apple implemented these features last year in iOS 10.2.1.

When an iPhone's battery health starts to decline, the battery is not capable of supplying enough power to the iPhone in times of peak processor usage, which can lead to shutdowns, Apple says.The lawsuit seemingly misrepresents Apple's original statement and suggests the plaintiffs and their lawyers do not understand Apple's explanation for how iPhone power management features work and why they were implemented, given the lawsuit's suggestion that it's tied to the release of new devices. As explained by Apple, when certain iPhone models hit a peak of processor power, a degraded battery is sometimes unable to provide enough juice, leading to a shutdown. Apple says it "smooths out" these peaks by limiting the power draw from the battery or by spreading power requests over several cycles.

Lithium-ion batteries degrade over time by nature, and this eventual wearing out addressed by the power management features is unrelated to the release of new iPhone models.

Apple does not deny that iPhones with older batteries can sometimes see slower performance, but power management is a feature that Apple says has been implemented to improve overall performance by preventing an iPhone from shutting down completely rather than a feature that's been implemented to force users to upgrade by deliberately slowing devices.

As many people have suggested, Apple has done a poor job of explaining why it has implemented these power management features and how the state of the battery ultimately affects iPhone performance. More transparent information about battery health should be provided, and customers should be better informed when their batteries start to degrade so they can choose whether or not to pay for a replacement. Apple may also need to relax its policies on when customers can pay for a battery replacement, as currently, a battery can't be replaced unless in-store equipment registers it as near failing.

An iPhone's battery is designed to retain 80 percent of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles. A defective battery that does not meet those parameters can be replaced for free for customers who have AppleCare+ or who have devices still under warranty.

For out of warranty customers, Apple offers a battery replacement service, which costs $79 plus $6.95 for shipping.

The lawsuit is demanding the replacement of the old iPhone and compensation for loss of use, loss of value, the purchase of new batteries, ascertainable losses in the form of the deprivation of the value of the iPhone, and overpayments because Plaintiffs and Class Members "did not receive what they paid for" when Apple interfered with the usage of their iPhones.

Additional class action lawsuits have been filed against Apple in Chicago, New York, and Northern California. All three lawsuits allege that Apple slowed down iPhones in an effort to get customers to upgrade to new devices.

Article Link: Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
I have been on the phone on and off with Apple over this very issue. They claim that no one else is having this problem. Yeah, right. I told them I am not that stupid and that I have over 6888 contacts in my address book, with probably more than half of them having iphones and they all say the same thing. This is clealy being done to make us buy a new iPhone. I refuse and if worse case scenario means i have to live with it like this or change to a Samsung etc., the Apple is the one who will loose. To be honest, it feels like ever since Steve Jobs passed on, things with Apple have been going down hill very quickly. So sad!!!
 
I betcha anyone getting a $29 battery update has to agree to not sue.

Back after Antennagate, Apple settled with a class action over it. Each user who had NOT accepted one of those free bumpers from Apple, could get $15... plus then they could still get the free bumper or case.
 
Well, this issue is by design, not accident, and it does make older phone obsolete with respect to the user so it is, by definition, planned obsolescence.


I have read your posts throughout this thread, and you truthfully don't know what obsolete means. You continually keep using out of context and conflate it with obsolescence. Others have insinuated this to you, but I am directly pointing out in fact your posts are poorly portraying this in the same aspect as the throttling, which is not accurate.
 
You can believe whatever you want, but Apple has come out and stated they throttle phones and just phones. They even said which models and that they’re pushing them out to more phones in the future. Please don’t spread FUD.

I’m not saying they are lying, but Apple my not be telling you the complete truth unless they are discovered as it happened.
 
I have read your posts throughout this thread, and you truthfully don't know what obsolete means. You continually keep using out of context and conflate it with obsolescence. Others have insinuated this to you, but I am directly pointing out in fact your posts are poorly portraying this in the same aspect as the throttling, which is not accurate.

From the dictionary:

Obsolete
verb
US
  1. 1.
    cause (a product or idea) to become obsolete by replacing it with something new.
    "we're trying to stimulate the business by obsoleting last year's designs"

I also used a condition (with respect to the user) or in other words, "If you need a phone to run as it was designed, or have purchased a new phone because your old (Throttled) phone was no longer usable for you"

My understanding of the situation is fine.
 
Does anyone know if the intentional slowing applies to older iPads?

Nope. Unlike iPhones, iPads have room for batteries capable of supplying sufficient power for many years. Heck, I use iPads dating back over a half decade and they still keep a good charge.

Sufficient battery is what this boils down to.

It seems like mine is running slower now than a few years ago.

That’s usually due to iOS updates, which many of us have learned should often be avoided on older devices, as they don’t add new features as much as adding bloat .

Such updates to older iPad minis, are why I finally upgraded to a newer iPad mini.
 
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Yep. I accidentally updated to iOS 9 on an iPad 2 - which rendered it pretty much useless.

Yeah, a lot of us first went to 7 or 8 and they were so awful that we jumped on 9 hoping it would fix things. Ha. Nope.

This is why I cringe whenever some well meaning but ignorant fanboy yaps about Apple’s “longer support” and “more iOS updates”. A numerically higher version, yes. Some security fixes, okay. More features and better optimization? No, not for older devices.

The oldest iPad I have still runs fine because we never updated it.
 
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