Not to derail the thread but whats the probability that Apple has something similar implemented on their Macbooks? I have a 2009 15" MBPro and it has been a work horse. I switched over to a 2013 MB Pro for a few months then went back to the 2009 model and it is now so slow that it is unusable.
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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Wouldn’t it be better to just advise users to periodically monitor & replace their batteries, as necessary? Also, if your phone is out of warranty, it’s best to just replace the battery yourself. If you know how to use a screwdriver, you can replace the battery & other iPhone parts via Amazon or iFixIt. Nonetheless, this story is wild, as I replaced the battery, backplate, buttons & LCD screen on my 6 Plus, only to still have to run out & buy an 8 Plus b/c my perfectly fine & restored 6 Plus was being THROTTLED, all along w/o my knowledge. I had suspicions though, b/c it started choking & giving me problems, as soon as I upgraded to iOS 11. So primarily why I rebuilt it. Again. New backplate, buttons, LCD screen & battery. All for nothing.
Apple yesterday confirmed that it has implemented power management features in older iPhones to improve performance and prevent unexpected shutdowns as the battery in the devices starts to degrade, and this admission has now led to a class action lawsuit, which was first noticed by TMZ.
Los Angeles residents Stefan Bogdanovich and Dakota Speas, represented by Wilshire Law Firm, this morning filed a lawsuit with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California accusing Apple of slowing down their older iPhone models when new models come out.
According to the lawsuit, Bogdanovich and Speas have owned the iPhone 7 and several older iPhone models and have noticed that their "older iPhone models slows (sic) down when new models come out." The two say they did not consent to have Apple slow down their devices, nor were they able to "choose whether they preferred to have their iPhones slower than normal."
They're seeking both California and Nationwide class action certification, which would cover all persons residing in the United States who have owned iPhone models older than the iPhone 8.
Apple yesterday addressed speculation that it throttles the performance of older iPhones with degraded batteries, confirming that there are power management features in place to attempt to prolong the life of the iPhone and its battery. Apple implemented these features last year in iOS 10.2.1.
When an iPhone's battery health starts to decline, the battery is not capable of supplying enough power to the iPhone in times of peak processor usage, which can lead to shutdowns, Apple says.The lawsuit seemingly misrepresents Apple's original statement and suggests the plaintiffs and their lawyers do not understand Apple's explanation for how iPhone power management features work and why they were implemented, given the lawsuit's suggestion that it's tied to the release of new devices. As explained by Apple, when certain iPhone models hit a peak of processor power, a degraded battery is sometimes unable to provide enough juice, leading to a shutdown. Apple says it "smooths out" these peaks by limiting the power draw from the battery or by spreading power requests over several cycles.
Lithium-ion batteries degrade over time by nature, and this eventual wearing out addressed by the power management features is unrelated to the release of new iPhone models.
Apple does not deny that iPhones with older batteries can sometimes see slower performance, but power management is a feature that Apple says has been implemented to improve overall performance by preventing an iPhone from shutting down completely rather than a feature that's been implemented to force users to upgrade by deliberately slowing devices.
As many people have suggested, Apple has done a poor job of explaining why it has implemented these power management features and how the state of the battery ultimately affects iPhone performance. More transparent information about battery health should be provided, and customers should be better informed when their batteries start to degrade so they can choose whether or not to pay for a replacement. Apple may also need to relax its policies on when customers can pay for a battery replacement, as currently, a battery can't be replaced unless in-store equipment registers it as near failing.
An iPhone's battery is designed to retain 80 percent of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles. A defective battery that does not meet those parameters can be replaced for free for customers who have AppleCare+ or who have devices still under warranty.
For out of warranty customers, Apple offers a battery replacement service, which costs $79 plus $6.95 for shipping.
The lawsuit is demanding the replacement of the old iPhone and compensation for loss of use, loss of value, the purchase of new batteries, ascertainable losses in the form of the deprivation of the value of the iPhone, and overpayments because Plaintiffs and Class Members "did not receive what they paid for" when Apple interfered with the usage of their iPhones.
Article Link: Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models'
The use of the word "bug" in all these articles is wrong, a bug is a problem in software, in this case, the "bug" is hardware related, which sure, can be worked around with software, but if it is negatively impacting the user's experience and not meeting the advertised expectations, the software patch does not suffice and you have a product design flaw.
Also, my iPhone 6s still running iOS 9 (yes, i've been dealing with those stupid update messages all this time), in all its lifetime (2.5years), has't had this "shut down" bug once...
Also, my iPhone 6s still running iOS 9 (yes, i've been dealing with those stupid update messages all this time), in all its lifetime (2.5years), has't had this "shut down" bug once...
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Many probably wouldn’t have upgraded if they had known they were implementing this. Apple should allow users to downgrade easily.
We know that because their were exposed, not because they were nice and told consumers what they were about to do so we could make an informative decision. But hey, is Apple... they always know better.
Apple knew that complains about performance will appear, Apple knew about consumers complaining. Apple knew the reason. Apple remained in silence. Not telling the complete truth is another way of lying.
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Apple yesterday confirmed that it has implemented power management features in older iPhones to improve performance and prevent unexpected shutdowns as the battery in the devices starts to degrade, and this admission has now led to a class action lawsuit, which was first noticed by TMZ.
Los Angeles residents Stefan Bogdanovich and Dakota Speas, represented by Wilshire Law Firm, this morning filed a lawsuit with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California accusing Apple of slowing down their older iPhone models when new models come out.
According to the lawsuit, Bogdanovich and Speas have owned the iPhone 7 and several older iPhone models and have noticed that their "older iPhone models slows (sic) down when new models come out." The two say they did not consent to have Apple slow down their devices, nor were they able to "choose whether they preferred to have their iPhones slower than normal."
They're seeking both California and Nationwide class action certification, which would cover all persons residing in the United States who have owned iPhone models older than the iPhone 8.
Apple yesterday addressed speculation that it throttles the performance of older iPhones with degraded batteries, confirming that there are power management features in place to attempt to prolong the life of the iPhone and its battery. Apple implemented these features last year in iOS 10.2.1.
When an iPhone's battery health starts to decline, the battery is not capable of supplying enough power to the iPhone in times of peak processor usage, which can lead to shutdowns, Apple says.The lawsuit seemingly misrepresents Apple's original statement and suggests the plaintiffs and their lawyers do not understand Apple's explanation for how iPhone power management features work and why they were implemented, given the lawsuit's suggestion that it's tied to the release of new devices. As explained by Apple, when certain iPhone models hit a peak of processor power, a degraded battery is sometimes unable to provide enough juice, leading to a shutdown. Apple says it "smooths out" these peaks by limiting the power draw from the battery or by spreading power requests over several cycles.
Lithium-ion batteries degrade over time by nature, and this eventual wearing out addressed by the power management features is unrelated to the release of new iPhone models.
Apple does not deny that iPhones with older batteries can sometimes see slower performance, but power management is a feature that Apple says has been implemented to improve overall performance by preventing an iPhone from shutting down completely rather than a feature that's been implemented to force users to upgrade by deliberately slowing devices.
As many people have suggested, Apple has done a poor job of explaining why it has implemented these power management features and how the state of the battery ultimately affects iPhone performance. More transparent information about battery health should be provided, and customers should be better informed when their batteries start to degrade so they can choose whether or not to pay for a replacement. Apple may also need to relax its policies on when customers can pay for a battery replacement, as currently, a battery can't be replaced unless in-store equipment registers it as near failing.
An iPhone's battery is designed to retain 80 percent of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles. A defective battery that does not meet those parameters can be replaced for free for customers who have AppleCare+ or who have devices still under warranty.
For out of warranty customers, Apple offers a battery replacement service, which costs $79 plus $6.95 for shipping.
The lawsuit is demanding the replacement of the old iPhone and compensation for loss of use, loss of value, the purchase of new batteries, ascertainable losses in the form of the deprivation of the value of the iPhone, and overpayments because Plaintiffs and Class Members "did not receive what they paid for" when Apple interfered with the usage of their iPhones.
Article Link: Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models'
You forgot the important part in your blind defense:
Users: "Since my battery cant hold the charge necessary for some tasks, I would like to pay you to replace the battery to return my iPhone to as-new condition."
Apple: "Conveniently, our testing shows that your battery doesn't qualify for replacement, so stick with your 1-year old phone that we just slowed down, or just buy this blazing fast, really expensive new iPhone."
I'm still on 10.3.3 on my iPhone 7 Plus. Does that mean my phone is going to shut down periodically? Also, what if we didn't abuse our phones and the battery is still in great shape? Does my iPhone get to be slowed down because other people abuse their batteries?
I am done with Apple after 10 years. They got away with it for so many years!
They even have the audacity to say that they will continue doing it. So they meant to say, buy a new phone every year if not we will slow it down!!
They should be sued big time!! I need my money back for the last three upgrades because I only did it because the phone started to become slow.
They even have the audacity to say that they will continue doing it. So they meant to say, buy a new phone every year if not we will slow it down!!
They should be sued big time!! I need my money back for the last three upgrades because I only did it because the phone started to become slow.
I guess this slowdown then also applies to the iPad as well. My poor old iPad Air slowed dramatically after updating to IOS 11. Scrolling has become jerky, icon touches in Safari take actual whole seconds to appear after touching them, same is true in the Mail Application. I am sure my battery is tired by now. After reading of the iPhone speed decreases it now makes sense. They both run the same IOS.
Nothing terribly surprising here. Apple was wrong, they willfully and without notification diminished the capabilities of a device after a period of time, in order to remedy one of two possible scenarios.
1). The batteries were not performing as expected over time, to prevent a massive recall Apple gave the phone the ability to diagnose the battery's condition and appropriately throttle the phone to maintain stability. This is a marketed as a "feature".
2). The actual diminishing battery performance is as expected and the battery quality is not anywhere near the standards of previous iPhone hardware. That is why the iOS X.2 versions implement a battery assessment linked to performance.
The part that apple will have a difficult time explaining is why the 10.2 and 11.2 releases that implemented the battery assessment for the iPhone 6s / 7 respectively are not long after new hardware is released (within 3 months). a period of time that is usually tied to the end of supply constraints for the current model iPhone.
Simple solution would be that the battery icon would turn red or a system notification would appear that says, "Your iPhone is not performing at an optimum level and requires a battery replacement. you may experience diminished speeds in order to preserve functionality" if you are an apple care customer, go get a new one... if you aren't, shell out your $80 for an out of warranty replacement.
OH WAIT!... wasn't it apple that said you didn't need a removable / replaceable battery way back when.....
I love my iPhone X .... I am NEVER getting a Samsung Galaxy or any other Android nonsense, but there is no reason to hide the truth. You will only hurt your business by hurting your customers in the long run. These people pay almost $1000 for a cell phone. They will stomach being told to have their phone serviced 1 / yr.
1). The batteries were not performing as expected over time, to prevent a massive recall Apple gave the phone the ability to diagnose the battery's condition and appropriately throttle the phone to maintain stability. This is a marketed as a "feature".
2). The actual diminishing battery performance is as expected and the battery quality is not anywhere near the standards of previous iPhone hardware. That is why the iOS X.2 versions implement a battery assessment linked to performance.
The part that apple will have a difficult time explaining is why the 10.2 and 11.2 releases that implemented the battery assessment for the iPhone 6s / 7 respectively are not long after new hardware is released (within 3 months). a period of time that is usually tied to the end of supply constraints for the current model iPhone.
Simple solution would be that the battery icon would turn red or a system notification would appear that says, "Your iPhone is not performing at an optimum level and requires a battery replacement. you may experience diminished speeds in order to preserve functionality" if you are an apple care customer, go get a new one... if you aren't, shell out your $80 for an out of warranty replacement.
OH WAIT!... wasn't it apple that said you didn't need a removable / replaceable battery way back when.....
I love my iPhone X .... I am NEVER getting a Samsung Galaxy or any other Android nonsense, but there is no reason to hide the truth. You will only hurt your business by hurting your customers in the long run. These people pay almost $1000 for a cell phone. They will stomach being told to have their phone serviced 1 / yr.
LOL and the internet delivers in dramatic internet fashion... The things people say here are hilarious.
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Have owned Apple products for a long time (about 11 Apple products or more in the house right now, doesn't include old iphone or macbooks or apple tvs). Wife never updates her iphone and I updated her 6s over a week ago and she has been complaining of it being slow as hell and wants a new phone. I stick with apple because I thought they were not the same as Microsoft or android. Quality and integrity means something, and I pay a higher price for it. I say they get sued to hell and for this. But probably won't happen.
I expect to have the same CPU speed as when I bought the device.
If my device isn’t lasting as long because it needs a new battery, I can easily spend that money to fix it.
I don’t believe Apple. It’s in their best interest for us to upgrade.
My wife has a 6S plus and as soon as the new iOS came out she complained that it started to stutter and would not run as smoothly anymore.
I told her to clean it off and set it up as a new phone and it still wouldn’t work properly.
I wouldn’t be surprised that they are doing the same with the iPADS as well.
If my device isn’t lasting as long because it needs a new battery, I can easily spend that money to fix it.
I don’t believe Apple. It’s in their best interest for us to upgrade.
My wife has a 6S plus and as soon as the new iOS came out she complained that it started to stutter and would not run as smoothly anymore.
I told her to clean it off and set it up as a new phone and it still wouldn’t work properly.
I wouldn’t be surprised that they are doing the same with the iPADS as well.
Apple has failed to tell customers this. This is the problem. Apple hasn't been transparent. It makes them look like shady crooks for not being open about it.
Yea but u have to take in account to how basic an iPhone 5 was compared to something like a 6 or X and how complex the OS is currently. Like I can edit 4k and add effects on my phone, these things are mini MacBook's in a way. Forsure IOS needs to be more efficient but even full computers throttle for various reasons.
Yes, I'm a shill for being critical of Apple when they do something wrong ... even though I've been a big Apple supporter since I was a kid. Anyone that disagrees with you and doesn't bow down to all things Apple must have some sort of a hidden agenda. Or ... now hear me out ... Apple isn't perfect and sometimes big corporations need to be held accountable. Nobody is saying Apple is evil, but some of their choices along their path to success have been questionable. Sometimes Apple doesn't even address problems until it's pointed out ... like this one.
I have had issues non-stop with my old iPhone 6 battery ALL THE TIME! It was extremely frustrating. I’d go from 100% to 60 to 15% to off in a matter of me being on my phone for maybe 20 minuets, 30 at the absolute most. Sometimes I wasn’t even using my phone and if it wasn’t plugged in, would drop to 30% or turn off. I think the battery drainage started when the 7 came out and about a week or two after the 8 arrived, my phone died unexpectedly without even using it. Was sitting in my handbag and I went to google something and it shut off. WTH!? I went home plugged it in. An hour later of playing with it, nada. Got my moms phone and was basically forced to go to the Sprint store and get the iPhone 8. I was personally waiting for the X, but now they’ve been having issues with the facial recognition software, I’m kinda glad I was stuck to get the 8.
I’ve had iPhones since the 4, iPads, iPods...the whole 9. I’ve never had a problem like I had with anything other than the iPhone 6. Tho my mom has an older iPad that’s EXTREMELY slow. I wanted to throw it out the window! POS! It works for her tho, but personally I couldn’t deal with that crap!
There’s definitely something off with all of this. We shouldn’t have to be forced to buy upgraded electronics, some of us can’t afford to do that all the time. And their AppleCare...way too pricey. At least if anything, let us pay in installments, just like everything else. It’s impossible for me to purchase a new phone or pad and have to pay in one lump for AppleCare the same day. Not cool. I refuse to go to Android for a number of reasons, but if push comes to shove, I may have to do that one day.
I’ve had iPhones since the 4, iPads, iPods...the whole 9. I’ve never had a problem like I had with anything other than the iPhone 6. Tho my mom has an older iPad that’s EXTREMELY slow. I wanted to throw it out the window! POS! It works for her tho, but personally I couldn’t deal with that crap!
There’s definitely something off with all of this. We shouldn’t have to be forced to buy upgraded electronics, some of us can’t afford to do that all the time. And their AppleCare...way too pricey. At least if anything, let us pay in installments, just like everything else. It’s impossible for me to purchase a new phone or pad and have to pay in one lump for AppleCare the same day. Not cool. I refuse to go to Android for a number of reasons, but if push comes to shove, I may have to do that one day.
I'm wondering about iPads too. They may even do it to their macs.
Apple has really taken the cake with this.
Excellent. Hope Apple gets a major slap for this. Also, it's gonna get even better when markets with the pro-consumer legislation (such as the EU) get onto this, which they most certainly will.
So you then I guess you should never update your software or download anything from the App Store or iTunes Store.
Apple doesn't do this with the intention that people buy new phones. Is that your initial reaction if you buy a car and in 3 years it breaks and slows down is to go buy the same car? No. you wouldn't touch that car with a 10mile pole. Phones are not any different, it isn't in Apple's long term interest to do this with that intention, it would be suicide.