This will be the basis of the suit. They were caught with their pants down. The battery argument will not insulate them sufficiently. This entire folly clearly shows the loss of Internal Controls at Apple.
Tim needs to resign.
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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This will be the basis of the suit. They were caught with their pants down. The battery argument will not insulate them sufficiently. This entire folly clearly shows the loss of Internal Controls at Apple.
Tim needs to resign.
Actually, no, the throttling occurs when the battery is detected as degraded. The investigation has shown that if you get the battery replaced, the throttling no longer occurs. It just so happens that degraded batteries typically are on older hardware systems. The problem is that many people have relied on clickbatey news articles that feed the "Apple is breaking older hardware to force you to upgrade" narrative. iMore has a much more balanced article on the subject. https://www.imore.com/apple-deliberately-slows-old-iphones-good-reasons-dumb-messaging
Apple should have been more transparent about the issue, but this lawsuit is ridiculous.
If you really felt this way you wouldn't have applied any updates or patches and would still be running the same phone + software 'you paid for'. In which case, this thread doesn't apply to you.
My guess is you expect updates and would complain loudly when/if Apple stops supporting your hardware. Can't have it both ways, demand the latest and greatest software/features then say whoa- hands off.
Lastly this is the correct thing to do with power management software, it is protecting you from a major fault. You're implying you don't want this, but I'm quite sure you would find the phone suddenly shutting down more noticeable and much more annoying than evening our processor peaks. The important point here is 'peaks' this isn't making your whole phone slower constantly, it's prevent harmful processor spikes. These don't happen under typical use.
This is what I found from Apple's official press release dated September 12, 2017:
Now, as you point out, this is not a specific processor speed. But Apple is claiming a certain improvement in processing capability and I think it reasonable to assume that they have made similar official claims in other press releases.
I also think it reasonable that someone could you benchmark scores to validate these claims and that those benchmark scores should remain consistent through the life of the device.
This will be the basis of the suit. They were caught with their pants down. The battery argument will not insulate them sufficiently. This entire folly clearly shows the loss of Internal Controls at Apple.
Tim needs to resign.
Apple releases a pop up informing you that your phone is being throttled.
Problem solved.
Shills. Shills everywhere. Why would a one year old phone need throttling but not be applicable for battery replacement?
I really wish people would stop misrepresenting where the frustration with Apple stems from.
It is because instead of notifying me that my battery needed servicing on my 6S+ AND throttling the CPU to keep it from shutting off randomly (though I would contest that this is not normal battery degradation and is a manufacturing defect with the 6S/+ as mine started randomly turning off less than 12 months in) Apple saw fit to throttle without any kind of information as to what they were doing.
That is the problem. Communication.
But if I had been given the option to replace the battery for the AU120 on Apple's support page, I probably would have gone with that over upgrading to the 8+. Which gives Apple a huge financial incentive not to tell me that my device is being artificially slowed and why.
Those guys are shills/trolls. They intentionally skip over details like what you have posted. Apple can do no wrong in their eyes. They are currently unaffected so don’t care about other end users.
Meh. Me thinks they complain too loudly. The EULA will come down on Apple's side. Phones over 2 yrs. old are unreliable without battery replacement. If these people just replaced the battery, their experience would improve. Get me a new phone annually and I'm set. Apple did nothing wrong here.
If you want to really understand what's going on, this is a great listen:
http://vector.libsyn.com/041-iphone-battery-life-vs-performance-roundtable
http://vector.libsyn.com/041-iphone-battery-life-vs-performance-roundtable
"Apple made the conscious choice to slow iPhones with degraded batteries in order to prolong battery life."
Is that what you're referring to from the article? I read the article fairly quickly, but there's no way they would make the software cater to specific battery health status.
The slow down described by numerous users have been perfectly fine to completely unusable. In my case, my battery is at 93% health. Upgraded to iOS 11 from 10, and it's freezes everytime I bring keyboard up, or prompting Siri.
Unless they're making batteries that are below 95% to slow down, I question the feature being active based on battery health.
7.2 YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, USE OF THE iOS SOFTWARE AND ANY SERVICES PERFORMED BY OR ACCESSED THROUGH THE iOS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU.
Terms and conditions.
Terms and conditions.
I need to clarify, if the shutdown occurs within the first two years then it’s a defect. Apple claims 500 cycles for 80% life that equates to two years of normal use. If the phone shuts down during this period, then the battery is inadequate or there is a flaw in apple’s engineering.
After two years, users should fully expect batteries to be worn and subject to shutdowns. That’s the users problem, not apple’s. After two years, why should they care? They want you to upgrade to the new model, Apple doesn’t give a **** about saving your phone. But it is the perfect excuse to implement a throttle and enhancing the upgrade cycle. Also gives legal cover in case they get caught. Very clever.
Apple could had made a ton of money replacing batteries. Yet, they choose not to and in fact refuses to replace any that doesn’t meet their secret wear requirements. Why?
The throttle, holy hell. Why more than 50%. A small voltage drop does not require halving your processor to prevent shutdown. Apple needed the slowness to be visceral. You need to feel the need to upgrade.
Gruber is an a$$. And becoming less relevant. He went batty when Apple seeded iPhone X's to YouTube personalities. Threw a tantrum like an 8 year old.
How are those comments relevant to this? They're not; I just never pass up a chance to throw shade at that pompous a$$ John Gruber
My battery is at 93%, on a 6 Plus. It was replaced about a year ago. I was on iOS 8 up until late iOS 10 cycle. It was perfectly fine and fast. Latest version of iOS 10 was reasonably fast, when I upgraded about 3 months before iOS 11. I was expecting a bit of slow down from 8 to 10, knowing Apple's track record. But iOS 11 froze the phone basically.
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I've been on MacRumors since nearly the beginning, coming out of retirement to say the editorializing and blatantly accepting of the Apple corporate line is so unbecoming.
Apple has spent a long time taking user choice out of its products. 'Apple knows best'
Maybe I should get to choose if i want to burn my battery out in an hour at full CPU or half power for two hours.
I know a lot of what MR does it push press releases to connect the entire Apple universe, but Judi and MR have some sense when doing original reporting its embarrassing to parrot like this.
Apple has spent a long time taking user choice out of its products. 'Apple knows best'
Maybe I should get to choose if i want to burn my battery out in an hour at full CPU or half power for two hours.
I know a lot of what MR does it push press releases to connect the entire Apple universe, but Judi and MR have some sense when doing original reporting its embarrassing to parrot like this.
You kinda concented when you initially signed up for your Apple ID or when you accepted to download any version of iOS..
That's incorrect.
They started slowing down iPhone 7 too with ios 11.2.1 and those batteries are not degraded.
They are over 90% health but for some odd reason they already throttling those.
The iphone 8 and iphone X will take a dip in performance within a year too with upcoming iOS updates.
“Real life” benchmark < real users noticing something wrong after iOS10. Also, I find interesting the timing of that benchmark.
Not to nitpick, but could they be referring to two separate matters here?
Yes, the battery should drop to 80% after 2 years, which seems to be their threshold for replacement. It doesn’t guarantee that the iPhone will be free of battery-related issues during these 2 years. It increasingly seems like the fast processor speeds and race to sleep / wake capabilities which the A-series chips are much touted for come at the expense of battery health, and that this is apparently not sustainable after the first year.
Combine that with Apple’s penchant for using smaller batteries to save on space and you have the brewing of a perfect storm.
Couple that with the news of Apple wanting to make their own power management chips and it does really make you wonder why...
