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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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Their not going to do that because they want to force us to keep buying new phones! My phone which I own has been a snail since the new models came out. Really disappointed in Apple hope this lawsuit continues .
At the very LEAST I should be asked if I want better performance or better battery life. Let ME make that choice. Or better yet, give me a switch to do it as I need to. Doing it for me and without notifying me it is doing it...well, this lawsuit shows what that does. Whether they are being honest or not, not telling us appears it was done to sell more phones.
Absolutely...there is nothing wrong with adding battery saver modes into the OS.. Android has had it for years now...but that control has always been at the end user's discretion and the user implicitly knows that when they activate it, their processor and other sub system parts are working at a much slower rate... automatically cutting CPU power by the amount Apple has been doing is extremely egregious. A person who doesn't realize their battery is no longer holding up will NEVER know this way. Instead they will look at their phone, see 75% battery life and think it's the phone itself that's not powerful enough to run the OS and apps. To be clear, Apple hasn't been cutting 10-15% CPU speed, it's more like 60%. There is no way they can justify a whopping 60% cut on CPU speed for battery life...if the battery truly is failing, let it fail or die early so that the end user KNOWS it's the battery. If adding battery saver mode is important, let the USER activate it at their discretion. I think Apple has been throttling CPUs far more than needed and this has been a cash grab for them.
So they should be like manufacturers of many Android phones and stop providing any software or firmware updates? No security updates? No service or support? Or do you only lose support if you buy the device outright (only one payment).
You and I might not like the slowdowns but they are not unethical.
Brand loyalty only comes into question when buying the next device on offer. If the company makes the newer device more attractive by purposely hindering the old device than that company should be held up to question.
Stop whining. You would be complaining if they didnt implement a feature to help with the battery degradation.
Yes, I agree!
The average user buys an iPhone, it slows down after a year, they think the phones slow and not powerful anymore and upgrade! Apple know the average customer will do this.
It's absolutely being done on their part for money and forced upgrades...it's no coincidence that it happens to every iPhone right when the new iPhone is released. Apple should be forced to remove this code in iOS so that better unbiased testing can be done to see how "honest" Apple is.
So your computer doesnt slow down over time? Over time a new computer becomes attractive because I want a newer, faster one with the best new features.
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Umm it doesnt happen when a new iphone comes out. Get informed.
Who cares, I hate having to carry around my iPhone. I usually have it turned off 90% of the time. TwStudios
nope my computer didn't slow down after a year - even 2 years! - of extremely heavy use.
Plus if software slows down my computer I can go back to previous versions.
Plus computers slow down for other reasons!!!!... there's not even a single comparison to what happened with Apple throttling iphones..
It is a battery design issue for sure. But it's not weird that this is an issue that Apple faces and Android doesn't right now. Let me explain:
Consider a case where an iPhone processor has a peak current draw of X amps and the equivalent android phone processor also has a current draw of X amps.
Now we know that the iPhone cell is usually a smaller capacity than the equivalent android phone; lets consider the iPhone cell to be 1.5Ah and the android to be 3.0Ah.
It's fair to assume that both cells in the android phone and iPhone have similar designs inside. Most cells that I open in mobile electronics are coated around ~3mAh/cm2. From this value you can calculate the area of the electrodes from our capacities above [500 and 1,000 cm2 for the iPhone and Android respectively].
Now when that processor hits it's peak load of X amps, it will be distributed over twice the area in the android cell.
*X/1000 A/cm2 for the Android
*X/500 A/cm2 for the iPhone
The higher the current density, the more likely you are to have damaging processes like lithium plating and local heating.
So how do you correct this with cell design?
Apple could stick with the smaller capacity, but instead of coating their electrodes at 3mAh/cm2, they could coat at 1.5. This means the electrode area to produce 1.5Ah would double and make it equivalent to that of the android cell. However, you need to consider that doing this requires more of the current collector that you coat these electrodes on. That current collector takes up extra volume inside the cell. So ultimately, the cell's volumetric energy density will decrease with this change.
I am suggesting that the iphone cells were not properly designed for the current of the processors there were being paired with; especially as the cell ages and impedance raises. I don't think it's a coincidence that this became a larger issue with the iPhone 6S because this is when the processing power really started to take off.
I believe the issue is further exasperated by Apple having poor control over their cell manufacturers. They need to use so many because of the volume they require that they have a large variance in how the cell's impedance growth changes with time. This industry has many trade secrets so communication between cell manufacturer and the customers is notoriously poor.
Samsung likely has better control because they have Samsung SDI producing cells.
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Is this a serious comment? If you don’t want them involved after payment then you’ve basically just bought yourself an expensive paper weight. If you’re going to use Apple’s software then they are going to be involved, and you agreed to that when you accepted the license agreement.
You are half way there. It is smart; however, not alerting users that they're doing it was problematic and unethical.
No my computer doesn't. This "over time" thing is non-sense. You can install Windows 7 now or OSX leopard now and it's just as fast (if not faster because the hardware is better) than the day you installed it.
Now your computer may be slower because you've installed all kind of crap that you can't remember to uninstall which is slowing you down. Well boo hoo that's your fault, you want the latest features? good luck on older hardware but don't pretend something that ran a file explorer like a champ suddenly hasn't got the balls to do it anymore.
That's likely the easiest response.
I'd like some better control in there anyways: I want low power mode at 50% (or an alarm to go off and let me know my watch or phone is below a certain threshold of MY choosing).
And it'd likely end the lawsuit.
Hmm...so, Apple's iOS "magical" innovations are the best technology ever created, i.e cameras, speakers, charging port, etc, and not too mention "animoji's"...but, these new innovations also require that the processors utilize more battery power, and in order to run all of the myriad programs simultaneously so the user gets the best device experience, Apple must update their OS.
My question is then; Apple, instead of a "new" annual iPhone iteration, why not change the launch cycles to two or three years, and focus on software stability, thereby giving your 'loyal' customers the best possible experience ?
Unfortunately, any battery degrades over time, unless it's an Atomic battery.
Also, Apple, please get rid of all of the useless stock applications, and the pre-teen animations.
My question is then; Apple, instead of a "new" annual iPhone iteration, why not change the launch cycles to two or three years, and focus on software stability, thereby giving your 'loyal' customers the best possible experience ?
Unfortunately, any battery degrades over time, unless it's an Atomic battery.
Also, Apple, please get rid of all of the useless stock applications, and the pre-teen animations.
I completely disagree. If your device is being 'hindered', this is a negative experience. People with negative product experiences do not have brand loyalty.
And that would be fine. Than people would have a choice, they would know they can solve it by either:
- paying for a new battery to solve the issues with the battery or the CPU throttle
- enable the CPU thorttle
- live with the phone shutting down unexpectedly
How is having a choice such a bad thing? I also own Apple stock - but I don't feel the need to defend them over every mistake they make. Everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone handles them correctly. I expect Apple to handle them as they should.
Ummmm By definition, Atomic batteries work by 'nuclear degradation'. Try again.
You can't beat the 2nd law of thermo dude.
Hahahaha the MAIN STREAM news is now reporting a wave of class action law suites are now being set up against Apple for this issue! Serves them right!
This story will not be going away anytime soon and could affect their sales, which when this one product accounts for over 65% if the entire corporations earnings is going to be bad for them..
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-hit-by-wave-of-class-action-lawsuits-after-admitting-slowing-down-old-iphones-11180613
This story will not be going away anytime soon and could affect their sales, which when this one product accounts for over 65% if the entire corporations earnings is going to be bad for them..
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-hit-by-wave-of-class-action-lawsuits-after-admitting-slowing-down-old-iphones-11180613