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How do you know it's being throttled? Where's your proof? Or could the slowness be due to other factors?

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I don’t think that’s normal for a phone that still has 92 capacity of the battery.
 
Apple made its reputation and comeback by mercilessly and unfairly slamming Windows as being buggy, slow, clunky messes and come over to Apple because "it just works." Which was always BS. But now not only does their overpriced junk no longer "just works," we find out they influentially brick stuff. I'm sorry but an $800 device should last more than 2 gd YEARS. Excusing this practice by saying "Oh, batteries degrade over time and it's understandable" is BS. Again it's an $800 device, now $1,200 device and you are telling me its ACCEPTABLE for it to fail after 2 years? I guess all you people like to pretend you are made out of money and if you are you soon won't have any if you continue to buy $1,200 phones every 2 years.
 
I absolutely loathe Android, but my 6s has been a hot mess this year and iOS 11 made it worse. Now that I know this was intentially done, this is enough to finally push me to really giving Android a go next year. I don't know how long I can put up with a buggy iPhone 6s. Same issues also occur on my iPad Air, it was so bad I took it to the Apple Store last month and I had to pay $250 to get it replaced - guess what? It's still slow and crashes and you cannot tell me it's because the battery must be losing power since Apple replaced it with basically a brand new iPad Air!
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So which is which now? Are we angry at Apple for slowing down our devices, not informing us of this, or just angry?

Why does it have to be either or? Most INTELLIGENT people should be ANGRY that Apple is intentionally slowing our devices down AND not informing people they are doing it.
 
I think greed is partly the cause. Its no secret that iPhone sales have slowed down due to market saturation. Where are they going to find new customers? Well if they can motivate older owners to upgrade due to a OS update, then why not right?

Why not indeed, but lying to your customers, cheating them into believing their devices need updating rather then just a new battery... refusing to replace batteries yourself thereby refusing to support your products..

These are in breach of consumer laws around the globe, they are not in favour in a few European countries or Australia as it is with their persistent mis selling of its Apple Care.
The iPhone 7 and 6S aren’t exactly old devices either.


That’s why not... I think we’ll find next year a few regulators will be taking great interest in this..
 
no one has mentioned that once word of this gets out beyond people who read blogs like this the issue will eventually impact the resale value of iPhones. Who wants to buy a used product that's intentionally gimped. This is worse than Samsung's "exploding" phones meme. This is widespread and impacts a lot more of the iPhone user base.
 
It is not like everyone doesn't already know that Apple only let's you give them money and they let you "take" the device but they retain complete control over everything that has their logo on it.
 
Why not indeed, but lying to your customers, cheating them into believing their devices need updating rather then just a new battery... refusing to replace batteries yourself thereby refusing to support your products..

These are in breach of consumer laws around the globe, they are not in favour in a few European countries or Australia as it is with their persistent mis selling of its Apple Care.

That’s why not... I think we’ll find next year a few regulators will be taking great interest in this..
I'm not justifying the actions but pointing out how they were tempted into doing just that.

The lawsuits are just the tip of the iceberg. I believe federal agencies will be looking into their actions and they should be held accountable. I don't want a tearful apology by cook, they need to be held fully accountable.
 
I'm not justifying the actions but pointing out how they were tempted into doing just that.

The lawsuits are just the tip of the iceberg. I believe federal agencies will be looking into their actions and they should be held accountable. I don't want a tearful apology by cook, they need to be held fully accountable.

Yeah, I understand where your coming from Flynn..

As I said it’s stupid, I don’t know ANYONE who expects a battery to last for ever?? They never have done..
All Apple needed to do was tell it’s customers what they were doing and why.. or let you pay for a replacement!

It’s their own fault for ignoring all their other products and relying on one device so much.

It won’t stop me buying new iOS devices but I’m clued up, it’s the average Jo Blogs who goes by what Apple tells them as they should be trusted to who will suffer.

I’m actually surprised the iPhone X still has screws at the bottom, I’m waiting for the year those disappear and the device is as glued together as an iPad or iMac.

I’ll get an IPhone X but I’ll make it last me.
But I plan on buying a new computer and I have to say, as it stands I’m not sure it will be a Mac.. I think the new Mac Pro will be nice but ludicrously overpriced, as are the MacBook Pros..

Lots of choice from others like Microsoft and Razer.
 
no one has mentioned that once word of this gets out beyond people who read blogs like this the issue will eventually impact the resale value of iPhones. Who wants to buy a used product that's intentionally gimped. This is worse than Samsung's "exploding" phones meme. This is widespread and impacts a lot more of the iPhone user base.

It was fun to watch the story spread from a subreddit, to forums, to tech sites. It's now being picked up by mainstream media, who are like pitbulls when they latch onto something.

As much as Cook is pretending to be ignoring the issue right now, I am willing to bet that he's soon going to be backpedalling just like with the Maps fiasco.
 
This reminds me of Watergate. Nixon was always convinced the WH tapes would exonerate him, but it's what WASN'T in the tapes that convicted him ultimately.

So here's my take. Apple is using the excuse that by throttling down iPhones, they're extending the life of the phone as a "feature" as Steve Jobs would have said.

But in reality, what they are doing is delaying the repair until it's out of AppleCare Warranty and thus encouraging people to buy a new iPhone.

My prediction: The battery issue is a ploy. In reality, IOS is targeting older iPhones by model, not battery issues for replacement in an organized fashion.

This is why Apple reacted so fast to this story. Tim Cook is scared and as a fitting end, The Washington Post is investigating it. :D


Oh...Tim!
 
It was fun to watch the story spread from a subreddit, to forums, to tech sites. It's now being picked up by mainstream media, who are like pitbulls when they latch onto something.

As much as Cook is pretending to be ignoring the issue right now, I am willing to bet that he's soon going to be backpedalling just like with the Maps fiasco.

Anything involving Location and GPS data on my phone no longer works because my phone can no longer get an accurate reading and freezes ALL THE TIME. I'm wondering if this is because of this issue and considering it stays plugged in when it's in the car, you can't convince me this is because my battery must be "dying" and according to all the various apps and the apple store my battery is perfectly fine.
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Yeah, I understand where your coming from Flynn..

As I said it’s stupid, I don’t know ANYONE who expects a battery to last for ever?? They never have done..
All Apple needed to do was tell it’s customers what they were doing and why.. or let you pay for a replacement!

It’s their own fault for ignoring all their other products and relying on one device so much.

It won’t stop me buying new iOS devices but I’m clued up, it’s the average Jo Blogs who goes by what Apple tells them as they should be trusted to who will suffer.

I’m actually surprised the iPhone X still has screws at the bottom, I’m waiting for the year those disappear and the device is as glued together as an iPad or iMac.

I’ll get an IPhone X but I’ll make it last me.
But I plan on buying a new computer and I have to say, as it stands I’m not sure it will be a Mac.. I think the new Mac Pro will be nice but ludicrously overpriced, as are the MacBook Pros..

Lots of choice from others like Microsoft and Razer.

I don't expect batteries to last "forever" but I do expect them to last at least 4 or 5 years on an $800 device. Especially since Apple doesn't provide a way for users to easily swap them out. And because of them I don't think any major manufacturer provides this ability anymore.
 
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Anything involving Location and GPS data on my phone no longer works because my phone can no longer get an accurate reading and freezes ALL THE TIME. I'm wondering if this is because of this issue and considering it stays plugged in when it's in the car, you can't convince me this is because my battery must be "dying" and according to all the various apps and the apple store my battery is perfectly fine.
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I don't expect batteries to last "forever" but I do expect them to last at least 4 or 5 years on an $800 device. Especially since Apple doesn't provide a way for users to easily swap them out. And because of them I don't think any major manufacturer provides this ability anymore.

Then you are expecting battery technology to do something it cannot and will not do in any phone!!
You are demanding something of the technology it inherently will never do and you must accept the practices like what Apple has done to get the lifespan you want.

Oh and reinstall your iOS 11 as a fresh copy, my 6S was buggy as hell till I did that and it helped a lot.
 
I am willing to bet other manufacturers apply a similar power management paradigm.

To the extent that Apple does? Do you know how often Android OS is updated? And how often people update their Android phones? Do you know how difficult it is for Samsung to implement that kind of hardware-level 'paradigm' when they don't control the OS they put on their phones? You just lost the bet, my friend.
 
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This reminds me of Jobs' cocksure "you're holding it wrong" attitude at first with antennagate, which then changed to "but but but they all do it" and a giveaway of cases and bumpers.
 
Then you are expecting battery technology to do something it cannot and will not do in any phone!!
You are demanding something of the technology it inherently will never do and you must accept the practices like what Apple has done to get the lifespan you want.

Oh and reinstall your iOS 11 as a fresh copy, my 6S was buggy as hell till I did that and it helped a lot.

My iPhone 4S still works fine and it allegedly has not been tempered by Apple's new power management scheme.
 
Today, I've decided to steal my next iPhone(s)
Not primarily for my own benefit, but mainly because I want to save Apple's face with all the turmoil about overexpensive phones, over-exploitation of buyers and all the criticism that comes with selling paid goods.
I want to save Apple from all that turmoil and unrealistic market expectations, and as I understand their earnings and stock value seems to depend more on a good name than on my single purchase as an individual.
So I have decided that they should appreciate my decision - which is only in their best interest.
(I did not consult them as it is fundamentally impossible for me to interact with the (re-)sellers of all the goods I buy/will buy in the future - how much I wanted that)
 
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Anything involving Location and GPS data on my phone no longer works because my phone can no longer get an accurate reading and freezes ALL THE TIME. I'm wondering if this is because of this issue and considering it stays plugged in when it's in the car, you can't convince me this is because my battery must be "dying" and according to all the various apps and the apple store my battery is perfectly fine.
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I don't expect batteries to last "forever" but I do expect them to last at least 4 or 5 years on an $800 device. Especially since Apple doesn't provide a way for users to easily swap them out. And because of them I don't think any major manufacturer provides this ability anymore.

They provide for a replacement at a specific fee, less than 10% of the initial purchase price. No battery is going to last 5 years.

You can go to alternate service places, esp after warranty is expired, for less than $50.
 
Did Apple inform the "genius" personnel at their stores of the throttling algorithm they implemented? It would appear that they did not, as if they had, the store personnel would almost certainly have suggested battery replacement, rather than phone replacement, if the slow phones were of the models affected. If the geniuses DID know about this, there is no excuse for suggesting a new phone at the outset. That would merit a valid lawsuit.
 
Then you are expecting battery technology to do something it cannot and will not do in any phone!!
You are demanding something of the technology it inherently will never do and you must accept the practices like what Apple has done to get the lifespan you want.

Oh and reinstall your iOS 11 as a fresh copy, my 6S was buggy as hell till I did that and it helped a lot.

I shouldn't HAVE to do fresh installs on devices everytime there's an update. It's a pain in the ass. And I had already done that. And if a battery inherently dies, then Phones should make it so that the user can easily swap them out and easily replace them with cheaper batteries. But I guess you'll have some lame excuse to justify not allowing users to swap out batteries as well. Anything to defend Apple.
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They provide for a replacement at a specific fee, less than 10% of the initial purchase price. No battery is going to last 5 years.

You can go to alternate service places, esp after warranty is expired, for less than $50.

Then let me easily swap out the batteries. I shouldn't have to go through the hassle and expense of replacing a battery and I had my battery checked at the Apple store a few weeks ago and was told there's nothing wrong with it.
 
I’ve been in touch with Apple Support for 2 days and they wanted me to see how my battery drains over a few hours and get some logs of the battery performance using Mac. Apparently they’re escalating this issue to their “engineers”.
 
Anything involving Location and GPS data on my phone no longer works because my phone can no longer get an accurate reading and freezes ALL THE TIME. I'm wondering if this is because of this issue and considering it stays plugged in when it's in the car, you can't convince me this is because my battery must be "dying" and according to all the various apps and the apple store my battery is perfectly fine.
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I don't expect batteries to last "forever" but I do expect them to last at least 4 or 5 years on an $800 device. Especially since Apple doesn't provide a way for users to easily swap them out. And because of them I don't think any major manufacturer provides this ability anymore.
It is fairly standard for Lithium ion batteries to fail after a set number of cycles - the better ones claim about 500, after which they will fail. For a phone battery to last 4 or 5 years would be rather remarkable if you use your phone daily. Most folks notice battery issues after 2 or 3 years with normal usage. That said, this is one of the main arguments for the user replaceable battery. When one fails, buy another $20 battery and go about your business, rather than pay $70 plus shipping costs and delays to get Apple to replace it. Anyone who pays big bucks for a phone or other mobile device with non-easily swappable batteries should be prepared for eventual battery replacement costs. Most high quality Android phones have unfortunately followed Apple's lead in this regard, so they can also emulate the thin, often glass, unibody design. Caveat emptor.
 
Let's face it.

In the end, I think Apple WILL offer a low-cost battery replacement for any iPhone more than two years old with the 64-bit A-Series SoC (iPhone 5S and newer) and will update iOS so that once the new battery is is installed, the phone will go back to full speed operation.
 
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Anyway, now I lol for kicking Forstall because of AppleMaps. How many employees should be kicked now? Where is the plublic excuse directed to customers? If they try to excuse months or weeks later, this won’t be an acceptable excuse at all.
 
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