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Yes I absolutely would! Then I would just order another ifixit replacement battery kit and be on my merry way. Don’t need Apple to gimp the clock speed of my device unsolicited.
Im trying to pay Apple to replace my son 6s battery. I keep getting told its fine NO ITS NOT FINE.

I really love my ipad, iphone, and apple watch. My kids both have iphones. My ex shares our apple family plan with her iphone and apple watch. That is a lot of customers to walk away over this mess apple created. We are invested in the Apple Eco system, and really dont want to start over, but this is not the Apple that yells about morality and equality, this is the money grubbing Apple that cares only about profit(not wrong). The shady Apple. Dont cry when you got caught red handed
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The lawsuits are alleging that Apple's intention was to slow down iPhones so people are buying newer iPhones instead.
Using the same logic, ironically, nobody is suing Android OEMs for literally not updating their phones to push people to buy newer phones.
Just that.

But I guess conversing is difficult in today's age, because.
Are Android OEM throttling their phones that are only a year old. Apple is.
Does Android not updating cripple you r phone? No
 
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Why does it have to be either or? Most INTELLIGENT people should be ANGRY that Apple is intentionally slowing our devices down AND not informing people they are doing it.
I have been reading comments on various blogs and forums (reddit, ars Technica, birchtree etc) and the reactions have been pretty mixed. Interestingly enough, it's the people at the Reddit Android subforum who are presenting the most civil, reasoned arguments. I suppose one could argue that because most use android smartphones, they aren't as personally invested as the people here and so can afford to be more emotionally detached, but it does make me wonder if the Apple users here are perhaps being too agitated and upset over this matter to consider and accept alternative viewpoints?

I agree that it’s upsetting the way this has happened (and that it even had to happen in the first place), but I still believe that there is more to this “scandal”. I would like to hope that it was always intended as a legitimate engineering response to customer complaints, rather than because Apple is an evil corporation.

In short, the engineers were presented with a technical problem, and so they solved it in the most direct and efficient manner they knew how to. Maybe in the process, they got too aggressive with the implementation because they wanted to solve all battery-related shutdowns, so they chose a value which was very high, but otherwise, I see no evidence of foul play.

Their oversight was not considering how the public might react to having their phone performance throttled, and in not communicating the nature of this "fix" to the public earlier. Regrettable, but not a crime worth throwing anyone under the bus over.

Asking for blood makes no sense.

Anyway, now I lol for kicking Forstall because of AppleMaps. How many employees should be kicked now? Where is the plublic excuse directed to customers? If they try to excuse months or weeks later, this won’t be an acceptable excuse at all.
I don't think anyone will be fired.

Scott Forstall was asked to go not only because of Maps, but because he had problems getting along with everyone else. The circumstances then and now are quite different.
 
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Did Apple inform the "genius" personnel at their stores of the throttling algorithm they implemented? It would appear that they did not, as if they had, the store personnel would almost certainly have suggested battery replacement, rather than phone replacement, if the slow phones were of the models affected. If the geniuses DID know about this, there is no excuse for suggesting a new phone at the outset. That would merit a valid lawsuit.

afaik, it seems the geniuses did not know, even the software used by them to test battery wear level in Apple stores seems to have been altered in a certain way, at least not warning them when reaching the supposed throttling level .. which might explain why many users have been denied a due battery replacement even with cash being offered paid upfront

this seems to have been a decision taken at upper management level with not many being informed ..

don't blame the geniuses
 
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This reminds me of Jobs' cocksure "you're holding it wrong" attitude at first with antennagate, which then changed to "but but but they all do it" and a giveaway of cases and bumpers.

Steve had his quirks. We all know them. Tim is just plain hypocritical. He needs to focus on Apple producing devices with innovation and value. Not doing everything possible to be the first $1 Trillion Dollar US Company. Including this chapter. It's a sad day. :apple:
 
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Now that this has reached supermarket tabloid audience dimensions, we need yet a new Apple techno-scandal moniker:

Litigate-gate.
 
In short, the engineers were presented with a technical problem, and so they solved it in the most direct and efficient manner they knew how to. Maybe in the process, they got too aggressive with the implementation because they wanted to solve all battery-related shutdowns, so they chose a value which was very high, but otherwise, I see no evidence of foul play.

Their oversight was not considering how the public might react to having their phone performance throttled, and in not communicating the nature of this "fix" to the public earlier. Regrettable, but not a crime worth throwing anyone under the bus over.

Why on earth are you giving Apple the benefit of the doubt? After being presented with all of this FACTUAL information about a very shady thing Apple is doing, you seriously think that people should listen to you when you say "I'm sure Apple only had the BEST intentions"? I mean... no offense, but that is absolutely hilarious.
 
my issue with Apple is not being able to roll back the OS to previous version.

Yeah this is something I wish apple would implement. The iPhone should be allowed to roll back to its factory OS when it was first produced.
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Why on earth are you giving Apple the benefit of the doubt? After being presented with all of this FACTUAL information about a very shady thing Apple is doing, you seriously think that people should listen to you when you say "I'm sure Apple only had the BEST intentions"? I mean... no offense, but that is absolutely hilarious.

Anyone defending this foolery is a joke. Apple lied and and got caught. Then they tried to give some lame ass excuse about it being a fetaure. It is extremely insulting that Apple thinks their customers are so stupid to believe that.

I hope Apple gets taken to the cleaners in this lawsuit.
 
Why on earth are you giving Apple the benefit of the doubt? After being presented with all of this FACTUAL information about a very shady thing Apple is doing, you seriously think that people should listen to you when you say "I'm sure Apple only had the BEST intentions"? I mean... no offense, but that is absolutely hilarious.
Why shouldn’t I?

The only fact we have is that Apple applied a patch which throttled our phones, but otherwise, there is no indication of their motives. It doesn’t help that there is just enough truth in this matter to continue fuelling the popular conspiracy theory that Apple deliberately slows down your devices to force users to upgrade.

I get that many people are unhappy with the way Tim Cook is running Apple and see this as more evidence of his penny-pinching ways, but
as it stands now, Apple still has enough goodwill invested in me that I am willing to give them the benefit of a doubt. What will be more important moving forward is how Apple responds to this.

I can wait.
 

Oh...Tim!
I believe Apple should have open from the start about the power management (even though it is common sense) to give the consumer a choice in deciding. However, the consumer is also to blame because they keep wanting more from a phone, bigger screens, multitasking, thinner phones, faster software with greater option of features, so a greater demand on the battery wholever make the device.

So consumers are to blame for wanting all these new features etc. and poor Apple weren't able to meet these expectations but we're forced to release these devices anyway.
Unbelievable!!!!
 
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How about not putting a software update nag message that cant be avoided and forcing users to upgrade to a degrading performance operating environment for their phone or allowing users to downgrade their f'n iOS if they experience degraded performance. Its just that simples.
 
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Interesting isn't it? We've 3 iPhone 6S models in the family, all purchased at the same time and all started exhibiting the shutdown issue at the same time. They were covered by the battery replacement programme but it does make me wonder if there's an issue with the battery design for all devices that Apple doesn't want to admit as it'd be liable to replace all the batteries in 6S and 7 generation phones as both now seem affected.
Yeah I think this was a dirty underhanded way of getting out of replacing batteries for the 6S , 7 , and maybe 8 series of iPhones.

It's time for 60 minutes or CNN to do an exposee on this.
 
I used the app Battery Life and it tells me that my year old iPhone 7 has lost 3% of it's total capacity. Surely they won't need to throttle the phone until it gets closer to a 20% capacity loss? Any one know what the start point is?
 
As I said before... I think you’ll find consumer protection groups and Government agencies will be looking into this behaviour very very very closely.... outside the US I think Apple will find itself in big trouble with regulators and be fined heavily for mis-selling and mis-leading consumers..

This time of year should be named the 12 days of pathetic excuses from Apple and Apple apologists!!

In Norway, the consumer authorities have come out with a statement:

"All products are getting worse over time, as usual usage corroses the components. When the manufacturer actively enters the operating system and makes changes in performance, this is something we think the consumer should get information about before it happens"

The consumer should also be able to opt out of the update which results in a poorer performance.
Some consumers may also be entitled to a new battery that ensures that the performance is as you have paid for"


In Norway, the consumer rights are strong, you are entitled to free repair for 5 years on electronics, and a battery should last for 2-3 years.
When Apple pays 0.005% tax in the EU due to tax havens, I think the authorities will be merciless in this matter. That is the drawback of being a cynical company that does not want to contribute anything to society, you have no friends among the government and they will punish you hard when they can.
 
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How about not putting a software update nag message that cant be avoided and forcing users to upgrade to a degrading performance operating environment for their phone or allowing users to downgrade their f'n iOS if they experience degraded performance. Its just that simples.
Yep, that is the ultimate in Annoyware and part of why Apple should be roasted for this . I have iOS 11 on my iPhone 8 and can't stand the new podcasts app.
Who approves this crap?
 
Im trying to pay Apple to replace my son 6s battery. I keep getting told its fine NO ITS NOT FINE.

I really love my ipad, iphone, and apple watch. My kids both have iphones. My ex shares our apple family plan with her iphone and apple watch. That is a lot of customers to walk away over this mess apple created. We are invested in the Apple Eco system, and really dont want to start over, but this is not the Apple that yells about morality and equality, this is the money grubbing Apple that cares only about profit(not wrong). The shady Apple. Dont cry when you got caught red handed
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Are Android OEM throttling their phones that are only a year old. Apple is.
Does Android not updating cripple you r phone? No

If your phone is susceptible to particularly nasty malware, for which a resolution exists, but you are denied it by not getting an update... Then yes, "Android" not updating effectively cripples your phone. Or makes it very dangerous to actually use.
 
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I agree with Apple. Here's why:

Every device needs power management. Most devices have power management. Balancing performance with battery life will continue to be a problem until we develop new battery technology. Until then, I'd rather have lower performance while my battery is low than force itself to run at full speed, thus creating all sorts of problems. My laptop does this, my desktop does this, and my phone does this.

This lawsuit is nothing more than a cheap cash-grab by clueless consumers without any technological knowledge, experience, or even patience. But you know the old American adage: "If you can't fix it, sue someone."
 
I agree with Apple. Here's why:

Every device needs power management. Most devices have power management. Balancing performance with battery life will continue to be a problem until we develop new battery technology. Until then, I'd rather have lower performance while my battery is low than force itself to run at full speed, thus creating all sorts of problems. My laptop does this, my desktop does this, and my phone does this.

This lawsuit is nothing more than a cheap cash-grab by clueless consumers without any technological knowledge, experience, or even patience. But you know the old American adage: "If you can't fix it, sue someone."

I'd almost agree with you ... almost.

Because you, an Apple by the way, omitted the concept of CHOICE

power management is fine with me

choice management ain't

and no, your laptop does not do it the same way ... please no more comparisons ... they're causing me headaches
 
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I agree with Apple. Here's why:

Every device needs power management. Most devices have power management. Balancing performance with battery life will continue to be a problem until we develop new battery technology. Until then, I'd rather have lower performance while my battery is low than force itself to run at full speed, thus creating all sorts of problems. My laptop does this, my desktop does this, and my phone does this.

This lawsuit is nothing more than a cheap cash-grab by clueless consumers without any technological knowledge, experience, or even patience. But you know the old American adage: "If you can't fix it, sue someone."

They just needed to be more transparent with it. Also, people were complaining about Apple "crippling old phones with updates" long before they implemented this power management. Because new features are supposed to run on old processors as well as they do on new ones :rolleyes:
 
Why people expecting 4 year old iPhones will work smooth and fast with the latest iOS? let alone expecting old battery to work like new one??

With or without Apple “treatment” this is the nature of any old devices n’ batteries. If someone would like to keep their phones for many years to come, they shouldn't update to the latest iOS version whenever they coming out and replace the battery every second year.

PS, at least Apple supporting old phones for few years unlike some Android phones...

Wrong sucka! iPhone 6 was released in September of 2014. Barely over 3 years old. iOS10 was smooth. 11 is making it lag, even opening built-in Apple apps. And I just replaced my battery, so can’t use that argument.
 
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