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Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I agree with you (assuming you aren’t).

Throttling saved millions of users from random shutdowns, but the OS not disclosing it to users cost the company dearly in terms of goodwill.

The strong prevalence of such cynical theories are exactly why transparency and communication is key. All the moreso for Apple these days.

Apple saved millions of users from random shutdown? Shutdowns on iPhone 7s or iPhone 6s, which are just over a year old? How nice of them. But since you are obviously avoiding some arguments in this discussions because it would deflect from your self painted Good-Guys-Apple World too much and are trying overly hard to be obtuse, I repost again the following, since you avoided/ignored it the last time:

I come back to the what is done is done part: Apple has been designing and engineering mobile devices for decades now. Lithium battery technology has a few years under is belt, too. One has to assume gross incompetence (if not malicious intent) on Apple's side to design a device that throttling would be required only after months or just over a year of usage. Battery quality (density, capacity, degradation) are pretty much know factors. Apple is not new to this game.

But still, giving the benefit of a doubt: now to assume more incompetence or oversight when Apple's engineering department implementing a hot fix, realising that the batteries are degrading quicker than anyone thought without informing the Geniuses for a long period (someone mentioned over a year), is not exactly painting a confidence inspiring light on Apple.
 
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Because it actually is that fast. If you had two new devices with new batteries, they would reflect the ‘X times faster’.


Are you implying Apple advertises these speeds on keynotes using data from throttled models? Please stop trolling.

I am done conversing with you because its apparent you just want to argue and twist things.
 
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So. To summarise:

  • Some (not all) iPhones animate their UI much slower than they used to when new
  • Apple said about a bug fix: "Last year we released a feature to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent" ... hardware crashes essentially, possibly even data corruption
  • That bug fix was not released for the iPhone 5s and older, so has nothing to do with slow behavior on those devices
  • A couple benchmarks apps display a possibly made-up CPU frequency number, and people who know nothing about performance analysis assume that the reported clock frequency numbers are directly related to slow UI behavior
  • Random clueless journalists put 1+1=7 together, and claim that Apple is clock throttling all devices, and that that throttling is affecting all old iPhone's UI speed, and is also being done with the explicit purpose of slowing them down for marketing reasons (not due to, say, adding new generally desired features, or bug fixes, etc.)
  • People are surprised that batteries change over time in multiple dimensions, and that modern power management hardware reacts to those changes
  • Some lawyer dupes a user into filing a lawsuit that will go nowhere (except earning the law firm big fees)
  • Pandemonium reigns

Eventually someone will figure out the real cause(s) of slow downs (which may or may not be related to the "smooth out" effect that Apple relates to their bug fix). And Apple's reputation and market share will be affected about as much as from antenna-gate.
 
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Constant crashes are just as crazy and intolerable as "blind" fixes concealing whether these existed in the first place.

You didn't answer my question.

IMO apple fixed a problem that was going to happen either way before anyone asked for it to be fixed. They could've or should've notified the user of what was going to happen that way they could complain about something else.

Since this is actually a potential issue for any product that relies on batteries I'm curious about the discussions taking place at other companies who are aware of this issue with their own phones.
 
Most of us here love Apple products. This whole revelation hit us like a brick and has everyone I know worried. We all want answers. I'm not sure we will ever know but Apple has to realize they need to earn back our trust. I have bought many products from them over the years and will likely continue, but Apple needs to give us answers and correct this situation somehow. I can't keep investing until they rectify this.

I don't expect anything free from Apple and I have taken measures to stop all updates until further notice on my iPhone 8. However I own a 6s that I am having issues with prior to all this mess that started sometime in iOS 10...now I'm afraid to update it even further. I'd like to pass this down to my sister at some point.

Apples greatest losses in all this is trust from some of their customers and their reputation. You can't put a dollar amount on that.

I highly doubt these lawsuits go anywhere but IF we get anything out of this I hope that Apple reverses what they did somehow and never tries anything like this again. As to Apples motives ..who knows. If they fix this mess I really don't care either.

They don't need to give me a free battery but allowing me to get it replaced for the $79 fee is the least they can do. I do not want to get it replaced in one of those cheap repair centers we have locally in my area.

Anyway I hope I made myself clearer. :)
I am done conversing with you because its apparent you just want to argue and twist things.

Look at that story up there, I’m not the one twisting things. At least I’m not painting pictures of betrayal and ‘earning trust back’.


The reality is all decent electronics that run on batteries, including Tesla, Apple, Google - all ‘throttle’ preformance to prevent a shutdown. It isn’t the ‘scheme’ that you painted it to be.


Snap back to reality oh there goes gravity.
 
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Really, that's what you're going with? A phone still needs to be charge.
Buy a good kitchen knife and during your life

Find those release notes yet?
Yeah, knives need to be sharpened, even the best ones. I have a $300 German knife and a $500 Japanese kitchen knife and I Pay $50/yr to sharpen them.
 
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How can I join the suit? This un unacceptable! Bad Apple! it should be an option to slow down or option to upgrade battery at a cost.
 
We should be referring to this disaster as the Tim Cook iPhone Battery Scandal, or TCiBS.

The TCiBS will be forever remembered as one of the greatest examples of corporate mismanagement and fraud. We are witnessing history, folks.
 
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Why do people on here with iPhone 4S and a battery that’s 50% degraded still have full speed?

Looks like this wasn’t an issue before the iPhone 6, and all previous iPhones also used batteries.

Bingo.

This was probably Apple own way to protect themselves on IPhone 6 and 6s poor batteries.

To think Apple will care about customer experience over their bottom line is a myth.
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Look at that story up there, I’m not the one twisting things. At least I’m not painting pictures of betrayal and ‘earning trust back’.


The reality is all decent electronics that run on batteries, including Tesla, Apple, Google - all ‘throttle’ preformance to prevent a shutdown. It isn’t the ‘scheme’ that you painted it to be.


Snap back to reality oh there goes gravity.
Look at that story up there, I’m not the one twisting things. At least I’m not painting pictures of betrayal and ‘earning trust back’.


The reality is all decent electronics that run on batteries, including Tesla, Apple, Google - all ‘throttle’ preformance to prevent a shutdown. It isn’t the ‘scheme’ that you painted it to be.


Snap back to reality oh there goes gravity.

Obviously you have zero clue on what you are talking about.

Tesla throttle your charge rate to protect the battery degradation. It’s totally different from what Apple is doing.

Get a clue.

I know how Apple inside works. So don’t tell me this is about customer experience. It’s always about the bottom line. I am glad I witness the explosive growth while within. But to think that Apple is a saint you really need to get a clue.
 
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And you don't think there is also a major benefit in selling new iPhones vrs people buying a replacement battery ? Really ? Okay....

Okay - second part , regime.... what? How did you come to that conclusion from my statement about internal or external battery .

I was actually responding with the regime part to the first quote and both of you with the design part. And you don’t have to buy a new iPhone when the battery dies. -_-
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Bingo.

This was probably Apple own way to protect themselves on IPhone 6 and 6s poor batteries.

To think Apple will care about customer experience over their bottom line is a myth.
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Obviously you have zero clue on what you are talking about.

Tesla throttle your charge rate to protect the battery degradation. It’s totally different from what Apple is doing.

Get a clue.

I know how Apple inside works. So don’t tell me this is about customer experience. It’s always about the bottom line. I am glad I witness the explosive growth while within. But to think that Apple is a saint you really need to get a clue.

What was your job title within apple?
 
We should be referring to this disaster as the Tim Cook iPhone Battery Scandal, or TCiBS.

The TCiBS will be forever remembered as one of the greatest examples of corporate mismanagement and fraud. We are witnessing history, folks.

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I was actually responding with the regime part to the first quote and both of you with the design part. And you don’t have to buy a new iPhone when the battery dies. -_-
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What was your job title within apple?

M3 when I left. Pretty much good people left between 2010 and 2011. Couple of my colleague are now VP and D1 from PD side.

Do I need to say more?

Tim and Steve are totally different in their approach. Old Apple people will tell you so.
 
Apple doesn't need any lawyers with this one.

They have their true loyal fanbase who will do everything (and I mean everything) to defend the corp. behind Apple.
Downplaying the battery subject (or any negative news for the company) will also be done by this true loyal fanbase.

And the good thing is: it won't cost Apple anything, this true loyal fanbase will do all of this free of charge!!

so a win-win situation for Apple there! ;)
 
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from now on I will only upgrade updates within the same version the phone came with.for example on iPhone X all updates within iOS 11 but won't update to 12.
I simply won't trust Apple and I have no doubt that planned obsolescence exists.
I definitely noticed strange and major slowdown and more lag when High Sierra crippled my (still recent and very expensive) 2016 12" MacBook..it's noticeably slower and I was considering downgrade..and then came this iOS news.
It's a real mess.
 
from now on I will only upgrade updates within the same version the phone came with.for example on iPhone X all updates within iOS 11 but won't update to 12.
I simply won't trust Apple and I have no doubt that planned obsolescence exists.
I definitely noticed strange and major slowdown and more lag when High Sierra crippled my (still recent and very expensive) 2016 12" MacBook..it's noticeably slower and I was considering downgrade..and then came this iOS news.
It's a real mess.

It's not OS related, it is battery related. Your iPhone will still slow down within the same OS version if the battery is degraded.
 
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Don’t be so cofident. This has long legs. Very long legs. :apple:

In all honesty, it’s really been a rough week for the company and this feels like it’s a bigger deal than scandals of the past.

My hope: it blows over. My fear: this is going to get way worse and will do some permanent damage to iPhone sales and Apple in general.

I would be lying if I said I am not incredibly concerned at this point in time, but my fingers remained crossed.

Still waiting for Apple’s response to all this. Assuming they are going to respond and not just act as though nothing has happened.
 
It's not OS related, it is battery related. Your iPhone will still slow down within the same OS version if the battery is degraded.

Ya, somethings amiss here. The suit is claiming Apple is slowing down older iPhones that are throttled 'when new models are produced', whereas Apple is responding saying literally 'we deployed one update last year to all our iPhone models to address performance vs battery life that is now a standard feature of the OS moving forward'.

Coincidence?
 
Ya, somethings amiss here. The suit is claiming Apple is slowing down iPhones 'when new models are produced', whereas Apple is responding saying literally 'we deployed one update last year to all our iPhone models to address performance vs battery life that is now a standard feature of the OS moving forward'.

That's two totally different things. What gives?

Because they did this to the iPhone 6, 6S, and SE with iOS 10.2.1. They started doing it to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2. So they aren't doing it as the devices release, but over a year after the point of purchase for anyone who buys at release.

They said they will introduce it to new devices in the future. It would be one thing if the devices were being throttled when they were sold, but they're introducing lines of code to slow down devices via software update. They said they plan to introduce lines of code to throttle performance on iPhone 8 & X in the future. People would likely be less up in arms if iOS was built to do this out of the gate, but as it stands, you buy a device and a year later Apple issues an update to slow it down once your battery ***** a brick.

Where I think its dodgy is that they are doing this over a year after the devices have gone on sale, so when your device suddenly slows down, it isn't something covered by your 1-year limited warranty in the US so good luck going to see the Genius Bar (not that battery degrading is covered under that anyway).
 
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Look at that story up there, I’m not the one twisting things. At least I’m not painting pictures of betrayal and ‘earning trust back’.


The reality is all decent electronics that run on batteries, including Tesla, Apple, Google - all ‘throttle’ preformance to prevent a shutdown. It isn’t the ‘scheme’ that you painted it to be.


Snap back to reality oh there goes gravity.
I was playing a game today on a plane and surely enough it started lagging at one point. When i closed the game to see the battery level it was at 28%. Brand new battery with 21 cycles. Anyone who has passed a 12th grade physics exam knows why this happens. Apparently not many people did pass.
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Because they did this to the iPhone 6, 6S, and SE with iOS 10.2.1. They started doing it to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2. So they aren't doing it as the devices release, but over a year after the point of purchase for anyone who buys at release.

They said they will introduce it to new devices in the future. It would be one thing if the devices were being throttled when they were sold, but they're introducing lines of code to slow down devices via software update. They said they plan to introduce lines of code to throttle performance on iPhone 8 & X in the future. People would likely be less up in arms if iOS was built to do this out of the gate, but as it stands, you buy a device and a year later Apple issues an update to slow it down once your battery ***** a brick.

Where I think its dodgy is that they are doing this over a year after the devices have gone on sale, so when your device suddenly slows down, it isn't something covered by your 1-year limited warranty in the US so good luck going to see the Genius Bar (not that battery degrading is covered under that anyway).
Except 6/S/Plus do not slow down by default based on their purchase date. That would be evil and wrong. Software measures are only used if it is determined to be a bad degrading battery. My mother is still using my old 4.7" iPhone 6 and it is also fine (geekbench) just as my 6S Plus is and my brothers 13 month old 7 Plus.
 
Because they did this to the iPhone 6, 6S, and SE with iOS 10.2.1. They started doing it to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2. So they aren't doing it as the devices release, but over a year after the point of purchase for anyone who buys at release.

They said they will introduce it to new devices in the future. It would be one thing if the devices were being throttled when they were sold, but they're introducing lines of code to slow down devices via software update. They said they plan to introduce lines of code to throttle performance on iPhone 8 & X in the future. People would likely be less up in arms if iOS was built to do this out of the gate, but as it stands, you buy a device and a year later Apple issues an update to slow it down once your battery ***** a brick.

Where I think its dodgy is that they are doing this over a year after the devices have gone on sale, so when your device suddenly slows down, it isn't something covered by your 1-year limited warranty in the US so good luck going to see the Genius Bar (not that battery degrading is covered under that anyway).

You read it that way. I read it like “we are figuring out how to make this system work with newer phones to check for battery degradation”.
 
Because they did this to the iPhone 6, 6S, and SE with iOS 10.2.1. They started doing it to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2. So they aren't doing it as the devices release, but over a year after the point of purchase for anyone who buys at release.

They said they will introduce it to new devices in the future. It would be one thing if the devices were being throttled when they were sold, but they're introducing lines of code to slow down devices via software update. They said they plan to introduce lines of code to throttle performance on iPhone 8 & X in the future. People would likely be less up in arms if iOS was built to do this out of the gate, but as it stands, you buy a device and a year later Apple issues an update to slow it down once your battery ***** a brick.

Where I think its dodgy is that they are doing this over a year after the devices have gone on sale, so when your device suddenly slows down, it isn't something covered by your 1-year limited warranty in the US so good luck going to see the Genius Bar (not that battery degrading is covered under that anyway).

I can understand the technical reasoning behind this. But not the decision that was made.

iPhone 6/6s had battery issues from launch.

A proper way would be to launch a campaign and notify the user that they can replace the battery at discount or at cost. Not doing it behind customers back.
 
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