I’m personally not against what Apple is doing (though they should have been more upfront about it). Again, I was simply explaining why it looks bad and why people are Chicken Little-ing over it. Like I said, I had a 6S that was randomly shutting down before 10.2.1. It was a horrible experience. I would personally rather have the processor temporarily slow down than have the phone shut itself off with ~40% battery left while I’m listening to music while walking home from work.
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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I’m personally not against what Apple is doing (though they should have been more upfront about it). Again, I was simply explaining why it looks bad and why people are Chicken Little-ing over it. Like I said, I had a 6S that was randomly shutting down before 10.2.1. It was a horrible experience. I would personally rather have the processor temporarily slow down than have the phone shut itself off with ~40% battery left while I’m listening to music while walking home from work.
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I dot think you understand this topic.
Complete respect.
Personally, I think Apple has been clear about the limits of performance (through its upgrade program), so I don't think it needs to spell everything out, just as Google doesn't spell out how it is going to use your data or Microsoft doesn't put a health warning on its products saying that they are likely (certainly in my case) to cause grief and rage.
In this case, the plaintiffs are going to have to show that Apple's actions were universally detrimental to all users. Given there are people saying they're happy with the action (but not how it was communicated), I think the plaintiffs are going to have a tough time putting forward a winning case.
I also think that this is largely based on empirical number crunching, rather than a groundswell of people holding up phones that they weren't happy with and demanding action. That makes it look like exploitation on the part of the plaintiffs, rather than a case based on real-world experience.
IMO, this is a squall, not a storm.
I have an iPhone 5s, and my girlfriend just bought a second hand iPhone SE a few weeks ago.
I told her from the beginning that she should also get a 5s, no need for the SE (except if she really needs 12mp images) and she could save almost £100. Yet, she insisted that it's more future proof as the speed score is double, so she went for grade-a used SE.
After hearing about this Apple scam, we downloaded geekbench to see if it is true.
1) we just found out that her SE is throttled down to almost the same speed as my 5s. Her SE scored around 2300 geekbench multicore score, while 5s is at 2100. The SE should be around 4000-4100.. briliant. Now we need to spend another £80-90 to get her a new battery. After this scam, by principle, we will not do the battery replacement with apple.
2) my 5s has no issues whatsoever regarding the battery. It is not shutting down suddenly, yet the battery is not new at all. Apple's explanation as to why they HAD TO implement this "feature" is total ********.
APPLE HAS LOST OUR TRUST COMPLETLY
I told her from the beginning that she should also get a 5s, no need for the SE (except if she really needs 12mp images) and she could save almost £100. Yet, she insisted that it's more future proof as the speed score is double, so she went for grade-a used SE.
After hearing about this Apple scam, we downloaded geekbench to see if it is true.
1) we just found out that her SE is throttled down to almost the same speed as my 5s. Her SE scored around 2300 geekbench multicore score, while 5s is at 2100. The SE should be around 4000-4100.. briliant. Now we need to spend another £80-90 to get her a new battery. After this scam, by principle, we will not do the battery replacement with apple.
2) my 5s has no issues whatsoever regarding the battery. It is not shutting down suddenly, yet the battery is not new at all. Apple's explanation as to why they HAD TO implement this "feature" is total ********.
APPLE HAS LOST OUR TRUST COMPLETLY
The answer to these questions:
Other companies would have blown away narcist Board ego's where necessary, don't get sued, and spend their time mounting 5300mAh batteries, like Xiaomi.
I'll tell you what I'd like to see.
And should be made a legal requirement for all phone makers.
Get them to have to show a chart of performance / battery life.
Anyone (Apple) who fitted smaller capacity batteries, as Apple generally do, would come out looking bad.
Due to the smaller battery. YES, when brand new, it performs like a champ, but after X weeks/Months it starts dropping off fast.
Then another brand who fits a larger battery, can then show, due to this, their product continues to run at top performance for much longer.
This really is VERY important. Apple's. Just good enough battery size, would get changed, which every Apple lover should be super pleased about.
It seems like as long as a Battery lasts long enough to get past the early review times then that will be good enough.
No review site will be bothered testing out 1 year old iPhones.
God it's terrible how Apple now has products that are pretty much only "really good" for 1 year, if even that.
For such a rich company they are such cheapskates when it comes to components. It's a shame.
And should be made a legal requirement for all phone makers.
Get them to have to show a chart of performance / battery life.
Anyone (Apple) who fitted smaller capacity batteries, as Apple generally do, would come out looking bad.
Due to the smaller battery. YES, when brand new, it performs like a champ, but after X weeks/Months it starts dropping off fast.
Then another brand who fits a larger battery, can then show, due to this, their product continues to run at top performance for much longer.
This really is VERY important. Apple's. Just good enough battery size, would get changed, which every Apple lover should be super pleased about.
It seems like as long as a Battery lasts long enough to get past the early review times then that will be good enough.
No review site will be bothered testing out 1 year old iPhones.
God it's terrible how Apple now has products that are pretty much only "really good" for 1 year, if even that.
For such a rich company they are such cheapskates when it comes to components. It's a shame.
Used phone means degraded battery. Buy a new one on eBay for 10$. Replace it yourself.
Has anyone ever read them? FYI , this move by apple is not made clear in T&Cs
T&Cs are about as useful as tax laws to apple....
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Agreed. The focus is to upgrade you each year. While marketing claims times X performance from last years model.... it all seems to vanish when new phones ship.
Do you have the data for the current battery health of your 5s vs the se and are they both on the version of IOS?
you know, owning a SE myself (which seems not to be throttled) I was wondering ..
IF, as we suspect, there is a correlation between thin phone (and battery) design and power hungry cpus and of course certain ios "features" that take care of bringing cpu peak power consumption down to what an underpowered, somewhat aged battery still can deliver ..
then WHY is it that the SE is being affected? having the same identical design as the iphone 5s, I would not expect any problems with the battery design .. I know it has been included to be covered this beloved throttling feature by an ios update, while the 5s seems not to have been included from what I have read
Is it that throttling would bring an already struggling 5s to its knees when operating the latest ios version and this is the reason it has been excluded?
Is it that the SE's battery itself has been redesigned in a certain way?
Is it that the SE (5s) battery was to weak for the A9 to begin with (circumstance which I would not expect, as newer manufacturing processes normally lead to less power consumption, less heat, not more)?
Any ideas regarding the SE anybody?
Happy xmas btw
I don't know where you get the idea there's a correlation between thickness and cpu throttling. The cpu will be throttled if the battery health is lower than a limit Apple set in software. E.g. the battery is degraded and now can hold only 60% of the original capacity when fully charged, CPU is throttled down to prevent sudden shut off. Yet we still have to find out what the limit is. Everybody with such issue should check: battery health + cpu clock and post results.
Apple is doing this in order to prevent "sudden shut off", but when my battery load is at 90%, it cannot suddenly shut off, so why slowing down the device before it reaches let say 20% ??
well I suspect this, because in the past (pre iphone 6 era), battery problems do not seem to have been an issue
people complained about their phones being slow on some of the latest supported ios versions, but not about failing batteries (sudden shutdowns, crazy behaviour regarding the percentages ..)
battery problems seem to have started with the iphone 6
Because the battery load is not part of the equation. A battery which is degraded to say 50% when fully charged will hold half of the original capacity. E.g. original 1560mah degraded to 50% 780mah ... hence the throttling.
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I don't know what you are thinking. The situation here is caused by an if statement in software.
e.g. (pseudo)
var x = pullBatteryHealth();
var y = maxCpuClock();
if (x <= 70){ setCpuClock(0.33*y)}
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I am thinking:
why is this necessary seemingly starting with a certain (redesigned) iphone generation?
why was this seemingly not necessary in the past?
what has changed to require this feature?
Why is the SE included while the 5s having the same design is not?
or has this feature been there all along?
OK, txs. Personally I would prefer to keep full performance until I reach 20%. And when it becomes no longer acceptable, just change the battery.
Who tells it starts with a certain iphone generation? For what we know every phone that can install at least iOS 10.2.1 can be affected if the battery is degraded over a certain limit. In the past they just didn't implement it in software, they came out with this "solution" now. The aim of it can be debated.
one more question:
why does Apple not allow certain users have their batteries replaced with phones being already affected by throttling?
apple does:
Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We've now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future.
reach 20% of what? You are mixing battery charge with battery health.
I don't know however everyone can change the battery by himself, just buy a new one on ifixit and follow the tutorial. It's a 5 / 10 minute job.
Ok so "other products" are in there too (and who knows what they are hiding btw). The only way to tell is check your battery health and cpu clock.
program to check battery: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lirum-device-info-lite/id591660734?mt=8
(don't rely on lirum for cpu clock, it just tells the max cpu clock by design not actual clock).
program to check cpu clock ios 10: https://itunes.apple.com/it/app/cpu-dasher64/id884513234?mt=8
program to check cpu clock ios 11: https://itunes.apple.com/it/app/cpu-dasherx/id1168527539?mt=8