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You use android? You don't say.

this changes nothing however. Some people just can't draw a conclusion based on what they've seen.

I use both, switching back and forth because it’s hard to stick with only one phone. Seriously. Google has a lot of amazing software prowess but lacks a hardware ecosystem when compared to Apple.

Also, I’ve drawn a conclusion based on what I’ve seen and the research I’ve done. The big difference is that I’m more likely to trust what’s said as the reason because I know putting my own other reason on it is likely to just waste my time and frustrate me.

You guys could be right. Apple could be doing this maliciously to try to make people buy new phones. It could also be poor phone design. But I’d like to believe the best about all companies involved. If not, I might as well go get a flip phone and call it a day.
 
You use android? You don't say.

this changes nothing however. Some people just can't draw a conclusion based on what they've seen.

This is very true, and it's modern marketing's effect at it's best. No research, taking poor advice in consideration and comparing oranges to apples.

Your phone is a consumer device, it will fail or become obsolete sooner or later. At least Apple is supporting their phones for 5 years, which I cannot say this about any other smartphone manufacturers which have similar priced flagships.
 
This is very true, and it's modern marketing's effect at it's best. No research, taking poor advice in consideration and comparing oranges to apples.

Your phone is a consumer device, it will fail or become obsolete sooner or later. At least Apple is supporting their phones for 5 years, which I cannot say this about any other smartphone manufacturers which have similar priced flagships.

Let’s be real, though. It’d probably be better if Apple didn’t push updates so long. It sounds great, but the software is becoming more bloated and the phone is usually really slow at year five.
 
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Let’s be real, though. It’d probably be better if Apple didn’t push updates so long. It sounds great, but the software is becoming more bloated and the phone is usually really slow at year five.
Bruh, some support is better than none. I’ve been on the android side...awful.
 
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Bruh, some support is better than none. I’ve been on the android side...awful.

I’ve been on the Android side as well. I have both a Pixel 2XL and an iPhone X. I’ve had a Galaxy s6 and an HTC 10. I much prefer the Pixel way. Three years is enough to get a good amount out of your purchase AND it isn’t like you need full OS updates for some of the things you need them on iOS anyway.

Really wish iOS would just make the OS smaller and put those default apps in the store and update through the store.
 
Let’s be real, though. It’d probably be better if Apple didn’t push updates so long. It sounds great, but the software is becoming more bloated and the phone is usually really slow at year five.

You are absolutely right, but i've serviced older phones that were more than capable of running the lastest OS decent and smoothly.
We can actually disable a lot of features that can make an old device run better, which I cannot say this about their competition. And these updates come with security patches.
 
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On my opinion, Apple uses a software "feature" to cover up a hardware design issue. Based on Apple's suggestion, an iPhone might last for 3 years. So my understanding is the battery should work well for 2 years at least (1 year warranty + 1 Apple Care). But the batteries on iPhone start to fail after only 1 year. This means Apple provides so small margin for the battery design.
 
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You are absolutely right, but i've serviced older phones that were
more than capable of running the lastest OS decent and smoothly.
We can actually disable a lot
of features that can make an old device run better, which I cannot say this about their competition. And these updates come with security patches.

Apple is having a hard time keeping the newest OS running well on the newest phone.
 
Apple is having a hard time keeping the newest OS running well on the newest phone.

Unfortunately, this is also true, haha. They must be really careful not to make the same mistakes as they did with their Mac line-up.
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On my opinion, Apple uses a software "feature" to cover up a hardware design issue. Based on Apple's suggestion, an iPhone might last for 3 years. So my understanding is the battery should work well for 2 years at least (1 year warranty + 1 Apple Care). But the batteries on iPhone start to fail after only 1 year. This means Apple provides so small margin for the battery design.

I have an old 5s which runs iOS 11 smoothly and has 92% battery health.
 
Unfortunately, this is also true, haha. They must be really careful not to make the same mistakes as they did with their Mac line-up.
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I have an old 5s which runs iOS 11 smoothly and has 92% battery health.

The battery of your 5s works well. But it doesn't mean the battery of iPhone6/6s/7 and later iPhones work for others
 
The battery of your 5s works well. But it doesn't mean the battery of iPhone6/6s/7 and later iPhones work for others

Haven't been using it a lot since I've upgraded anyway, I keep it as a backup device.

There's a broad range of users which have different approaches on charging their devices, some go as far as using cheap chargers/cables when they loose the ones that come in the box, so it's difficult to point out what exactly makes their batteries fail. One's thing for sure, though, Apple keeps their phones optimised directly proportional to the care that they've put in their purchase.
 
Let’s be real, though. It’d probably be better if Apple didn’t push updates so long. It sounds great, but the software is becoming more bloated and the phone is usually really slow at year five.
Let's really be real: Apple could have avoided this if it was an option. After "X" amount of years they popped up an option saying "hey I noticed your battery if over whatever years old, do you want to turn this slowing function on?"
 
Let's really be real: Apple could have avoided this if it was an option. After "X" amount of years they popped up an option saying "hey I noticed your battery if over whatever years old, do you want to turn this slowing function on?"

It's not about the battery's age, it's about it's wear, that can be possibly accelerated as I've stated above. I've seen a lot of devices that have been seeing over three years of usage and still hold their charge just fine, along with the phone's initial benchmark stats.
 
It's not about the battery's age, it's about it's wear, that can be possibly accelerated as I've stated above. I've seen a lot of devices that have been seeing over three years of usage and still hold their charge just fine, along with the phone's initial benchmark stats.
Doesn't mean they can't offer the option and give the user, who knows the history of the battery, the choice. That right there is the problem people thinking Apple knows more than the user.
 
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Let's really be real: Apple could have avoided this if it was an option. After "X" amount of years they popped up an option saying "hey I noticed your battery if over whatever years old, do you want to turn this slowing function on?"

I’m not actually referring to this issue. Five years of throwing more and more code at a processor is probably too long even if you replace the battery every two years.
 
From a developer's perspective, I understand the logic of applying these throttling measures but the way in which it was done is cause for concern. I'm not personally affected by this since my iPhone is brand new, but it's reasonable to expect Apple to add a toggle to iOS allowing users to disable the CPU throttling.

Another interesting approach might be to allow users to downgrade their device to the iOS that it originally shipped with (i.e SHSH signing of 7.0 for 5S, 8.0 for iP6 etc) in an attempt to quash the whole "planned obsolescence by forced, irreversible software updates" debate - however I think this is very unlikely since it would cause some degree of Android-esque OS fragmentation. Shame, though - it'd be cool to see iOS 4.3 running on my iPad 2 again, even if it wouldn't be of much use on a day-to-day basis :)
 
They need to lose, whatever the settlement is will be a drop in the bucket for them, even if it's worth several billion dollars.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...anding-an-insane-999-billi.html#disqus_thread

Latest lawsuit coming in at an insane 999 billion dollars.

If you somehow manage to come off as being way more greedy than the company you are suing, I say that you have pretty much lost all sympathy in my eyes and I hope the people suing Apple in this case lose, and lose horribly.
 
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Apple offers an upgrade program for year-old phones. It is implicit and pretty explicit that the phones need to be replaced after a year if a user wants to have a device that runs at full spec.

If users don't understand this, don't understand that batteries (and other components) degrade, and don't understand that performance will drop with or without a software update, they are being particularly obtuse ... but user stupidity isn't grounds for a case against Apple.

How about we all sue because the shoes we bought last year and wore all day, every day have worn down at the heels?

I can't believe some people think Apple did this on the sly without thinking it would ever be made known, given that there are millions of phones out there that people can test (exactly as they have done). Apple will have made sure it was on solid legal ground before releasing this feature. If it wasn't, Tim would already have gone by now.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. Storm in a teacup. The internet going mad. Lynch-mob mentality over something as trivial as a freaking battery and a few degrees of performance.
 
Apple offers an upgrade program for year-old phones. It is implicit and pretty explicit that the phones need to be replaced after a year if a user wants to have a device that runs at full spec.

If users don't understand this, don't understand that batteries (and other components) degrade, and don't understand that performance will drop with or without a software update, they are being particularly obtuse ... but user stupidity isn't grounds for a case against Apple.

How about we all sue because the shoes we bought last year and wore all day, every day have worn down at the heels?

I can't believe some people think Apple did this on the sly without thinking it would ever be made known, given that there are millions of phones out there that people can test (exactly as they have done). Apple will have made sure it was on solid legal ground before releasing this feature. If it wasn't, Tim would already have gone by now.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. Storm in a teacup. The internet going mad. Lynch-mob mentality over something as trivial as a freaking battery and a few degrees of performance.

Hmmmm how quickly we forget things like the VW emmisions scandal .... was that not blamed on engineers ? This will never , ever, get Tim fired !
 
Hmmmm how quickly we forget things like the VW emmisions scandal .... was that not blamed on engineers ? This will never , ever, get Tim fired !

Nor will any class action $ ever be paid out. It will be summarily dismissed as a frivolous law suit... which it is.
 
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